Skip to comments.Faith and Good Works, Christ and the Spirit
Posted on 08/09/2012 8:34:03 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
Justification is by grace alone through faith alone. It’s a wonderful truth, established by Paul, classically recovered and emphasized by the Reformers. But as the Reformers learned in the sixteenth century, and as Protestants ought always to keep in mind when teaching this great doctrine, it is open to unhelpful mis-interpretation by those who would affirm it, and to uncharitable mis-representation by those who reject it. We ought, therefore, to teach justification through faith vigorously, but also carefully, and with certain safeguards creatively deployed.
A justifying faith that has no connection to good works is the danger so perennial that we ought to know to keep our eyes open for it. Wise teachers have found numerous ways to kill this beast. Luther certainly emphasized faith, but warded off misunderstanding by saying “it is a living, busy, active, mighty thing, this faith. And so it is impossible for it not to do good works incessantly.” Later Protestants would say “we are saved by faith alone, but not by a faith that is alone,” since faith is never in fact alone.
John Calvin once used a particularly good argument in a public exchange with a particularly good opponent. His 1589 response to a letter from Cardinal Jacopo Sadoleto (and Sadoleto’s original letter itself) ought to be mandatory reading for anybody seeking an understanding of how educated Catholics and Protestants understood what was at stake.
Sadoleto brought the standard charge: that the Reformers, “by attributing everything to faith, leave no room for works.” Calvin has several responses, but his argument reaches a climax when he makes this point: The unity of the Christian life includes faith and works, because it is grounded in the unity of the work of Christ and the Holy Spirit, which is grounded in the unity of God the Holy Trinity.
Here is how he puts it:
We deny that good works have any share in justification, but we claim full authority for them in the lives of the righteous. For if he who has obtained justification possesses Christ, and at the same time Christ never is where his Spirit is not, it is obvious that gratuitous righteousness is necessarily connected with regeneration. Therefore, if you would duly understand how inseparable faith and works are, look to Christ, who, as the apostle teaches (1 Cor 1:30), has been given to us for justification and for sanctification. Wherever, therefore, that righteousness of faith which we maintain to be gratuitous is, there too Christ is; and where Christ is, there too is the Spirit of holiness who regenerates the soul to newness of life. On the contrary, where zeal for integrity and holiness is not in force, there neither the Spirit of Christ nor Christ himself are present. Wherever Christ is not, there is no righteousness, and indeed no faith; for faith cannot lay hold of Christ for righteousness without the Spirit of sanctification.
In the next paragraph, Calvin connects the christological and pneumatological argument to the love and election of God the Father, making the trinitarian argument complete.
This trinitarian argument has not escaped the notice of Michael Reeves, whose book Delighting in the Trinity makes the point concisely:
One of Sadoleto’s arguments against the message of the Reformation was that, if it is preached that God saves people by his grace alone, people will be given no reason to want holiness. After all, if my holiness does not contribute in any way to my getting saved, why should I bother? I’ve got ‘grace’, after all. It was a powerful jab to Calvin’s theological head, but the Reformer replied with a knockout blow: that Sadoleto had fundamentally misunderstood salvation, as if it was something other than being brought to know, love and so want to please a beautifully holy God. For Calvin, salvation was not about getting some thing called “grace” –it was about freely receiving the Spirit, and so the Father and the Son.
I agree that in the polemical context of the exchange between Calvin and Sadoleto this was indeed a jab to the head met by a knockout blow. But if you don’t like pugilistic imagery, or if you’d like to isolate the theological and spiritual point from its polemical framing, you could put it this way: The unity of the Trinity’s work in salvation entails the unity of justification through faith and Spirit-empowered sanctification. Faith and good works go together because Christ and the Spirit go together on the mission of the Father. You can’t have, you don’t have, nobody has ever had, one without the other.
Sadoleto brought the standard charge: that the Reformers, by attributing everything to faith, leave no room for works. Calvin has several responses, but his argument reaches a climax when he makes this point: The unity of the Christian life includes faith and works, because it is grounded in the unity of the work of Christ and the Holy Spirit, which is grounded in the unity of God the Holy Trinity....
.... One of Sadoletos arguments against the message of the Reformation was that, if it is preached that God saves people by his grace alone, people will be given no reason to want holiness. After all, if my holiness does not contribute in any way to my getting saved, why should I bother? Ive got grace, after all. It was a powerful jab to Calvins theological head, but the Reformer replied with a knockout blow: that Sadoleto had fundamentally misunderstood salvation, as if it was something other than being brought to know, love and so want to please a beautifully holy God. For Calvin, salvation was not about getting some thing called grace it was about freely receiving the Spirit, and so the Father and the Son....
....in the polemical context of the exchange between Calvin and Sadoleto this was indeed a jab to the head met by a knockout blow. But if you dont like pugilistic imagery, or if youd like to isolate the theological and spiritual point from its polemical framing, you could put it this way: The unity of the Trinitys work in salvation entails the unity of justification through faith and Spirit-empowered sanctification. Faith and good works go together because Christ and the Spirit go together on the mission of the Father. You cant have, you dont have, nobody has ever had, one without the other.
Not one is righteous, not one! Our righteousness is as filthy rags. Nobody that ever lived is good enough to be saved by their own merits.
BTW I am not arguing with you, this is something that I have studied for years, am very interested in the subject.
As you mentioned, Paul was very upset with anybody that tried to suggest that faith was not enough. I have just finished re reading all Paul`s letters, I spent a good 3 months reading them once a day, over and over a paragraph at a time, not rushing, prayerfully. I also read what the Bible is All about by Henrietta Mears (long gone), forward by Billy Graham. Her book was /is used by the Navigators and many others, she was a very gifted Bible Scholar.
I believe in a moment of salvation, we pass from death to life, God knows our heart when that takes place, He even has a pretty good idea what our personal story in the future is going to be.
We are sealed for eternity when this happens. My only hope is the Blood of Christ, my works are not going to save me.
Now because I say my works are not going to save me, that does not mean I have no works. In past discussions, one here at FR not long ago, someone suggested I wanted to be saved so that I could just eat drink and be merry, continue to sin without fear because I was saved.
I never suggested such a thing...If someone actually thought that in their heart, who do they think they are fooling? You cant fool The Lord. If someone actually thought that, then their salvation was probably not real to begin with.
Billy Graham`s daughter ANN said she drifted away from the Lord for a time when she was younger, did her own thing etc. She says her salvation was never in question those times.
Same deal with the rapture when it takes place, this will be the next big thing to happen, we will meet Christ in the air, the dead in Christ will rise first, those that are lucky enough to have never tasted physical death will then join the other believers in the sky with Jesus.
This will be the judgment seat of Christ, this is only for believers. We will be judged for the way we lived our life, but salvation will not be in question, only the degree of the award.
Now myself I have never been comfortable with the idea of a reward, I fully expect nothing other than the salvation of my soul. I have never mentioned the award part before but it is Biblical. I fully expect to be the least.
Daily Bread Bible study...Martin Dehaun (sp) he did a series of very good ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED teachings. He was NOT speaking of being saved and continuing to sin, nothing of the sort
Anyway just sharing :)
Surely you do not mean that the often made assertion is wrong, that Luther and the Reformers taught that the faith that saves need not be one that produces works. Then there is the idea that SS means only Scripture can be used in understanding doctrine.
Here is one list of many statements by Reformers as to what kind of faith is salvific. http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/Reformation_faith_works.html (site temporarily down)
Therefore, works without faith is worthless to God but faith produces works in the fruit of the Spirit and is evidence of one who is living in Christ.
This is one of the great mysteries for the world to understand but those in the Spirit understand because He reveals the truth to them.
Excellent! Excellent! Excellent!
“Let everything that hath breath praise the LORD; Praise the LORD.” (Psalm 150:6)
RECEIVE (John 1:12)
BELIEVE (John 3:18 & John 3:36)
OBEDIENCE (Romans 5:19)
CONFESS (Romans 10:9-10)
CALL (Romans 10:13)
PRESENT (Romans 12:1-2)
YOUR BODY (1 Corinthians 6:19-20)
RIGHTEOUSNESS (2 Corinthians 5:21)
HOLINESS (Hebrews 12:14)
WALK (1 JOHN 1:7)
“He that hath the Son hath life; and
he that hath not the Son hath not life.”
1 John 5:12
Love your threads Alex. Always helpful as well as thought provoking. Keep up the good work ;). It’s touching souls.
The false doctrine of works being needed for salvation partly comes from the fear that people are going to think they can "do as they please" if you tell them they cannot be good enough to get to heaven and are saved by faith alone. I don't doubt some theologian somewhere started worrying about this very thing and, aided by satanic influence, began perverting the Gospel of grace. It started in the Apostle Paul's day - didn't take long - because he speaks about it in his letter to the Galatians. "If we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.", he told them. So he said that even if he, for any reason, or anyone else told them differently, they were wrong and they were preaching an accursed message they must shun.
I say that genuine Christianity is different from EVERY other religion in the world, because it says we are saved not by what we do for God, but what he did for us. Someone who genuinely puts their faith in Christ, believes in Him and receives the gift of eternal life is changed INSIDE. The Holy Spirit indwells and obedience and good works flow naturally from the new nature within. That's why we know that true faith is faith that IS an active faith that cannot help but strive towards holiness as God conforms us into the image of Christ. We love Him because He FIRST loved us and gave Himself for us.
Am not sure if you misunderstood me or not? I said the judgment seat of Christ, but I also said salvation was not in question at the judgment of the believers.
I really like your ....Jesus as our defense attorney, I use that a lot. In fact Henrietta Mears, author of What the Bible is all about uses that in her explanation.
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, one of my faves
“The believers will appear before Christ’s judgement seat to have him rule in their favor.”
excellent! we are in agreement, I had a foggy head this morning, I re read
I often say that someone who says they are a Christian and votes for abortion and all the anti Christian values of the Democrat party could Not have the Spirit of Christ within them.
I feel strongly about this, am I judging when I say this? I say No, but I get royally beaten up for this quite regularly.I may get beaten up for it here, but it`s what I believe, I also think it fits into this discussion.
The Bible says if we do anything to harm a little child we are in deep trouble, millstone around neck etc.
A person that argues for the death of a child, a person that wants to teach young children that homosexuality is a good option for them, a person that argues the removal of God`s Word/Jesus from classroom/public square is a good thing??
I just described many Democrats that claim to be Christian, many that attend very liberal Churches, while at the same time waving arms in the air saying they love Jesus.
I question if their salvation was genuine, I do not think this is judging, others will disagree.
I personally weep for the unborn, this is not something that comes from hate within me, as people like to say to me.
It`s not like supporting abortion is a temptation, or a slip, something that we regret and ask forgiveness and try again.
These folks are NOT remorseful of these evils, they are NOT repenting.
So I say there is a difference between a Christian that struggles with a sin of temptation that they have given into and after regrets and falls on face crying to Lord for forgiveness, and someone who claims to be a Christian but openly unrepentant argues for abortion rights, I challenge that that person ever had a salvation experience.
I can not get passed that myself. Any Church that has it`s members voting for such things, to me is anti Christian and plain to see is NOT Christian...Also attending Church does not save anybody either, but that`s another story
I think perhaps the Scripture ....many will say Lord Lord, but Jesus will say I never knew you (I paraphrase)
Now folks that are moderate Republican have some explaining as well.
Do not carry a dispute from thread to thread. If you wish to continue it, go back to the original thread.
“Do not carry a dispute from thread to thread. If you wish to continue it, go back to the original thread.”
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The subject of this thread is “Sola Fide.” I can reply
to what is being discussed. Why the objection, because it differs 100%?
“Sola Fide” is heresy, it’s not an opinion or a “dispute.”
Catholics have professed for 2000 years, it is faith and works not faith alone, have you forgotten? I thought you
were Roman Catholic RM?
Catholics and all Christians, do not believe, reject Martin Luther’s made up from his head lie of Sola Fide.
“Do not carry a dispute from thread to thread. If you wish to continue it, go back to the original thread.”
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Interesting, the OP refused to discuss why “Sola Fide” is not
true. I gave him five Gospel verses to show him and another
They both ran away, would not discuss them. Mr. Murphy
starts this thread to defend his belief in Martin Luther’s
I thought the article I posted showing why Protestants
are so devoted no matter what Scripture states... to “Sola Fide” helps explain their being stuck.
The Remnant is Roman Catholic, if only we could help
them see now. Christ has to show them (Rev 6:15-17), He wants them to accept the Truth at long last, to become
It’s going happen...
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Catholics are trying to help our brothers and sisters see
the heresies of Luther are not of God.
Again, because the “awakening” is soon, Jesus tells
a Protestant messenger “Sola Fide” is a lie. This message
was given August 7, 2012.
Will You Follow Me Into the Promised Land?
message to Kevin Barrett
...Oh, My people, hear Me. There shall be many woes to come upon the land as I pour out My judgments. But for those that follow Me with a sincere heart, I shall provide for and protect. You shall not just get by in the days ahead, but shall prosper in all that you lay your hands to. For I shall have a people as a sign to the world that I, and I alone, am God. There is no other. You shall be blessed in your coming in and blessed in your going out. I shall bless all that you do as you carry My glory to the nations. Get ready, My people, FOR I SHALL DO THIS QUICKLY. Some of you have already tasted My goodness in the land of the living. But I shall do even greater things among you.
But hear Me, My little ones. This shall not be for all those that call themselves by My name. There has been a FALSE gospel that proclaims ONLY MY GOODNESS AND PROMISES FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL BELIEVE (Sola Fide). But I tell you now, My children, that these ARE ALL LIES. And for those that have followed these lies, gravel shall be their reward. They shall not be blessed in all that they do and shall reap the whirlwind instead. For My promises are only for those that follow Me out of an OBEDIENT heart. My children hear My voice and follow Me wherever I lead. They shall not follow a stranger. And I, Myself, shall reach down from heaven and curse all that follow after other gods (idols). Oh, My children, how it pleases Me to give you the kingdom. Do not follow vein teachings any longer. But lay all at My feet and follow Me. I shall lead you into ALL TRUTH. * How is Jesus going to “lead you into all truth” ??? Our Lord is going to show the world soon (Revelation 6:15-17), the fullness of Truth and the fullness of God’s grace is found in the faith, Roman Catholicism. Everyone will have to choose, another action, give a yes or no, God honors free will. *
But WOE ONTO THOSE OF YOU that choose not to obey and think that I shall bless your self efforts and DOCTRINES OF MAN. You do not know the hour in which you live...
No forum members names mentioned this time.
I just noticed, did you remove my original post? An explanation for why Protestants cling to “Sola Fide.”
Be fair. Protestants are constantly posting writings to attack Church teaching and they are left, no removal.
This excerpt is a help to understand why so many verses
in the Gospel about “works” are ignored by non-Catholic
Christians. Do not wait until God shows you, try to
understand now. Our Lord wants us all to believe the same, yes?
Monday, August 6, 2012
The second most important passage in Protestantism (Romans 4:5)
Following closely behind 2nd Timothy 3:16-17 (which I address here), the second most important passage of Scripture for Protestants is Romans 4:5, especially the part that says God “justifies the ungodly”. In the Protestant mind, Paul’s chief concern in life is how a holy God is able to declare an unrighteous person to be righteous, without violating His justice. This mindset first originated with Luther, who struggled to explain and understand how he, being a rotten sinner, could stand before an all-holy God and yet be found acceptable. The “solution” to this dilemma is what Luther and Protestants think is the heart of the Gospel: that God formulated an ingenious legal scheme, through Jesus Christ, which made it possible for God to declare the unrighteous person to be righteous and thus justify them, all without violating his holiness, justice, and integrity. This mentality has taken over the minds of most Protestants throughout history, and is perpetuated through the mistaken appeal to Romans 4:5.
Protestants begin by (rightly) recognizing that it is an abomination to declare someone righteous who is in fact unrighteous. For a secular judge to do such a thing is a serious injustice, and there’s no way God could do such an unjust thing, either. And yet, Romans 4:5 says God does the very thing He shouldn’t be doing, God “justifies the ungodly”. Looking at this conundrum, Protestants get to work trying to find an explanation for how God could do such a thing and not violate his Holiness. The “solution” they come up with (thinking this is in fact Paul’s reasoning as well) is that God isn’t declaring the unrighteous to be righteous out of thin air, but rather God is providing a basis to do so through the work of Jesus (citing Romans 3:21-26). THEY BELIEVE the sinners guilt gets imputed to Christ’s account and Christ’s perfect righteousness gets imputed to the sinner’s account, so God can now look at the sinner’s “criminal record” and see that not only has the punishment they deserve been satisfied, but the requirements of living a perfectly righteous life has been satisfied as well. Thus, God isn’t violating His holiness at all when he declares the unrighteous to be righteous, in fact He’s upholding His perfect standards. This is what Protestants think is “the Gospel”.
This is where the FAITH versus WORKS dichotomy then gets introduced: Protestants think (quite reasonably) that since we are unrighteous, all of OUR WORKS ARE TAINTIED BY SIN, AND THIS CAN HAVE NO PLACE AT ALL IN JUSTIFICATION. Instead, it can and must be all about Christ’s work imputed to our account. This means that anyone at all attempting to introduce works into the salvation ‘equation’ is not only committing a serious abomination (by trying to get God to accept our imperfect works as righteousness), this person is also seriously deluded by not recognizing they are a miserable sinner with nothing but naked guilt standing before God’s tribunal. This is why Protestants begin all their talks on the “Gospel” with an appeal to truly recognize you’re a broken and miserable sinner who must look elsewhere, namely Christ alone, for your salvation...
After you’ve asked another Freeper the same question several times and he refuses to answer, STOP ASKING. And do not follow him to another related thread asking the same question once again - the clock doesn’t reset with each new thread.
I find it better expressed that believers will perform good works WHEN they abide in fellowship and perform the Will of God the Father through and by faith alone in Christ alone.
The object of our thinking is through Christ, not simply upon works. It is focused on works, interrupting or distracting us from faith through Christ, then we make God a debtor and those works are simply good for nothingness when evaluated by Divine Standards.
The object of our thinking is through Christ, not simply upon works. It is focused on works, interrupting or distracting us from faith through Christ, then we make God a DEBTOR and those works are simply good for NOTHINGNESS when evaluated by Divine Standards.
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This is not true, the “focus” isn’t on “works” only, Christ’s teaching is it is “faith” and “works.”
How do I make God a “debtor” and ie:, how is driving my family member to the hospital a “nothingness” in God’s eyes?
The stupid teaching of Martin Luther, his “faith alone” is a lie.
Does this mean, it’s going happen? Even after viewing the
divine signs in the Heavens, experiencing seeing every moment
of your life in review, non-Catholic Christians will still
go with the heresies and only agree one thing, Roman Catholicism is not the true faith?
Nooo....please come home. Be part of the prophesied, the
vision of non-Catholic Christians rushing past Catholics
to go forward and receive the most Holy Eucharist. I’ll have to find the testimony.
Pray dear brothers and sisters, ask Our Lord if He is truly
present in the consecrated host?
Regarding the debate about faith and works: Its like asking which blade in a pair of scissors is most important.
Martin Luther added to the Bible by putting the word “alone” in it. If you check other versions, it’s not there! LOL!
Just be aware that if you do good works in order to be rewarded for doing what one ought to do without reward or recognition, it is to God as if you had not done them at all.
If we take a concordance and look up every occurrence of the word "faith," we come up with an undeniable fact the only time the phrase "faith alone" is used in the entire Bible is when it is condemned (James 2:24). The epistle of James only mentions it in the negative sense.
“This is where the FAITH versus WORKS dichotomy then gets introduced: Protestants think (quite reasonably) that since we are unrighteous, ALL of OUR WORKS ARE TAINTED BY SIN, AND THIS CAN HAVE NO PLACE AT ALL IN JUSTIFICATION. Instead, it can and must be all about Christs work imputed to our account. This means that anyone at all attempting to introduce works into the salvation equation is not only committing a serious abomination”...
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History shows Martin Luther came up with “Faith Alone”, it’s
not Scriptural, never believed by Christians before 1517.
Let go of Sola Fide, we are accountable for the “works” of our lives...it’s the “false works” for show that God means...the Pharisee’s pretense.
The above quote, is it the reason for staying with “Faith Alone?” But, it is not true. Jesus’ death on the Cross does NOT cover all our sins. Christ’s redeeming sacrifice = our justification, entrance into Heaven...no!
And dang Luther came up with we’re all completely depraved
which is another lie and adds to Protestant’s misunderstanding. We have a fallen nature AND we are capable of good.
Pardon me. My statement was intended as a counterfactual.
The object of our thinking is through Christ, not simply upon works. IF it is focused on works, interrupting or distracting us from faith through Christ, then we make God a DEBTOR and those works are simply good for NOTHINGNESS when evaluated by Divine Standards.
If you drive a family member to the hospital through faith in Christ, and it is in accordance with the will of God the Father, then there is a reward in store.
If one drives a family member to the hospital, attempting to counterfeit God’s Providence with something we provide instead of God, then it will not be worthy of any eternal reward.
A simple understanding of faith manifests that whenever we add something to the Work of Christ on the Cross for Salvation, we void our faith in Him, but have substituted that work as a counterfeit for the Provision of God for our salvation.
First, Protestantism assumes that Adam was already in "heaven" when he was created. "Paradise" was heaven. He didn't have to do anything to merit living there; it's simply the place G-d put him when He created him.
Catholicism assumes that Paradise was a contingent state in which Adam was to merit the "beatific vision" by obeying G-d's commandments. Had Adam sinned he would not have died, but he would still have been translated to heaven.
Protestants assume that when Adam sinned, he was sentenced to eternal damnation because he was kicked out of "heaven." J*sus then was vicariously damned in each sinner's place. Once the sinner accepts this vicarious damnation on his behalf, he is automatically restored to status quo ante--with absolutely no human action required. Man can no more merit being restored to Paradise than he merited being placed there in the first place.
Catholics assume that when Adam sinned the "door" to heaven--the heaven which Adam was to merit while living in the Garden--was closed. When J*sus died his merits reopened this "door." But just as Adam had to merit heaven (the "beatific vision") in the garden, now man must merit heaven in the Church, which takes the place of the Garden of Eden as the place of contingency. The mass, sacraments, and ceremonial of the Church have taken the place of the commandments Adam was to have kept in Eden.
Until Catholics and Protestants realize that by "heaven" they mean two completely different things they will never understand one another.
As to the "faith vs. works" debate, I wrote a very detailed post on another thread explaining why Protestants reject the Church ceremonial in favor of "faith alone": the Bible contains only the Jewish ceremonial, which Paul claims has been done away with. For this reason Protestants tend to be either antinomian "faith only" advocates (based on Paul) or Judaizers (based on Biblical sentimentalism for the "old testament"). Moses and Paul are the only two systems given in the actual chrstian scriptures (other than baptism and a few "do this in memory of me's"). The "new testament" simply does not have anything like the Book of Leviticus in it. The reader is confronted with the Law of Moses and the antinomianism of Paul.
The Catholic/Orthodox ceremonial is neither of these two positions and is found nowhere in the chrstian bible at all. The chrstian is asked to assume that the Jewish ceremonial is a spiritual "type" of the Church ceremonial. But the Church's calendar and feast days were adapted from pagan Rome. Between Moses and Paul this third alternative does not show itself to Protestants.
I wish to ask again a question I asked on that other thread which was ignored (and probably will be here too): if the Jews had (chas vechalilah) accepted the claims of J*sus would the calendar and ceremonial of the Church have been adapted from the Jews rather than the Romans? That's something I would truly like to know.
“A simple understanding of faith manifests that whenever we add something to the WORK of Christ ON THE CROSS for Salvation, we VOID our faith in Him, but have substituted that work as a counterfeit for the Provision of God for our salvation.”
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How do we lose “faith” in doing a good “work?” You said
it twice above, God does it all, no need to add so a good work is “counterfeit” in God’s eyes? No way, the negative on “works” is in false works, a show from us not ALL “works.” Jesus totally atoned for our sins on the Cross so Luther’s nothing but belief is required to get to Heaven
maybe seems like a fit only it’s not true.
I thought we were all co-redeemers, joining our sufferings with Our Lord which means pick up your cross, offering our “crosses” and “prayers” to Jesus for the salvation of mankind. Weren’t we suppose to follow Christ in love by our lives? Right there is 70 years of a “work.” You accept Our Lord asks Christians to pray, that’s a work, an action. God doesn’t make you magically pray because you have faith. Our free will, you choose to pray.
Thank you for your reply, such a difference in belief. Let
us see which one is correct....not much more time, we’ll
know in the “awakening” as you guys know it (Rev 6:15-17).
We know which is correct now.
It is known when we are identified with Him through faith in Christ.
The work is good for nothingness when it is not done through or by faith in Him. The discerning factor is faith. The work alone is insufficient for that grace.
I suspect they would have as there are indications that when Israel returns to Him in the future there is a return to those some of those same ceremonies and calendar.
“We know which is correct now.
It is known when we are identified with Him through faith in Christ.
The work is good for NOTHINGNESS when it is not done through or by faith in Him. The discerning factor is faith. The work alone is insufficient for that grace.”
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Who is “we?”
If “we” are Christians, we are identified with Him through
His greatest Commandment, to love, that’s an act...a good
work. See, it’s “faith” and “works.”
I asked and you won’t comment. A good work is not void or a nothingness to God, how do you figure? How come you haven’t replied to my question about prayer either? It’s an action. And explain, why does Our Lord ask us to pray if Jesus did it all (atoned for all our sins with His blood so no effort, “works” required) on the Cross?
If Luther’s “faith alone” is true, why are we judged
by our “works” at the Final Judgment? We get off -scott
free- at our first judgment, the “particular judgment?”
Apocalypse (Revelation) 20:13
And the sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and hell gave up their dead that were in them; and they were judged every one according to their works.
In Romans 10:9-10 (NKJV) we read:
If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
“Plainly read: to be “saved” you must “confess” and “believe”. Obviously, “salvation by faith alone” is ruled out here. But surely there is a Protestant answer to this, for now it appears Saint Paul has his own “Not By Faith Alone” verse.”