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Islam & Lds, Muhammad & Joseph Smith: Similarities (+ Lds ecumenical nods toward Islam) [Vanity]
Colofornian | July 31, 2012 | Colofornian

Posted on 07/31/2012 6:31:13 PM PDT by Colofornian

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To: ejonesie22
I have gotten her done thanks...

Now as to the thread do you want to keep disrupting it or you have something intelligent to add...


Thanks for your donation. I will be making another donation tomorrow.
101 posted on 08/01/2012 2:00:30 PM PDT by PA Engineer ("We're not programs, Gerty, We're People")
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To: colorcountry
Hey, PA, I visited your homepage and noticed you have never visited Utah, nor Idaho, nor Wyoming....the very heart of Mormonism. I’ve lived in Utah and the Inter-mountain West my entire life. I dare to say I know a bit more about Mormonism than you will ever know. Maybe you could actually take some time and become acquainted with us. It might surprise you.

Now that is funny. It is not about "Mormonism." It is about the "posse" spamming every "Romney" and "non-Romney" thread in an organized fashion. Thanks for visiting my homepage.
102 posted on 08/01/2012 2:04:55 PM PDT by PA Engineer ("We're not programs, Gerty, We're People")
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To: PA Engineer

Yipee for you. Now to the subject at hand...


103 posted on 08/01/2012 2:07:11 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: PA Engineer; Tainan
Look @ your open-ended promise in post #36...twas addressed ONLY to me and referenced "my posse"...since when do you get to unilaterally define that?

Hence, you made an open-ended promise that you now refuse to honor...and here I thought the goal would be to encourage others ... first you, and then me, and then others on my ping list...to double our/their August donations...Apparently that wasn't your goal at all...twas simply to come in here with a huff and a puff and all smoke with promises of a full_blown blaze...instead hijacking the thread subject just so you could try to reinforce your personal ad hominens that the mod has to babysit your keyboard by yanking some of your posts on this thread...tainan was right about your tactics after all...

104 posted on 08/01/2012 2:08:35 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
Look @ your open-ended promise in post #36...twas addressed ONLY to me and referenced "my posse"...since when do you get to unilaterally define that?

Hence, you made an open-ended promise that you now refuse to honor...and here I thought the goal would be to encourage others ... first you, and then me, and then others on my ping list...to double our/their August donations...Apparently that wasn't your goal at all...twas simply to come in here with a huff and a puff and all smoke with promises of a full_blown blaze...instead hijacking the thread subject just so you could try to reinforce your personal ad hominens that the mod has to babysit your keyboard by yanking some of your posts on this thread...tainan was right about your tactics after all...


Now you have to lie about it. LOL, where is your name?

This was my second donation. I will be donating again tomorrow with another hundred. Probably will do it for a couple of days. I will ping your posse to the Freeper community that you have victimized with your spam with each donation.

Now I had just left the thread and you pinged me back. You are a liar at best. Well, actually not a very good one since everyone can follow your posting history and donations. You are welcome to look at mine all the way back. It is there.

Now how about getting it done, rather than flapping you lips and spamming threads.
105 posted on 08/01/2012 2:17:48 PM PDT by PA Engineer ("We're not programs, Gerty, We're People")
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To: PA Engineer
Now that is funny. It is not about "Mormonism." It is about the "posse" spamming every "Romney" and "non-Romney" thread in an organized fashion. .....

Really? Because I could have SWORN this thread was actually about Mormonism, but maybe you don't recognize that 'LDS' in the title refers to Mormonism.

To me, it is YOU that is spamming this particular thread. But, we humans often project our own issues on to others.

106 posted on 08/01/2012 2:18:20 PM PDT by colorcountry (The gospel will transform our politics, not vice versa (Romans 12:1,2))
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To: PA Engineer

Well, you win, that reply makes no sense.
This is the religion forum, which means religious discussions, not some weird thing you are focused on.
What is your view on mormonism or is it as it appears money is your god.


107 posted on 08/01/2012 2:27:36 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: greyfoxx39; ejonesie22; All
"They (muslims) ridicule the idea of taqiyya, calling it "the hiding of true beliefs, religiously sanctioned for Muslims, usually minority Shiites, under hostile rule." They don't mention that the idea of religious deception in Islam is not just held by Shi'ites, but is founded on the Koran, which tells Muslims that they can pretend to be friends with unbelievers to "guard themselves against them" (3:28). A hadith explains this as meaning "We smile in the faces of some people, but behind their backs we curse them." That sounds like Rauf, with his love for religious dialogue in English and rejection of it in Arabic, to me." Pamela Geller Why Some People Don’t Trust What Mormons Say. http://www.ldsrevelations.com/blog/?p=62 “I have said for years that the LDS Church and it’s members are not exactly truthful with outsiders about their religion. In fact, many times they are purposely deceitful about beliefs, practices or doctrines that are problematic.

Indeed...Lds bait & switch as well...

They tell investigators to pray about the Book of Mormon & its content; but MOST of primary Lds doctrines are NOT to be even found in the Book of Mormon!

108 posted on 08/01/2012 4:06:35 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
Lds bait & switch as well

Oh geez, did I forget to tell you about that ten percent and that coffee thing? Oh well, lets get that baptismal garb on. We'll talk later. I need to make my numbers.

109 posted on 08/01/2012 4:14:12 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: PA Engineer; Jim Robinson; Religion Moderator; Colofornian; colorcountry; ejonesie22; ...
Probably will do it for a couple of days. I will ping your posse to the Freeper community that you have victimized with your spam with each donation.

Now I had just left the thread and you pinged me back. You are a liar at best. Well, actually not a very good one since everyone can follow your posting history and donations. You are welcome to look at mine all the way back. It is there.

Now how about getting it done, rather than flapping you lips and spamming threads.

So, has Jim Robinson made you the Chief of thread police without informing other FReepers?

You might want to take a look at the rules for the Religion Forum while you are making threats...it appears that you have broken just about all of them.

Link

Ad Hominems

The main guideline to posting on the Religion Forum: ”Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.”

Whereas posters may argue vigorously for and against beliefs on “open” Religion Forum threads it is never tolerable to use ad hominems in religious debate because they invariably lead to flame wars when the subject is one’s deeply held religious beliefs.

For something to be "making it personal" it must be speaking to another Freeper, personally.

"Protestants are heretics" is not making it personal. "You are a heretic" is making it personal. "Catholics worship Mary" is not making it personal. "You worship Mary" is making it personal. "Mormons worship many gods" is not making it personal. "You worship many gods" is making it personal.

However, when a poster paints with a brush that accuses an entire religion of criminal behavior - his post will be pulled as flame bait. For example, posts that say "Protestants kill babies" or "Catholics molest children" or "Mormons kill non-Mormons" will be pulled. However, if the post is specific about a non-Freeper, I will not pull it. For example "Rev. Doe says abortion and infanticide are not sin" or "Father Doe was convicted for molesting those kids" or "Mormons killed non-Mormons at Mountain Meadows" would not be pulled.

Statements formed as questions are rarely "making it personal."

"Are you a heretic" is not making it personal. "You are a heretic" is making it personal.

Forms of "making it personal" include mind reading, attributing motive, accusing another Freeper of telling a lie (because it attributes motive, the intent to deceive) - making the thread "about" individual Freeper(s), following a Freeper from thread to thread and badgering a Freeper over-and-again with the same question.

The words "prevarication" "dishonesty" "slander" "deceit" "calumny" and "subterfuge" are synonymous with "lie" because they entail intent.

Words such as "false" "error" "wrong" "inaccurate" "misstatement" do not attribute motive and are not "making it personal."

Other words push the envelope of motive but are not synonymous with "lie" for purposes of modding the RF. However, they can be "making it personal" if applied to another Freeper, personally, in such a way the discussion becomes "about" the individual Freeper instead of the issues. Those words include "misrepresentation" "detraction" "disinformation" "distortion" "hyperbole" and "doublespeak."

Another example, calling a group of Freepers "anti-Mormon" attributes motive to them as a group which is not technically "making it personal" - but saying that another Freeper, personally, is anti-Mormon instead of anti-MormonISM is an ad hominem. It is "making it personal."

Another example, a poster may say on an “open” RF thread that a particular belief, diety, religious authority, etc. is "Satanic." But he must not say "You are Satanic." That would be "making it personal." The Bible is always a legitimate source on the Religion Forum, so a poster might quote the Bible where Jesus called Peter "Satan." If a post serves no debate purpose (flame bait or 'making it personal' by devious means) - it would be pulled."

I have seen challenges made during FReepathons before, and even made one myself earlier this month...I have never seen the kind of hostility that is evident in your "challenge" before. That doesn't seem to be an effective way to convince people to donate to the FReepathon.

Congratulations. I believe that ou will probably be a star at the TrueBlueLosers site.

110 posted on 08/01/2012 4:41:44 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Tell the 52,000 mormon missionaries to stop going worldwide proclaiming Christianity to be false.)
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People who talk about how much money they have to throw around probably don’t and those who can’t stay on point have even bigger problems.
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111 posted on 08/01/2012 5:01:55 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Jim Robinson
$100.00 from Pennsylvania - “Contest to get the spamming posse to donate”

Jim, if you are gonna celebrate the actions of the FReeper who is using this FReepathon for his own ends, cancel my monthly, including the August donation.

125posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2012 5:41:52 PMby greyfoxx39(Tell the 52,000 mormon missionaries to stop going worldwide proclaiming Christianity to be false.)

112 posted on 08/01/2012 5:48:34 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Tell the 52,000 mormon missionaries to stop going worldwide proclaiming Christianity to be false.)
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To: greyfoxx39

done


113 posted on 08/01/2012 5:55:51 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: greyfoxx39
Jim, if you are gonna celebrate the actions of the FReeper who is using this FReepathon for his own ends, cancel my monthly, including the August donation.

Congratulations. I believe that ou will probably be a star at the TrueBlueLosers site.
114 posted on 08/01/2012 6:03:39 PM PDT by PA Engineer ("We're not programs, Gerty, We're People")
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To: PA Engineer

Oh, I won’t be posting at the TBL site. I’ll just join the freeloaders here and let you carry the weight.


115 posted on 08/01/2012 6:07:38 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Tell the 52,000 mormon missionaries to stop going worldwide proclaiming Christianity to be false.)
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To: greyfoxx39
Oh, I won’t be posting at the TBL site. I’ll just join the freeloaders here and let you carry the weight.


116 posted on 08/01/2012 6:14:33 PM PDT by PA Engineer ("We're not programs, Gerty, We're People")
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To: a22freeman

“Tau,
No matter how many times “Mountain Meadow Massacre” is talked about, it is the exception and not the rule. You do not have to agree with us, but I wish you would get some of you information about us from somewhere then from those who are not careful with reteaching our teachings.”


Considering the Book of Mormon has been changed more than 3,000 times, and there are so many lies and contradictions within Mormon teachings, I believe it is the Mormons who are not careful with reteaching their own teachings. Your “our” is so obviously a fraud only someone with a cult mentality could believe it. I can dismantle Mormonism in 5 seconds. A Mormon chooses to believe for reasons I cannot comprehend for years and years, teaching others to be similarly deluded, and in so doing lose themselves in false pride and delusion leading to a terrible fate.


118 posted on 08/01/2012 6:28:05 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: PA Engineer

“How about you and your posse match my donations dollar per dollar? Are you up for it?”


You forgot to include me on the list, defender of Mormonism. Unfortunately, after losing my job, I live on the edge of an abyss. Perhaps since you are so giving and a much better person than us, you can email me your information so I can deduct a few hundred dollars from your bank account?

Are you up for it?


119 posted on 08/01/2012 6:33:23 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: PA Engineer
If you want to challenge other posters to make donations, that's fine. But if you do it on the Religion Forum, be sure to comply with the RF guidelines.

Among these are no ad hominems or as I usually put it: "discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal."

Now you have to lie about it.

Accusing another Freeper of telling a lie attributes motive to him, i.e. the intent to decieve. It is "making it personal."

Words such as "false" "wrong" "error" do not attribute motive.

Click on my profile page for the guidelines to the Religion Forum.

120 posted on 08/01/2012 7:31:07 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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