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Romney strikes rare notes of faith in Aurora speech
CNN ^ | July 20, 2012 | Eric Marrapodi and Halimah Abdullah

Posted on 07/20/2012 8:18:28 PM PDT by greyfoxx39

In a speech to a wounded nation, presidential hopeful Mitt Romney returned to his roots of faith in the face of a national tragedy.

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The Bible-laden references in Romney's speech also signal to evangelicals who worry about his Mormon faith that he is drawing from a familiar text.

"I think he's growing more comfortable and today's speech is further evidence of that, talking about his faith in the public arena," said Tony Perkins, the head of the Family Research Council.

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There are still undoubtedly theological tensions between Mormons and evangelicals that won't be resolved in the presidential campaign.

"Most of the evangelicals think Mormons are going to hell and they aren't Christians," said Clyde Wilcox, a political science professor at Georgetown University who co-wrote "Onward Christian Soldiers?: The Religious Right in American Politics." "What he's saying is there is a commonality of faith and shared values."

According to a Gallup Poll in June, bias against a Mormon presidential candidate hasn't budged in 45 years, with 18% of Americans saying they would not vote for a well-qualified candidate who was Mormon.

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"Moments like these call for our commander in chief to act as a theologian in chief, and Romney did that today," said Stephen Prothero, a religion professor at Boston University and the author of the American Bible.

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"The speech would be completely at home in a Mormon meeting and yet was carefully ecumenical," added Kristine Haglund, the editor of Dialogue.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Apologetics; Current Events; General Discusssion; Other Christian; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: faith; mormonism; politics; romney; romneyandgod; romneyauroraspeech
Why wouldn't Romney proselytize given this remarkable opportunity? That's the aim of the mormon church. There are mormon code words in his speech, like "comforter", "mourn with those who mourn"

Wasn't it an Obama staffer who said, "Never let a crisis go to waste?"

And before you start bashing me for my comments, IMO Mitt is an opportunist of the first order for choosing THIS event to covertly make it about his faith rather than about the victims.

1 posted on 07/20/2012 8:18:41 PM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: greyfoxx39

Mr. RomneyCARE was wrong.

THIS TERRORIST ACTION WAS NOT A TRAGEDY.

Like the Meadow Mountain Massacre and the 911 Attacks,
it was an atrocity.


2 posted on 07/20/2012 8:21:59 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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Ping


3 posted on 07/20/2012 8:22:17 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Jim Robinson re Romney: "He’s a cartoonish fraud. A caricature in progress." Dittos)
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To: greyfoxx39

Can you add me to that ping list? This sort of thread interests me as well.


4 posted on 07/20/2012 8:49:22 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: greyfoxx39
He was talking about the victims; but 'we' is a point of reference; without the 'rest of us'; the equation is empty.

Speaking of 'empty'; anyone hear the sounds of 'empty' as Obama, desperately tries to find a 'empathetic' tone; for his words? If you heard only the tone and cadence and only the 'sound' of the words he spoke; one could easily conclude; it was just another campaign speech.

Obama, trying to wax as a 'caring human'; trying to find authentic sympathy; is a 'study' to watch and weigh. . .

5 posted on 07/20/2012 8:49:39 PM PDT by cricket
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To: RaisingCain

Sure can, RC.


6 posted on 07/20/2012 8:51:50 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Jim Robinson re Romney: "He’s a cartoonish fraud. A caricature in progress." Dittos)
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To: greyfoxx39

How long until the names of the victims are submitted for baptism for the dead?


7 posted on 07/20/2012 8:57:17 PM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama.)
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To: cricket
This thread isn't about Obama's speech.

IMO Mitt's speech was just canned rhetoric that he's spoken thousands of times as member, bishop and stake president in the mormon church at funerals.

He most likely has a whole all purpose collection of phrases and catch words.

Let's not forget that Mitt served in the same role as pastor to his flocks.

8 posted on 07/20/2012 8:58:40 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Jim Robinson re Romney: "He’s a cartoonish fraud. A caricature in progress." Dittos)
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To: greyfoxx39

I for one am disgusted at the comments found here. I heard his remarks in passing and noted the tone and the presentation were for me entirely appropriate .


9 posted on 07/20/2012 9:01:33 PM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: greyfoxx39

“Most of the evangelicals think Mormons are going to hell and they aren’t Christians,” said Clyde Wilcox, a political science professor at Georgetown University who co-wrote “Onward Christian Soldiers?: The Religious Right in American Politics.” “What he’s saying is there is a commonality of faith and shared values.”

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That is because they aren’t Christians, we have NO COMMON GROUND faith wise or doctrinally.

Mormonism to Christianity as Hell is to Heaven. More propaganda from LDS, inc.


10 posted on 07/20/2012 9:02:11 PM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama.)
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To: greyfoxx39; All

As Romney so aptly shows, Mormons do believe the Bible to be corrupt, ‘not translated correctly’, full of errors and basically worthless, YET they will quote it when it furthers their goals.


11 posted on 07/20/2012 9:03:44 PM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama.)
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To: UB355

I love when the Romney Is So Icky!! Crowd pretends they disapprove of canned rhetoric....


12 posted on 07/20/2012 9:05:14 PM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: UB355; greyfoxx39

I heard his remarks in passing and noted the tone and the presentation were for me entirely appropriate .

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Of course it did, you aren’t fluent in “Mormonese”. Mormons use the same vocabulary but a different dictionary.

The speech is full of Mormon doctrine thinly disguised to sound Christian and fool Evangelicals.

Been there, done that, pimped the Book of Mormon.


13 posted on 07/20/2012 9:10:02 PM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama.)
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To: Diogenesis

The speech was eloquent, understated, intelligent, somber, beautiful, inspirational, and presidential. Nothing less. Your negativity is simply uncalled for.


14 posted on 07/20/2012 9:16:04 PM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MrChips

“The speech was eloquent, understated, intelligent, somber, beautiful, inspirational, and presidential. Nothing less. Your negativity is simply uncalled for.”


I found it to be utterly vapid and profane. It was no different than Obozo’s speech, or any atheist politician trying to speak comforting words while using the name of God. The Mormon world view is so utterly distorted that, once you learn their definitions, you’d realize it is a terrible farce.

Christians should not congratulate him or join in with his “ecumenical” call for prayers. We pray on our own, and away from these people who speak lies like they breath. Mitt Romney speaking with a religious theme is like Beelzebub leading us in the Our Father prayer.


15 posted on 07/20/2012 9:33:39 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: RaisingCain

Mitt Romney speaking with a religious theme is like Beelzebub leading us in the Our Father prayer.

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Amen and dead on the mark. But what can you expect from a man who thinks he holds the Priestly office that only belongs to Christ and wears the apron that Lucifer told him to put on?!


16 posted on 07/20/2012 9:43:33 PM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama.)
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To: greyfoxx39

I wonder if Romney said, “families can be together forever, through Heavenly Father’s plan.”

Nothing like a tragedy to help introduce the plan of salvation.


17 posted on 07/20/2012 9:49:14 PM PDT by colorcountry (The gospel will transform our politics, not vice versa (Romans 12:1,2))
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To: UB355; greyfoxx39; All

grey’s assertion that “There are mormon code words in his speech, like “comforter”, “mourn with those who mourn”

Good grief. That’s a stretch. “...mourn with those who mourn...” is from Roman’s 12:25 - “Comforter” is who Jesus promised to send to us after He ascended.- “But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth...” James 15:26.

These are Mormon ‘code words’?

The hatred and vileness against the LDS Church is rampant on FR by posters who seem to all but froth at the mouth - this is but one more example. It degrades FR.

Decide for yourselves regarding what Romney said - see if you can find secret ‘Mormon cod words/messaages’

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/20/politics/romney-religion-speech/index.html


18 posted on 07/20/2012 10:06:36 PM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: greyfoxx39

IMO, it was a very good speech. Why do people on FR look for evil in everything Romney does? That in itself is evil. He didn’t make it about “his faith.” Where did he mention Joseph Smith?


19 posted on 07/20/2012 10:12:31 PM PDT by madison10
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To: Diogenesis

PC produces the queerest of languages. When Breivik in Norway made his speech in the court room, the liberals there “stood bemused”, or superior.

This is very strange. An atrocity occures that split a nation, and all they obsess about is their looks and acting bemused.


20 posted on 07/20/2012 10:14:59 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Diogenesis

it was both, a tragetrocity.


21 posted on 07/20/2012 10:19:06 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Diogenesis

Hateful...and I do NOT mean Romney.


22 posted on 07/20/2012 10:21:01 PM PDT by madison10
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To: reaganaut

This is going to be an interesting pickle, as Mitt is virtually certain to mop the floor with Obama this November and take the White House.

Every time Mitt says something about God and America with the exact same words that the Christian (Methodist) George W. Bush would also have said, there will be a clamor of condemnation that wouldn’t have even been leveled at the deist Benjamin Franklin. But if Mitt remains mute about the matter, others will complain about how secular he is.


23 posted on 07/20/2012 10:25:07 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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