Skip to comments.Vatican's doctrine chief: Pius X Society must accept Vatican II teachings
Posted on 07/25/2012 1:17:37 PM PDT by NYer
.- Although the new head of the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is optimistic about reconciliation with the Society of St. Pius X, he says that the teachings of the Church – including the dogmatic content of the Second Vatican Council – will never be up for re-negotiation.
“The purpose of dialogue is to overcome difficulties in the interpretation of the Second Vatican Council,” Archbishop Gerhard Ludwig Muller told CNA July 20, “but we cannot negotiate on revealed faith, that is impossible. An Ecumenical Council, according to the Catholic faith, is always the supreme teaching authority of the Church.”
As prefect of the Congregation, Archbishop Muller is also the President of the Pontifical Commission “Ecclesia Dei,” the Vatican body responsible for dialogue with the Society of St. Pius X.
The commission is currently awaiting an official reply from the society to an offer of reconciliation that would give the traditionalist group Personal Prelature status within the Church. In return the society would have to accept a “Doctrinal Preamble” proposed to it by the Congregation, including full adherence to the dogmatic content of the Second Vatican Council.
In a July 19 statement, the society said it had “determined and approved the necessary conditions for an eventual canonical normalization” at its recent General Chapter, but added that it still rejected “all the novelties of the Second Vatican Council which remain tainted with errors” as well as “the reforms issued from it.”
“The assertion that the authentic teachings of Vatican II formally contradict the tradition of the Church is false,” Archbishop Muller stated.
He added, however, that between various texts of the council there are “gradations” of teaching authority. By way of an example, Archbishop Muller drew a comparison between the council’s document on social communications, “Inter Mirifica,” which carries “less weight” than “dogmatic declarations” like the Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, “Lumen Gentium.”
“Whatever is dogmatic can never be negotiated,” he said, while still expressing hope that the members of the Society of Pius X “can overcome their difficulties, their ideological restrictions so that we can work together to proclaim Christ as the Light of the World.”
Although the 64-year-old German is new to his current post at the Vatican, Archbishop Muller has had extensive dealings with the Society of St. Pius X in the past. As Archbishop of Regensburg in the Bavaria region of Germany for the past decade, his diocesan territory included a seminary operated by the traditionalists group.
A key problem for Rome in recent discussions seems to be the perception that the Society of St. Pius X often speaks about errors in the conciliar texts themselves.
Instead, the Vatican believes a distinction should be made between what the Second Vatican Council actually said and the sometimes problematic interpretations and applications of its teaching.
“We can all come together and avoid ideological positions if we accept the Word of God present in the doctrine of the Catholic Church,” he said.
The Vatican’s willingness to continue dialogue was indicated last month with the deployment of a high-ranking American archbishop to the commission responsible for the discussions.
On June 26, Pope Benedict switched Rome-based Archbishop Augustine Di Noia from his post as secretary of the Congregation for Divine Worship to vice president of the Pontifical Commission “Ecclesia Dei.”
Archbishop Muller, who took up office in Rome earlier this month, said he is fully committed to working for the reconciliation of all separated Christians.
“Our aim and our task is clear – to promote the unity of all the disciples of Christ in the one Church under the leadership of Jesus Christ and in communion with his vicar, the successor of St. Peter.”
This guy looks way too happy. A real red flag. Consider the state of the world and even his surrounding country. We should all be in tears. Diabolical disorientation is insidious.
I hope and pray that you are, too.
In that respect, yes, thank you.
If he had "Charlie Manson Eyes" (see pictures of the creep that murdered a bunch of folks in Colorado, for example) I'd agree that there's a problem. He doesn't.
What dogmatic content of Vatican II documents?
The question is, what exactly is dogmatic in V2?
“An Ecumenical Council, according to the Catholic faith, is always the supreme teaching authority of the Church. This is at best sloppy, and at worst an academic lie. First it omits the fact that the acts of a Council must be confirmed by the Pope to have authority; this is perhaps of only technical interest, since the Second Vatican Council (V2) was confirmed by the Pope. More important, it blurs the critical distinction between act and potency: a Council has the power (potential) to exercise supreme teaching authority (in union with the Pope), but whether it decides to use that power is the question. V2 explicitly declined to use that power, and Pope Paul VI explicitly said that it had not used it. (Note that I think I am using the term “supreme teaching authority” in the same sense in which it appears to be used in the context of the above quote, meaning that anything said by such authority is at the level of irreformable dogma and Divine Revelation.)
You are incorrect. By definition an ecumenical council has been confirmed by the Pope, otherwise it is not in communion with the Pope and not ecumenical.
Definition of terms. By definition, an Ecumenical Council is always the supreme authority, ect.
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