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US nuns facing Vatican order to reform, quash dissent will hold talks with church leaders
Star Tribune ^ | August 10, 2012 | JIM SALTER and RACHEL ZOLL

Posted on 08/11/2012 9:06:44 AM PDT by NYer

ST. LOUIS - American nuns described as dissenters in a Vatican report that ordered an overhaul of their group said Friday they will talk with church leaders about potential changes but will not compromise on the sisters' mission.

Sister Pat Farrell, president of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious, called the Vatican assessment of the organization a "misrepresentation." But she said the more than 900 women who attended the group's national assembly this week decided they would for now stay open to discussion with three bishops the Vatican appointed to oversee them.

"The officers will proceed with these discussions as long as possible but will reconsider if LCWR is forced to compromise the integrity of its mission," Farrell said at a news conference, where she declined to discuss specifics.

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"Dialogue on doctrine is not going to be our starting point," Farrell said. "Our starting point will be about our own life and about our understanding of religious life, and the (Vatican) document's, in our view, misrepresentation of that, and we'll see how it unfolds from there."

The organization represents about 80 percent of the 57,000 Roman Catholic nuns in the U.S.

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"I think what we want is to finally, at some end stage of the process, to be recognized and understood as equal in the church, that our form of religious life can be respected and affirmed," Farrell said Friday.

(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: lcwr; vatican

1 posted on 08/11/2012 9:06:51 AM PDT by NYer
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Sister Evelyn Jegen, RC, of Chicago, prays during Mass at the Leadership Conference for Women Religious on Thursday, Aug. 9, 2012, at the Millennium Hotel St. Louis.
2 posted on 08/11/2012 9:08:16 AM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer

I agree with this. I’m not saying I agree with everything the church does or says, but it doesn’t coerce people into becoming priests or nuns. It is a personal choice to become a nun. If you decide to become a nun, then by definition you have accepted the structure of the church, including abiding by the rules and decisions put forth by the church leaders. If you don’t agree with them, you can also quit and rescind your vows.


3 posted on 08/11/2012 9:16:20 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: NYer

Sister,
Exactly what is your mission? I need some clarification.
Respectfully signed,
Kalee


4 posted on 08/11/2012 9:19:44 AM PDT by kalee
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To: NYer

‘The National Catholic Reporter
...if church leaders cannot reach some agreement with the sisters’ group, the Vatican could withdraw official recognition’


5 posted on 08/11/2012 9:20:16 AM PDT by jimsin (S)
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To: NYer

Sisters, you’re fired. Find a religion that agrees with you.


6 posted on 08/11/2012 9:21:58 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

The Church has no problem dumping all of them if they refuse to obey.


7 posted on 08/11/2012 9:23:33 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: NYer

Farrell ended the address with a phrase she learned while serving the church in Chile when the country was under a military dictatorship.

“They can crush a few flowers, but they can’t hold back the springtime,” she said, before receiving a standing ovation.


I would be more encouraged if she had quoted the Bible...............


8 posted on 08/11/2012 9:37:38 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.))
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To: kalee

The officers will proceed with these discussions as long as possible but will reconsider if LCWR is forced to compromise the integrity of its mission,” Farrell said at a news conference, where she declined to discuss specifics.


Now, why will she not discuss the specifics...........you know why.


9 posted on 08/11/2012 9:40:02 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.))
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To: NYer
"Dialogue on doctrine is not going to be our starting point," Farrell said. "Our starting point will be about our own life and about our understanding of religious life ...

Good grief. Everything about the sisters response to the Vatican call to reform (this idiotic conference, the speakers, their rebellious attitudes, going to the media with their victimology meme) perfectly ILLUSTRATES them to be the dissenters that the Vatican review found them to be.

Look at all the 'ours' in the above statement. Shame on these prideful self-centered 'intellectuals' who have allowed their "mission" to have been stolen by the secular forces of this world.

Sister, whatever happened to starting the dialogue with Jesus Christ, and the Church he founded with Peter as its Rock?

10 posted on 08/11/2012 9:45:06 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: NYer

they will not “compromise the integrity of its mission”

as a non-Catholic, I am unfamiliar with their institutional organization structure

were they organized/established by the Roman Catholic Church?

or did they “self organize” without an institutional mandate from the Church

If their group is a creation of the Church, then isn’t their “mission” something assigned to them BY THE CHURCH, and if that’s the case, then isn’t it NOT subject to the mere interpretation of the sisters?

As I said; as a non-Catholic, I am unfamiliar with the institutional relationships involved, and can only make assumptions, with that ignorance.


11 posted on 08/11/2012 9:58:51 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: NYer
Obedience is the key.Obedience to God's commands that is.Homosexual “marriage” and abortion (among other things) have no place in the minds or hearts of anyone who intends to follow His word.If these “nuns” want democracy they'll find plenty of it in the Unitarian/Universalist “church”.I'd be perfectly willing to help them pack.
12 posted on 08/11/2012 10:18:52 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Word Is Out,Harry Reid's Into Child Porn.Release All Your Photos,Harry!)
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To: NYer
"I think what we want is to finally, at some end stage of the process, to be recognized and understood as equal in the church, that our form of religious life can be respected and affirmed," Farrell said Friday.

Pat "I'm my own pope" Farrell and her fellow heretical rabblerousers have forgotten that they are consecrated members of the laity not part of the magisterium.

13 posted on 08/11/2012 10:22:28 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: NYer

This is what the Vatican needs to do:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kt3Q00iJVU


14 posted on 08/11/2012 10:33:59 AM PDT by Chesterbelloc
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To: Wuli
were they organized/established by the Roman Catholic Church? or did they “self organize” without an institutional mandate from the Church

The way I understand it in practice it is a combination of both. A group of men or women Catholics would approach the Church and ask to organize a community. They can organize freely, but the Church does not need to recognize them. If they are to get official recognition, they do need to submit to the Church's authority. In order to get recognition, they do need to be an organized and functioning community, and allow the Church time to decide to grant recognition. The other way religious groups form is to break off another previously established order, for some reason such as establishing themselves in another region.

15 posted on 08/11/2012 10:56:53 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer

so the final test will be

whether those Catholics whom the organization serves

care, respect, appreciate, want institutional conformance with

the institutional authorities of the Roman Catholic Church,

or

will those Catholics whom the organization serves continue to accept their service if approval of the Church does not come with it.

I guess.

(and many Catholics say one of the major errors of Protestantism is they are so divided - hmmmmm).

Seems the truth might be more that when Protestants “split” they don’t keep the institutional name/label of whom they split from, while all kinds of Leftist Catholics remain attending Catholic Churches while organizationally trading on the Catholic label while decidedly not conforming with many Catholic positions.

At least when some Anglicans started splitting over “same sex” unions it was honest. They didn’t try to brush the difference under the rug in the name of “unity” and for the pride and pretense of it.


16 posted on 08/11/2012 12:10:00 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli

Interesting point.

Also...Money is fungible. Without a clear split, when differences arise, there is no sure way to make certain that a person’s donations are not used for purposes for which they were not intended.


17 posted on 08/11/2012 12:18:26 PM PDT by wintertime (:-))
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To: Wuli
The question is whether the "mission" of the nuns can continue whether they are part of the Church or not. If they reject the Vatican, they can be completely cut off from support from the Church, which means they will have to make up the funding from other sources. Certainly the left wing will fund them, if only to embarrass the Church, so they can survive for a while. Meanwhile the Church can use its money to support people in a way faithful to Church teachings.

But there are limits to all of this. These nuns are getting very old, and one thing they have severely neglected is vocations. Either way, through financial starvation or eventual death, this branch is dying out. And it ought to be in these women's minds that the Church supports nuns in their old age, but they are risking having that cut off.

There are convents which are faithful to the Church and are stable or growing, and are younger. They won't be able to take over these nun's work, but they will survive.

18 posted on 08/11/2012 12:55:48 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: NYer
From the New York Times:

"The nuns’ meeting on Wednesday in a vast hotel ballroom here exemplified the melding of traditional Catholicism and modern innovations that has so perturbed the Vatican. They sat in silence for a long stretch, sang songs about truth and mystery accompanied by a guitar and a choir, and heard a keynote address by a futurist who was escorted to the podium by seven liturgical dancers waving diaphanous scarves of pink and tangerine. "

19 posted on 08/11/2012 1:02:10 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer
One of my Mothers Cousins was a Sister of Mercy in Halifax, these nut cases drove her from her Vocation. On the good side I have five new Cousins.
20 posted on 08/11/2012 1:08:29 PM PDT by Little Bill
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To: Vince Ferrer
"The nuns’ meeting on Wednesday in a vast hotel ballroom here exemplified the melding of traditional Catholicism and modern innovations that has so perturbed the Vatican. They sat in silence for a long stretch, sang songs about truth and mystery accompanied by a guitar and a choir, and heard a keynote address by a futurist who was escorted to the podium by seven liturgical dancers waving diaphanous scarves of pink and tangerine.


Barbara Marx Hubbard is welcomed by LCWR members to their Aug. 7-11, 2012 annual assembly in St. Louis, Mo.

In case you missed the earlier posting on this meeting, check out the video on the following thread: LCWR Assembly Begins. What their keynote speaker brings to the Nuns. VIDEO

21 posted on 08/11/2012 1:44:59 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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“Crisis precedes transformation,” the futurist, Barbara Marx Hubbard, told the nuns. “You are the best seedbed that I know for evolving the church and the world in the 21st century. Now, that may be a surprise to the world. But, you see, new things always happen from unexpected places.”

These nuns are probably about an average of 70 years old. They are not the vanguard of a new movement. They are the last remnants of the dying hippie movement.

22 posted on 08/11/2012 1:56:12 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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That lady is nuts and so are the nuns who fawn over her.

I felt the coming together of the planet as one living body. I felt light surround the planet -- the light that mystics see. The light was both beyond us and within us. I heard a tone, a harmonic. I felt that the light was intelligent, but that we were still too young to understand it. It was a kinaesthetic imprint of a "planetary birth experience," a collective awakening.

http://www.co-intelligence.org/newsletter/BarbMarxHubbardStory.html

23 posted on 08/11/2012 7:11:51 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Wow!


24 posted on 08/12/2012 12:22:26 AM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: Vince Ferrer

What a statement from a nun. Why don’t they go work for UNICEF.


25 posted on 08/12/2012 12:24:02 AM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: NYer

what is it with the fat old PC nuns and dance? It’s bad enough when my ten year old granddaughter dances at her charismatic church before the service to show her love of God: She’s ten and cute.

But the average age of these “ladies” is 65, and most of them are overweight, and most of them are not exactly attractive...

But what is worse is the context of their dance: they danced to greet this lady, as if they were David dancing in front of the Ark of the Covenant. And no one seemed to notice this blasphemy...


26 posted on 08/13/2012 12:33:09 AM PDT by LadyDoc
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To: NYer

Not unlike a fallen angel that wasn’t about to play second fiddle to a higher authority.


27 posted on 08/13/2012 12:49:55 AM PDT by windsorknot
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To: NYer
The plot sickens (LCWR)
US nuns facing Vatican order to reform, quash dissent will hold talks with church leaders
Cardinal Burke on nuns’ group: ‘If it can’t be reformed, then it doesn’t have a right to continue’

LCWR Assembly Update: How did keynote speaker Hubbard do?
LCWR Assembly Begins. What their keynote speaker brings to the Nuns. VIDEO
LCWR assembly begins; Vatican representative told attendance 'would not be helpful'
LCWR Prepares to Discuss Response to Vatican Mandate to Reform
Bishop Explains Vatican's Criticism Of U.S. Nuns (promoting non-Catholic theology)
Sr Patricia Miller in op-ed canonizes St. Obama for his respect for religious liberty. No, really.
LCWR nuns: “Catholic Church is pro-foetus but keeps silent on other essential issues”
Analysis of NPR’s interview of LCWR Pres. Sr. Pat Farrell: like a 7-y/o’s manipulative obfuscation
Biden brings cookies and ice cream to (dissenting) LCWR president’s motherhouse
Oh Sisters! Renegade Catholic nuns engage in media campaign (Nuns on Bus Alert!)

GUEST POST: “the sisters chose to put this out there for the public”
American Nuns Say Questions Not Defiance
Sister Keehan, CHA push dangerous compromise on HHS mandate (again)
Traditional Sisters Big Hit With Trendy Teens
LCWR reform is not criticism of religious orders, [Archbishop J. Peter Sartain] says
Sisters of Mercy doctors say LCWR is injecting politics into dialogue
Cardinal Sean P. O’Malley Laments Discord on Nuns
Vatican Official Warns of 'Dialogue of the Deaf' with LCWR
Bishop Blair Pounds the Facts; LCWR Pounds The Table
Nun Who Leads Network Disparages Bishops, Hesitant to Call Herself Pro-Life

Analysis: Dispute With US Nuns Began Decades Ago
Vatican: LCWR under direction of the Holy See; must promote doctrine "taught through the ages"
“The Biggest Distortion of All” [LCWR vs CDF]
Nuns Brace for Vatican Meeting
Catholic Identity Once Again
Crisis of sisterhood: ‘Radical’ U.S. nuns clash with Vatican doctrine guardians
Franciscan Friars Back American Nuns in Vatican Spat
Pastor Completely Loses It Over LWCR
Roman Catholic Womenpriests-USA stands behind LCWR
Nun Too Accurate Reporting

Sisters of Mercy President Defends Farley, Criticizes CDF
Major Vatican Assault Coming in October, Says Former Maryknoll Provincial
Vatican Warns Against Errors in Mercy Nun's 2006 Book on Sexual Ethics
Priests Come to Nuns’ defense
Leaders of U.S. Catholic Nuns to Address Vatican Reprimand About 'Radical' Feminism
Toldya About the Lesbian Nuns in Leavenworth [Ann Barnhardt]
Split over nuns' role plays out online (LCWR nuns complain about blogosphere)
ANOTHER WAY TO BEAUTIFY THE CHURCH or 10 REASONS NUNS SHOULD WEAR HABITS (Warning-graphic images)
Dallas bishop ‘communicating’ with nuns on their support for Gates’ global contraceptive campaign
When Reverend Mothers Cease Being Motherly
Nuns Issue Statement Defending Billionaire Contraceptive Campaigner Melinda Gates

Important Background Information About the CDF-LCWR Situation
Nuns Gone Wild: A Trip Down Memory Lane
Exhibit A for Explaining the LCWR Report
Vatican Crackdown on U.S. Nuns a Long Time Brewing
LCWR: getting to the truth of the matter (the blogosphere response to CDF document)
Radical feminist nuns’ group ‘stunned’ by Vatican criticisms, reform plan
Vatican announces reform of US women's religious conference (more details)
Citing doctrinal problems, Vatican announces reforms of US nuns' group
In hard-hitting document Vatican launches clean-up of feminist nuns in United States
LCWR Having a Bad Day. Vatican Names Archbishop Delegate to Continue Watching LCWR and Network

28 posted on 08/13/2012 7:33:03 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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