Skip to comments.Joel Olsteen, Heretic
Posted on 08/01/2012 5:43:55 AM PDT by BereanBrain
—I see that you have been here since 2011. I have been here since 2000.—
To be honest, I’ve been here since November of 1998. I lost my old ID and created a new one.
Still reading the rest of your post...
BTW, I find the occasional protestant "caucus" threads very educational ... even though I consider much of the theology discussed therein to be rank heresy. If you wish to understand what folks really believe and practice, watching and listening without interfering can shed a lot of light and dispel a lot of heat.
Then you remember the bad old days of incessant food-fights, you remember JR nearly banning theological discussion, and this whole conversation is pointless.
OK, as I mentioned before, this is really a minor annoyance. And it came from me trying to argue with an Osteen premise a couple of years ago and I was told it was “devotional” and to butt out. So I did. But now I am in eastern time and those things pop up just as I’m logging in and I remember that apparently “member” means you agree kinda like two pre-tribulationists agree but a Mid-tribulationist would not be a “member” of that devotional.
And yes, I get you regarding the immaturity. I came from Seattle to a “southern Babdis” church that I now attend and while I was teaching a class we got on the subject of my belief that hell means annihilation, one of the “leaders” started thumping his bible, disagreeing with me becuase he believes “what his bible sez” and that settled it. When I tried to show what the bible DOES say about it he became a brick wall. I finally had to say that what he was standing behind is his interpretation of what the bible said. I inched my way into it but it got ugly and I backed off.
Meanwhile, the pastor loved it. He said people’s beliefs need to be challenged so they can more understand their own beliefs and their origin. Not to mention their veracity.
It’s why I discuss religion on liberal sites. Talk about having to know why you believe what you believe! And that is why so many people that ONLY go to devotional threads or talk with people they agree with end up, frankly, narrow minded and completely unable to articulate why they believe what they believe.
And when tested, they wither.
I wonder if you realize just how riotously funny I find that particular exchange.
I have that question as well. Osteen’s views are not always devotional. I think it should be an open thread.
It needs to go either off the forum or the devotional tag needs to come off. My opinion.
—Then you remember the bad old days of incessant food-fights, you remember JR nearly banning theological discussion, and this whole conversation is pointless. —
No, because I avoided them. The ones I DO remember are the anti-mormon stuff. I participated in those at every turn. I almost became one after my tour of the Bellevue Temple right after its completion.
No debate of any kind is allowed on Religion Forum threads labeled “devotional.” The title alone is argumentative and therefore in no way qualifies as a devotional. The tag has been removed.
I'm not disagreeing with you regarding Joel's bad theology, I'm just saying a polemical thread doesn't fit the definition of a "Devotional" designation as I've seen it defined by the mods before.
—I wonder if you realize just how riotously funny I find that particular exchange.—
I thought it was funny at the time, though I didn’t dare crack a smile. The whole reason I brought it up was to give an example of a bit of theology that reasonable Christians can disagree on because both sides have merit.
That guy would have none of it. It was LITERALLY like arguing with a liberal. I’ve got him in my sights if, for no other reason, than to use him as an example to the rest of the congregation. Hopefully he may change his mind on some of this stuff. I’m not talking about him changing his position but, rather, on “non bullet doctrines” realizing that his interpretation is not necessarily the equivalent of God’s divine inspiration. This is especially true when he refuses to consider what scripture actually says. He’s not familiar with the greek or hebrew lexicons and is one of those “King James Only” believers. I hate to pigeon hole him and fought it for months, but man, he fits it to a T.
I hope we can be friends some day. Seriously. If only he can figure out that I’m not trying to attack his position, but only his “my way or the highway” attitude about it.
Which explains a lot, honestly.
Anyone who preaches the feel-goodism that Joel does is a flim flam artist.
God’s promises are not for this world, but the next. Do you really think the devout Christian in say North Korea is suffering in some dank cell getting beaten because he isn’t devout enough???? The very idea that belief and following of Christ will give you happiness on earth is BLASPHEMY. Yet this is the drivel this guy and far more preach every day, and its offensive and repugnant.
UMMM YOU ARE WRONG! Lakewood Church purchased(by whatever means) the old Compaq Center(where the Houston Rockets(NBA) used to play) and made it into an Osteen Worship “Center”. Get your FACTS straight.
John 15:18 If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before it hated you. 19If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you.
Bellevue Washington? Are you refering to the “Bellevue Flasher?” :>)
This is incorrect. While this guy may do some good, in this area he is off base. I suspect a large part of his opinion of Osteen is in error as well.
By the way, it's worth noting that MacArthur's response was in 2010, following Osteen's event at Dodger's Stadium. Rather than piggyback on someone else's success in a derogatory manner, MacArthur would do better himself speaking words of eternal life to those in need.
Yep Claude Osteen, he lived in my Hometown for a few years (Brea California) while with the Dodgers. I have his autograph around her somewhere from when I was a little tweeter.
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