Skip to comments.A Deist Among The Mormons • Why I think Mitt Romney should be President
Posted on 08/11/2012 8:47:56 PM PDT by Daryl L.Hunter
I live in a beautiful rural valley of 700 people in eastern Idaho and after I came to live here I found out that Utah isn't the only place that is fifty percent Mormon. As a compulsively inquisitive geo-political junkie I decided to look through the Book of Mormon so I could learn a little about the belief of my neighbors. As with any outsider looking into another's faith, I found many outlandish passages that would require faith to swallow, however, this is a characteristic that all religions share. What I have learned of my Mormon neighbors in the years since my voyeuristic venture into the sacred book of the LDS Church is more telling. My anecdotal experiences have revealed to me that I couldn't have better neighbors or live in a finer community.
Although I can't achieve faith, I admire, and may be envious of those who do. One of the problems I find in my on going analysis of life and faith is the paradoxical dichotomy of religion that fosters the Achilles Heel of human nature, "tribalism." The tribalism of religion pits one religion against another; hence 99% of the worlds problems. The tribalism of Evangelicals is undermining the ability of their conservative brethren, the Mormons, to carry forward the flag of conservatism and I find this as an affront to common sense.
The foundation of conservatism is Family Values and I have found the Mormons certainly measure up. The Mormon faithful don't drink anything fun including, soft drinks, coffee or alcohol; they don't smoke cigarettes or use recreational drugs. They diligently tithe to their church and the church diligently reciprocates to the community providing community services and activities that welcome all, and in all my years of participating they have never pushed their beliefs on me.
My two boys are in the scouting programs; their Boy Scout and Cub Scout meetings are held in the Mormon Church. The scouting leaders apparently are assigned/requested to the position by the local bishop and they, happily, do so even if they don't have children in the scouting program. Evidently, these scouting leaders are obliged by faith to do their part to build a strong moral foundation for these children of the scouting programs to preserve continuity of an ethical and moral community. I am privileged to have my boys welcomed into such a scouting program. The Mormon Church accounts for almost fifteen percent of Boy Scout troops across the nation? Considering the liberal assault upon this wonderful, character building organization, we all owe a debt of gratitude to the LDS Church for its efforts to perpetuate the Boy Scouts of America.
The small elementary school where my boys attend is the model of what any conservative, Southern Baptist would be lucky to have in their own community. The LDS administrators have fostered an environment where liberal teachers do not feel at ease to advance the agenda of the National Educators Association (NEA), my children aren't taught that "Heather Has Two Mommies" and they haven't been forced to endure "Fahrenheit 911" or "An Inconvenient Truth." This conservatism in education has borne fruit as a disproportionate number of children of the community catapult to success in college and life. Nation wide, conservatives who can, pay extra money for private schools or home school their children so they can acquire an education like my public school provides right down the road.
As a seeker of knowledge that is too analytical to achieve faith, of any religion, I am befuddled by the apparent vitriolic animosity evangelical Christians have towards the followers of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Mormons have been the equivalent of at least a couple of vertebra of the back bone of the Christian conservative movement who has brought to fruition the Reagan Revolution and all subsequent gains in the growth of the conservative movement. They are our friends not our enemies! We don't have to join their church but we can stand with them against a common foe.
During the Presidential election of 1988, as Peter Jennings was tallying up the electoral votes for George Herbert Walker Bush, Jennings commented: "Utah, with its three electoral votes, has voted Republican for as long as anyone can remember." The assumption in Jennings statement begged the question, is it really a given that Mormons vote Republican? History has borne out Jennings' remark and for good reason. There is a synonymic symbiosis between Republicans and Mormons but Mormons, as a voting block are more conservative than Republicans, this is because of the conservatism of their faith. Both groups tout solid traditional family values, limited government intervention, and foster entrepreneurial thinking.
Mormon representation in American politics has grown far beyond their numbers. Five million Mormons live in the United States, Mormons account for 1.6% of the U.S. population, yet more than 5% of elected representatives in Washington are Mormon. This statistical fact evidentially concludes LDS legislators are valued by our society, not for their religion but for their, wider, appeal to the "family values" voter. Mormons Senators like Mike Crapo (ID), Orrin Hatch (UT), Chris Cannon (UT), Gordon Smith (OR), with the help of a few of our staunchest conservative congressmen in the House of Representatives including Jeff Flake (AZ), John Doolittle (CA), Wally Herger (CA), Howard McKeon (CA), Ernest Istook (OK), Mike Simpson (ID), Rob Bishop (UT) have all been valuable cogs in the wheel in the Republican Revolution. Without these conservative voices, we wouldn't have made the conservative advances that we have. Regrettably, Jack Mormon Senator Harry Reid, is an anomaly of the faith and luckily the LDS faith isn't judged by actions of despicable Senator Harry Reid. I suspect all religions have their Judas.
Ronald Reagan truly admired the many from the LDS faith. His administration included more LDS members than any other American president. David Fischer, Gregory Newell and Stephen M. Studdert, served on Reagan's personal White House staff. Richard Wirthlin was his chief strategist. Ted Bell served as Secretary of Education, Bay Buchanan was Treasurer, Rex Lee was Solicitor General. His White House included Roger Porter, Brent Scowcroft, Richard Beal, Blake Parish, Jon Huntsman Jr., Dodie Borup and Rocky Kuonen, and there were many other Latter-day Saints throughout his Administration. President Thomas S. Monson served on a Presidential Commission on Volunteerism. Is it possible that Mormon council was part of the Regan success story?
Just how conservative are Mormon members of Congress? Pretty darn conservative. Mormon legislators are most conservative according to Shanna Pearson-Merkowitz and John McTague in a study broke down the votes of every Senator by faith since 1976 along ideological lines. They then plotted those votes along the ideological spectrum. Among Republicans only, Mormons outflank their colleagues, voting conservatively, on average, 94 percent of the time, compared with 73 percent for all other Republicans of the milk toast variety.
The LDS Church for a century and a half established conservative programs that any welfare-loathing fiscal conservative would appreciate. The tithing of the Mormons goes to an LDS welfare program that supports needy families of their church. This welfare support is limited to one year and every ward has an "employment specialist" to expedite the recipient back into the workplace. It is a model of welfare efficiency. Mormons largely supported George Walker Bush in 2000, but they turned down the administration's "faith-based" funds that were made available to them, as the church is wholly self-sustaining, independence we all can respect.
The Mormon religion has been vilified by its detractors as being a cult, maybe it is, maybe it isn't, the truth is, I don't care! if LDS founder, Joseph Smith made it all up or not, because the proof is in the pudding. What the LDS Church teaches is morality, clean living, loving your family, being nice, and helping people. I can't find much wrong with that. Maybe the Mormons do believe in crazy stories that make absolutely no sense to those of another faith; however this should be irrelevant because their teachings produce good and productive citizens. Even if those who believe it is a cult are correct, the LDS Church stands head and shoulders above the secular progressive cult, the environmentalist cult, or for crying out loud, "the Obama Cult!" A cogent argument has been made that Christianity is a cult as well but that doesn't make it so! I have come to feel the religion of my neighbors is at the core of what make them good and moral people. I don't care how they became the wonderful friends and neighbors that they are; I am just happy with the results. My children are being raised among them, and I couldn't be happier.
I, as a secular conservative value my Evangelical and Mormon allies in the fight against liberalism and I wish that Evangelicals could focus beyond their dogma and embrace their ideological twin, the Mormon faith. Mormons have long recognized that to achieve a conservative nirvana, success hinges on allying with the Christian Coalition to achieve a common goal.
Having lived among the Mormons, I have trouble believing that Mitt Romney ever believed in a woman's right to choose. I do believe that as someone running for governor of, ultra liberal, Massachusetts, Romney succumbed to, the temptation of, political expediency by telling the majority of the Massachusetts voters something that was palatable to them.
Was Mitt Romney my first choice? No! My favorite candidate was Rick Santorum but in the early stages of the primary campaign I didn't think he could get the traction needed because of his devout beliefs he so proudly espoused. I first supported Newt Gingrich until his understandable frustration and desperation drove him to unjustly disparage venture capitalism. This transgression provided Democrats with sound bites that Obama will use against us in the general election. I was intrigued by Rick Perry until he coined the term vulture capitalism which will become another hammer the Democrats will use on us also repeatedly between now and November second. Michele Bachmann then got my support although I had reservations because of her limited administrative experience. Upon Michele Bachmann's demise I enthusiastically threw my support to Herman Cain who I had immense respect for ever since his days as guest host on Bill Bennett's "Morning In America" radio show. Rick Santorum's final stretch of his turtle race excited me in the end, but it was not to be, damn it!
Yes I was slow to support Mitt Romney. Romney was my favorite candidate in 2008 but 2012 has a different dynamic. In 2008 all we needed was a financial turnaround genius and in 2008 Mitt fit the bill. In 2012 we need a conservative movement turnaround miracle worker and Mitt wasn't it. Mitt Romney is too much of an equivocator at a time when conservatives need a bold messenger devoid of equivocation. I detested how Mitt's deep pockets bulldozed over his hapless underfunded rivals who were better candidates than him.
Well folks, Mitt Romney made it to the top of the mountain and I support Romney with my heart and my wallet. I still talk to many that won't vote for the Mormon because they don't like the religion. Just like in 1960 when Kennedy ran in 1960 many questioned the electability of a Catholic candidate, particularly in the Bible Belt South. Questions were raised about Kennedy's ability to place national interests above the wishes of his Pope. I hear the same paranoia coming from Christian conservatives again, and it makes me question their sanity!
For three and a half years Barack Obama has thrown everything conservative Christians value under the bus yet many dogmatic Christians fear a Mormon more than the President whose indecipherable beliefs are at odds with the Judeo Christian American way as is demonstrated with every stroke of his poison pen. Christian Dogma is risking my freedom as well as the freedom of those with whose dogma is crippling their reason. Yes trying to reason with the unreasonable is a fool's errand but my children's future is too important for me not to try!
Now is the time for conservative Christians to reciprocate the support Mormons have given to the Christian Coalition whose support has been instrumental to the success of the coalition for decades at the voting booth. This is not the time to alienate an arm of the conservative movement, as it is likely they will again be indispensable allies of the Christian Coalition again in the future. Interfaith support from values voters couldn't be more important than it us right now. If we don't coalesce into a cohesive, conservative, voting unit we may soon pay a price with the loss of our conservative Supreme Court, solvency of our treasury, the control of our borders and the integrity of our culture.
It is my hope that the Evangelicals will very soon realize that to further their conservative objectives, and more importantly save the country from financial collapse their best hope is to support Mitt Romney for President because those who stay home on November 2 are destroying their progenies future just the same as the guy in the oval office with the poison pen.
Here! Here! Although I knew I would eventually back Romney once he won Wisconsin, I am ready to battle for Romney and Ryan. We need do all we can to make the Ryan budget, America’s budget! Opening the wallet for the first time for Mitt tonight.
Mitt did not “make it to the top of the mountain.” He was put there by the establishment that does not give a rip about the conservative majority in our nation that is desperately trying to push back against the communist overthrow of our nation—and that did not support the RINO Romney (homosexualist supporter, global warmist supporter, socialized medicine supporter, etc.).
Mitt Romney is a liberal. We’ll see what happens in November. “Obama” and his team will perpetrate all the election fraud they can. If “Obama” “wins,” it will be through fraud.
“Just how conservative are Mormon members of Congress? Pretty darn conservative. .... Among Republicans only, Mormons outflank their colleagues, voting conservatively, on average, 94 percent of the time, compared with 73 percent for all other Republicans of the milk toast variety.”
Vote for Romney and you kill Conservatism.
The LDS is one of the most deceptive, morally reprehensible cults in the world. Though, it certainly isn’t the only one, or even the biggest. Where they leave off on drinking coffee and coca cola, they make up for with a culture of institutional deception from the top forced as far as possible to the bottom. Their “family” units are their “glory” and, at the same time, their greatest prison, as Mormon believers are pressured into conforming using such tactics and this false image of righteousness.
It is a soul destroying, individuality destroying religion that convinces its believers that they are god-men who will ascend into heaven and have their own planets and personal worship. They were the Scientology of their day, and they still are the poor man’s Scientology.
It’s not actually true though. Harry Reid, Orrin Hatch and Mitt Romney are a good example of that.
If the Christian population is abandoning the Christian ways of life- family values and such, He maintains those values in a different place that Christians may recognize them. I do not fear a Mormon's religious beliefs as president and a Mormon's "family values" could only edify us. I have other reasons for not liking Romney and strongly wish he were not the Republican candidate but his religion is far the last and least sensible reason for Christians or Buddhists or Jews or almost any other believers (save Moslems) to oppose him.
So RaisingCain, you prefer Obama?
“Its not actually true though. Harry Reid, Orrin Hatch and Mitt Romney are a good example of that.”
I see how that can be proven of Dingy Harry, which is noted and taken into account in the piece, and Hatch is undoubtedly skewing the numbers, but how does this bear on Romney? He has no legislative body history of voting. Or do you know something no one else is aware of? His history of executive as Governor would have no effect on this number.
While I don’t agree with everything Mormons believe in they aren’t trying to force their religion on everyone else in the world like another “religion” that starts with M. Obama clearly supports that other religion whether or not he’s officially following it and he’s also been a proven disaster and dictator who has to be removed from office.
Romney might not be the best choice but when you compare him to what we have occupying the White House he’s the only choice. Anything else is sure suicide.
“Vote for Romney and you kill Conservatism.”
Let Obama back in and conservatism will be moot.
Socialist countries don’t allow conservatism.
Look, as I stated in the article, Romney was my last choice but today he is our only choice.
Very well said.
I was raised RC when the Mass was in Latin and before hootenannies replaced pipe organ music.
Living in Idaho I interact with many Mormons. I don’t agree with all of their religious beliefs but I certainly feel more comfortable with their views on the importance of family and living virtuous lives than with the views of libtard members of ANY major religion. I wish more Freepers would try even a little bit to understand this. They ARE NOT mudslimes for God’s sake - they are patriotic Americans!
To know them is to respect them. How many Catholics can say that about joe biden or nanzi pelosi or the other satanic “Catholics” of the commiecrat party?
OK so hairy reed is an A-hole but he is only one “man”.
It doesn't matter now how he got to the top of the mountain, as I stated in the article, Romney was my last choice but today he is our only choice.
That wasn’t addressed to you...unless you are using an alias.
Working in Utah long time ago, I made mistake of accepting a ride back to town with a friendly LDS fellow worker. I found out his friendspip was just to get chance to try to convert me. I have kept distance from LDS people ever since.
Good people but keep your distance.
“Vote for Romney and you kill Conservatism.”
Don’t vote and you support Fascism.
“As a Catholic who is totally put off by the tenets of the Mormon religion”
It is interesting that this exact statement would be, and frequently is, made by many Born Again Christian Protestants. Living in a Catholic city I find many protestants from other area feel this way. It makes your complete statement extremely sensible to me and I wholeheartedly agree.
The election is on the 6th.
Also looked at your blog - incredible work. Such a relief from the world of man - I have been sitting here enjoying your work - LOVE the little pine marten peeking into my PC - I want to be able to come back and browse - the photos are spirit lifting...but I can't ‘shortcut’ your site - I ‘registered’ thinking that would do it - but find I signed up for a blog of my own instead! arrgg - don't need one.
Your wolves = you capture them so in character. I have a Shiba Inu - breed goes back 4,000 yrs - looks like a small wolf.
Some of y our landscapes are ethereal - I'm a painter but your photos could not be improved on by an artist. They stand alone.
I'm going to shortcut this thread - so’s I can get to your blog through ‘the back door’
that way, I'll also have your post on Mormons. I pray there are more level headed REAL Christians that will be able to think for themselves...It distresses me that there are so many in FR, of all places, that so eaten up with hatred for Mormons that they loose their own Christianity. Self-righteousness is not Christian.
“So RaisingCain, you prefer Obama?”
What does that have to do with the cult of Mormonism?
“I see how that can be proven of Dingy Harry, which is noted and taken into account in the piece, and Hatch is undoubtedly skewing the numbers, but how does this bear on Romney? He has no legislative body history of voting. Or do you know something no one else is aware of? His history of executive as Governor would have no effect on this number.”
Mittens signed far left legislation into law and cheered for Leftist projects, such as global warming, cap and trade, universal healthcare, etc etc. Even RomneyCare was actually designed by a socialist member of the DSA, Obama’s old club. Check Trevour Loudon’s New Zeal blog for that story. That same guy went on to help Obama build ObamaCare.
“Let Obama back in and conservatism will be moot.
Socialist countries dont allow conservatism.”
No kidding. How do you think we got Romney, the most far left member of the Republican party to run for President? It’s like Hillary Clinton vs Obama at this point.
“Living in Idaho I interact with many Mormons. I dont agree with all of their religious beliefs but I certainly feel more comfortable with their views on the importance of family and living virtuous lives than with the views of libtard members of ANY major religion. I wish more Freepers would try even a little bit to understand this. They ARE NOT mudslimes for Gods sake - they are patriotic Americans!”
It is a myth though. A fantastical, surface level assumption based on no idea of what Mormonism actually is and teaches. This is like praising the Jehovah’s Witnesses or the Scientologists for their refusal to take prescription psychiatric medicines. Once you look deeper, the only rational response is to be horrified.
“It doesn’t matter now how he got to the top of the mountain, as I stated in the article, Romney was my last choice but today he is our only choice. “
If that is the case, why are you trying to pimp for the cult of Mormonism in order to make him acceptable? It’s an affront to truth and all the things we are supposed to stand for. We are not relativists.
it’s his thread - he has right to opine - go to bed
I don’t know what you ARE but I know what youe AREN’t - well, I take that back - I DO know what you are, tho’ you may not.
You are a ChristianINO
“I dont know what you ARE but I know what youe ARENt - well, I take that back - I DO know what you are, tho you may not.
You are a ChristianINO”
Because I won’t lie or be silent about Mormonism?
Mitten’s Mormonism doesn’t change the fact that as Gov. he did everything that is anti-conservative and zealously pursued everything that is socially radical.
If he did not have a governing record of a social (baby killing, homosex legal and social dominiance, anti-second amendment...) and economic (tax raising, socialized medicine) “progressive”, and he presented himself as a conservative, I would have considered him. I don’t vote for radicals. Never have, never will.
You compare apples to oranges and use no logic. Legislative votes in Congress do NOT equate to state level executive decisions.
“its his thread - he has right to opine - go to bed”
It’s OUR thread...and I have a right to opine. Thanks, sheriff, but I’ll take to bed when I’ve a mind to...comprende?
“You compare apples to oranges and use no logic. Legislative votes in Congress do NOT equate to state level executive decisions.”
I have no idea what you’re even arguing about. The claim in the article was that Mormon politicians are super conservative. This is untrue of the three I mentioned, especially Mitt Romney, whether he was in congress or signing or promoting leftist legislation in his state.
Because christian bigots would rather keep a possible muslim in the oval office than a Mormon. My children's future depends on you voting for the republican instead of the democrat. It just amazes me how little christian republicans value their mormon allies?
“Because christian bigots would rather keep a possible muslim in the oval office than a Mormon. My children’s future depends on you voting for the republican instead of the democrat. It just amazes me how little christian republicans value their mormon allies?”
Your children’s future depends on you pimping a religious cult to convince people to support your political decisions? Honesty is the best policy. You couldn’t care less what Mormonism actually is or teaches, and couldn’t care less with the inherent issues Christians have with that religious cult. All that matters to you is that we vote your way. And, frankly, there is no real evidence beyond “hope” and “change” that any of it will have any real meaning.
So, no thanks. I’m not going to lie or be silent about Mormonism to appease you.
Thank you very much maine-iac7
Not exactly, writeins are still legal.
-- John Quincy Adams "Let each citizen remember at the moment he is offering his vote that he is not making a present or a compliment to please an individual--or at least that he ought not so to do; but that he is executing one of the most solemn trusts in human society for which he is accountable to God and his country." -- Samuel Adams
Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.
-- John Quincy Adams
"Let each citizen remember at the moment he is offering his vote that he is not making a present or a compliment to please an individual--or at least that he ought not so to do; but that he is executing one of the most solemn trusts in human society for which he is accountable to God and his country."
-- Samuel Adams
Excellent article, Daryl!!
Thank you for such a well written and thought provoking piece.
Check out the Photographs on Daryl's Blog! Brilliant and mesmerising!
And you are the most reprehensible human being to crawl the planet.
Your hatred for Mormonism is sickening and your opinion, while you are entitled to it, is as vile as what once was your soul.
Your insanity will consume you.
“...when you compare him to what we have occupying the White House hes the only choice. Anything else is sure suicide.”