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SF's New Archbishop Could Pressure Gay-Friendly Churches
KQED News ^ | 7/27/12 | Laird Harrison

Posted on 07/29/2012 6:15:21 AM PDT by marshmallow

Is the Pope picking a fight? I had to wonder that when I heard on Friday about the appointment of Salvatore Cordileone -- one of the nation's most outspoken foes of same-sex marriage -- as archbishop of San Francisco, the gayest city in the country.

Cordileone has called same-sex marriage a plot by "the evil one."

And as much as anyone, he led the drive for Prop. 8, the ballot initiative that banned same-sex marriage, according to a an expose in the East Bay Express. Cordileone thought up the proposition, raised money, and put a compassionate face on the campaign, the Express reported.

When he takes his new position as archbishop of San Francisco, Cordileone will find himself surrounded by people who vehemently disagree with his position.

In conversation with KQED's Stephanie Marti, Cordileone made it clear he won't back down from his fight :

It’s going to be a big challenge of course but this is what the Lord has called me to do. I hope I can respond honestly and generously and effectively. He calls every generation to serve him in some particular way in terms of what’s going on in the world. That’s what it is for me.

But what exactly does this mean for an archdiocese that stretches from Hawaii to Utah?

To get a perspective, I called Bernard Schlager, executive director of the Center for Gay and Lesbian Studies in Religion and Ministry at the Pacific School of Religion in Berkeley.

"I think we know a good bit about what he will do," said Schlager, himself a Roman Catholic. "He sees same-sex marriage as a profound moral threat."

The only ministry to gays and lesbians that Cordileone supports is a kind of 12-step program -- treating homosexuality as if it were an addiction, Schlager.......

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.kqed.org ...


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1 posted on 07/29/2012 6:15:30 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Well its one thing to welcome all people into the church buts its another to actually promote and support same-sex practices from the pulpit. God loves all and doesn’t condemn but convicts the hearts of the people of sin whether its gay sin or anything else.


2 posted on 07/29/2012 6:33:35 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: marshmallow

I hope so!


3 posted on 07/29/2012 6:43:07 AM PDT by livius
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To: marshmallow
Brilliant strategic move on the Vatican's part.

Frisco ersatz Catholics like Princess Pelosi who have the morals of those in a vice squad holding cell need to be hit with Christian fundamentals right between their evil eyes...

...oh, the Sodomites will howl and have hissies out the wazoo with their friends in the Dem Party and the MSM but the new AB simply sticking to the scripture will be the rock their waves of unwholesome and unholy umbrage will crash impotently against.

4 posted on 07/29/2012 7:02:31 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("Obamacare like all Marxist fails, outlaws redress before creating it's demand.")
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To: tflabo

AMEN!!!


5 posted on 07/29/2012 7:03:21 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: marshmallow

My God Bless him with Wisdom, Strength, Courage, and Humility to take on this important task.


6 posted on 07/29/2012 7:07:38 AM PDT by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution)
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To: Happy Rain

Agreed...a brilliant appointment. Not used to the Catholic church being this smart. Past time to stop being a victim of these thugs...and start fighting back.


7 posted on 07/29/2012 7:39:24 AM PDT by kjo (+)
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To: tflabo
Well its one thing to welcome all people into the church buts its another to actually promote and support same-sex practices from the pulpit. God loves all and doesn’t condemn but convicts the hearts of the people of sin whether its gay sin or anything else.

Well said!

8 posted on 07/29/2012 7:50:18 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: Happy Rain
Brilliant strategic move on the Vatican's part

My first thought upon learning of this appointment was to think that Benedict had thrown down the gauntlet on the subject of "same sex marriage".

9 posted on 07/29/2012 8:46:28 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: LibertarianLiz
There are a lot of good Catholics in that part of America who are being terrorized by political correctness. Hopefully a hard line AB can give them a little relief and the encouragement to keep them fighting the culture war.

Jesus in Heaven is where He belongs but Jesus in Hell is where He is needed.

10 posted on 07/29/2012 8:57:32 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("Obamacare like all Marxist fails, outlaws redress before creating it's demand.")
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To: marshmallow

Pray for him every day. He will be in great danger from the deranged ones intent on continuing in their evil.


11 posted on 07/29/2012 9:24:13 AM PDT by redhead (Guns don't kill people...Planned Parenthood kills people.)
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To: Happy Rain; marshmallow
Brilliant strategic move on the Vatican's part.

Indeed yes! May God give him strength!

12 posted on 07/29/2012 9:24:30 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: marshmallow

It can probably be assumed that he will have to do much “housecleaning” of the dioceses.


13 posted on 07/29/2012 9:46:51 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Problems seldom get solved by ignoring them.

We need a few thousand more preachers,ministers, and priests giving sermons condemning sinful behaviors and less wishy-washy inclusiveness.


14 posted on 07/29/2012 9:51:22 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: tflabo
God loves all and doesn’t condemn

God doesn't condemn???

15 posted on 07/29/2012 10:19:33 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: hoosierham

That, in effect, was what I meant by “housecleaning”.

There are likely a lot of clergy, and certainly leaders in the laity of the Archdiocese, that need to be retired and replaced with a new generation who are far more serious about their faith. Too many in those positions today have “several masters”, and are not in the church to serve it, but to change it to the liking of some other belief system.


16 posted on 07/29/2012 11:40:36 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: steve86
"God doesn't condemn???"

God does not condemn. We condemn ourselves, through the rejection of God. God gives us a choice and respects our decision.

Peace be with you.

17 posted on 07/29/2012 11:49:44 AM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Natural Law

Jesus most definitely condemns sin. The condemning of the soul — yes, that is something that follows from the conduct and beliefs of the person. Peace be with you also.


18 posted on 07/29/2012 1:29:35 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: steve86
"Jesus most definitely condemns sin."

Agree, but that was not the contention. Jesus does not condemn anyone. He only sadly accepts the product of the free will He gave us.

Peace and blessings

19 posted on 07/29/2012 1:33:08 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: redhead

Yes, you are correct. Though he looked and sounded great today, we must continue to ask that God’s protection be upon him. He will be surrounded by wolves even inside the Chancery office.


20 posted on 07/29/2012 3:45:32 PM PDT by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: steve86; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; smvoice; HarleyD; HossB86; wmfights; ...

Of course Jesus does condemn sin, that meaning negatively judging sin as damnable, as does the church, and God thus holds the lost as living in a condemned state, in which the wrath of God abides on them. (Jn. 3:36) God also will finally condemn those who die in their sins in sentencing such according to their works, and grace given. (Rv. 20:10-15; Lk. 12:48; Mt. 23:14) Thus the opposite is true for those who repent and walk in the Spirit. (Jn. 5:24; Rm. 8:4)

“He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. “ (John 3:18)

“And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. “ (John 3:19)

“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. “ (John 3:36)

“Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. “ (Ephesians 5:6)

“Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: For which things’ sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: “ (Colossians 3:5-6)

“Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: “ (Romans 1:24)

“But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. “ (Romans 2:2)

“Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith. “ (1 Timothy 5:12)

“And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. “ (Revelation 20:13-14)

It is not possible to say God does not condemn souls without qualifying that as to a sense in which He does not. While it is true that God has not condemned souls in the sense of proactively punishing them according to their culpability, He nevertheless has and does condemn souls because of their unbelief and sins, and thus unless they repent and believe on the Lord Jesus then they will be sentenced for their sins.


21 posted on 07/29/2012 8:22:28 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute actual sinner, + trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: marshmallow
But what exactly does this mean for an archdiocese that stretches from Hawaii to Utah? ... Thomas Sheehan, a professor of religious studies at Stanford University, isn't so sure the archbishop will refrain from meddling in priestly business on LGBT or other issues.

Love it, love it, love it.

It certainly dispels of any illusion that the lazy-to-the-bone media have any clue about the mysterious entity known as the "Catholic Church"!

First, the concept that that Archdiocese of San Francisco "stretches from Hawaii to Utah".

Map of Archdiocese (teeny-tiny red areas on map of California):

Second, the concept of an Archbishop "meddling in priestly business."

Something like "an officer meddling in enlisted men's business" or "St. Paul meddling in Timothy and Titus' business."

Journalists get paid to do this kind of "work".

Verily, it is to hoot.

22 posted on 07/30/2012 10:13:37 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (It is better to be the child of God than king of the whole world. -- St. Aloysius Gonzaga)
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To: marshmallow

I sincerely hope he remains strong in the expected firestorm of controversy he is sure to face in the coming days. I just read today about a local businessman who is returning his Eagle Scout badge to the BSA group, claiming he had hoped they would “do the right thing” and drop their ban on homosexuals in the Scouts. It made me think of what Isaiah 5:20 says, “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil.”


23 posted on 07/30/2012 9:29:24 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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