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Al Smith Dinner (Cardinal Dolan explains reason he invited Obama)
Archdiocese of New York ^ | August 14, 2012 | Timothy Cardinal Dolan

Posted on 08/15/2012 1:25:57 PM PDT by NYer

FEAST OF ST. MAXIMILLIAN KOLBE

Last week I was out in Anaheim for the annual Supreme Convention of the Knights of Columbus. It was, as usual, a most uplifting and inspirational event.

In his rousing address to the thousands of delegates, representing 1.8 million knights, Dr. Carl Anderson, the Supreme Knight, exhorted us to a renewed sense of faithful citizenship, encouraging us not to be shy about bringing the values of faith to the public square. This duty, he reminded us, came not just from the fact that we are Catholic, but also from the fact that we are loyal Americans.

He then went on to announce a promising initiative of the Knights of Columbus to foster civility in politics. Quoting a very recent study, he noted that over 80% of Americans are fed up with the negativity, judgmentalism, name-calling, and mudslinging of our election-year process, and eagerly want a campaign of respect, substance, amity — civility!

For seven decades, the Al Smith Dinner here in New York has been an acclaimed example of such civility in political life. As you may know, every four years, during the presidential election campaign, the Al Smith Dinner is the venue of history, as it is the only time outside of the presidential debates that the two presidential candidates come together, at the invitation of the Al Smith Foundation, through the archbishop of New York, for an evening of positive, upbeat, patriotic, enjoyable civil discourse. This year, both President Obama and Governor Romney have accepted our invitation. I am grateful to them.

The evening has always had a special meaning, as it is named after Governor Al Smith, the first Catholic nominated, in 1928, as a candidate for president, who was viciously maligned because of his own Catholic faith. Smith was known as The Happy Warrior, because while he fought fiercely for what he believed was right, he never sought to demonize those who opposed him. And, the dinner named in his honor is truly life-affirming as it raises funds to help support mothers in need and their babies (both born and unborn) of any faith, or none at all.

The Al Smith Dinner has never been without controversy, since, as Carl Anderson reminded us, politics can inspire disdain and negativity as well as patriotism and civility.

This year is surely no exception: I am receiving stacks of mail protesting the invitation to President Obama (and by the way, even some objecting to the invitation to Governor Romney).

The objections are somewhat heightened this year, since the Catholic community in the United States has rightly expressed vigorous criticism of the President’s support of the abortion license, and his approval of mandates which radically intruded upon Freedom of Religion. We bishops, including yours truly, have been unrelenting in our opposition to these issues, and will continue to be.

So, my correspondents ask, how can you justify inviting the President? Let me try to explain.

For one, an invitation to the Al Smith Dinner is not an award, or the provision of a platform to expound views at odds with the Church. It is an occasion of conversation; it is personal, not partisan.

Two, the purpose of the Al Smith Dinner is to show both our country and our Church at their best: people of faith gathered in an evening of friendship, civility, and patriotism, to help those in need, not to endorse either candidate. Those who started the dinner sixty-seven years ago believed that you can accomplish a lot more by inviting folks of different political loyalties to an uplifting evening, rather than in closing the door to them.

Three, the teaching of the Church, so radiant in the Second Vatican Council, is that the posture of the Church towards culture, society, and government is that of engagement and dialogue. In other words, it’s better to invite than to ignore, more effective to talk together than to yell from a distance, more productive to open a door than to shut one. Our recent popes have been examples of this principle, receiving dozens of leaders with whom on some points they have serious disagreements. Thus did our present Holy Father graciously receive our current President of the United States. And, in the current climate, we bishops have maintained that we are open to dialogue with the administration to try and resolve our differences. What message would I send if I refused to meet with the President?

Finally, an invitation to the Al Smith Dinner in no way indicates a slackening in our vigorous promotion of values we Catholic bishops believe to be at the heart of both gospel and American values, particularly the defense of human dignity, fragile life, and religious freedom. In fact, one could make the case that anyone attending the dinner, even the two candidates, would, by the vibrant solidarity of the evening, be reminded that America is at her finest when people, free to exercise their religion, assemble on behalf of poor women and their babies, born and unborn, in a spirit of civility and respect.

Some have told me the invitation is a scandal. That charge weighs on me, as it would on any person of faith, but especially a pastor, who longs to give good example, never bad. So, I apologize if I have given such scandal. I suppose it’s a case of prudential judgment: would I give more scandal by inviting the two candidates, or by not inviting them?

No matter what you might think of this particular decision, might I ask your prayers for me and my brother bishops and priests who are faced with making these decisions, so that we will be wise and faithful shepherds as God calls us to be?

In the end, I’m encouraged by the example of Jesus, who was blistered by his critics for dining with those some considered sinners; and by the recognition that, if I only sat down with people who agreed with me, and I with them, or with those who were saints, I’d be taking all my meals alone.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: catholicvote

1 posted on 08/15/2012 1:26:04 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer

Yet another example of why those who believe in Catholic principles should in no way support the Catholic Church.

Honoring a president who lied RIGHT TO YOUR FACE, Dolan, and whose surrogate never take a break demonizing you. That’s principled, right there.


2 posted on 08/15/2012 1:43:21 PM PDT by risen_feenix
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To: NYer
I suppose he will also invite Pelosi, Kerry, McCaskill and the other upstanding Catholics?

Sorry, no sale Cardinal.

3 posted on 08/15/2012 1:48:15 PM PDT by demsux (Obama: THE job destroyer)
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To: NYer

I would not allow the Obamadork into my house. I’ve actually earned my house, and have had real jobs for my entire life. I hold my garbage man in much higher esteem than I do the dork. After all, the garbage man has done more useful work in five minutes of his life than the dork has done in his sorry lifetime.


4 posted on 08/15/2012 1:49:30 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: NYer

A Warning For The Cardinal

Wednesday, August 15, 2012 11:11 AM Comments (24)

Since Cardinal Dolan extended an invitation to President Obama to attend the Al Smith Dinner, along with Governor Romney, many Catholics have found themselves somewhere on the spectrum between concerned and outraged.

Many people consider it a scandal for a Catholic foundation and the Cardinal to host the virulently anti-life President when the Church is locked in an existential struggle against that same President.

After enduring so much criticism for this decision, Cardinal Dolan has taken to his Archdiocesan blog to defend and explain his decision. He makes several point in his explanation. First, the invitation is not an award. Second, the point of the Dinner is as an interfaith gathering, the whole point is to open the doors. Third, you gather more flies with honey. He paraphrasically says, Remember I am the same Cardinal leading the charge against the administration's attacks on the Church. This is a prudential decision, so pray for me and trust me.

For sure, Cardinal Dolan has been the outspoken champion of the Church's rights and the rights of individuals to practice their religion in public free from coercive immoral mandates. For this and by virtue of his position in the Church, he rightly deserves our praise, respect, and a fair amount of trust.

Cardinal Dolan, We trust you. I trust you. But I also have a warning for you.

You wrote about what the perception would be if you refused to meet with the President saying "And, in the current climate, we bishops have maintained that we are open to dialogue with the administration to try and resolve our differences. What message would I send if I refused to meet with the President?"

We understand your point, Your Eminence. But you must remember that dialogue is a two way street and so is perception. President Obama's Chief of Staff has made it clear that the President is done compromising. The President is also the same man who gave a speech at Notre Dame touting his commitment to conscience protections. He is the same man who looked you in the eye last year and promised the same. This is the same man whose own Whitehouse website still falsely claims the endorsement of the Catholic Health Association. He lied. He lies.

Cardinal, our ongoing concern is not merely that this opportunity for dialogue and civility will be wasted on the President. If that were the worst that could happen, I think we could all live with that. Our real concern is that the President will use this opportunity to convince as many people as possible that the Church isn't really serious in its opposition. One can easily imagine a picture of you and the President smiling arm in arm being posted to the Whitehouse website right next to the false CHA endorsement the morning after the dinner.

Our ongoing concern Your Eminence is that this will not just be a wasted opportunity for dialogue, but an un-wasted opportunity for the President to sell his lies, to the detriment of faith and liberty for all.

Cardinal Dolan, we trust you. But do not ever trust President Obama.

5 posted on 08/15/2012 1:55:23 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM (Sin Makes You Stupid.)
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To: NYer
An Open Letter to Cardinal Dolan [from Judy Brown of the American Life League]

August 14, 2012

His Eminence Timothy Cardinal Dolan
Archdiocese of New York
1011 First Avenue
New York, NY 10022

Your Eminence,

During the last week, there has been much written on diocesan websites and by other bishops concerning the controversy created by your invitation to President Obama to attend the Alfred E. Smith dinner. Much of what has been written seeks to justify that invitation.

American Life League recently launched an effort to convince you to rescind that invitation. The reason for this memo is to let you know exactly why we are doing what we are doing.

First, let me point out that Cardinal Egan invited Mr. Obama to this same dinner four years ago and we did not object. Although we disagreed with Obama’s basic philosophies, we felt that an attempt by the cardinal to show congeniality was worth trying.

However, it is now four years later and it is clear that whatever the cardinal hoped to accomplish at the 2008 dinner did not work. In four short years, President Obama has done everything in his power to undermine the teachings of the Catholic Church. As you know, he is implementing programs and policies that may soon make it necessary for the Church to repudiate our basic beliefs or close down all of our charitable and educational organizations.

Your Eminence, Mr. Obama has a long history with the Catholic Church. From his days as a community organizer working with Catholic churches in Chicago to his current attack on our beliefs, Obama has shown himself to be a shrewd politician with a captivating personality. How else do you explain the fact that, despite his very public support of abortion, contraception, and Planned Parenthood, he received 54 percent of the Catholic vote in 2008?

The question is NOT why you invited Mr. Obama to the dinner. The real question is why he accepted.

I submit to you that the reason he accepted is that he has nothing to lose. The Al Smith Foundation website touts that, at the 2008 dinner, Obama displayed “wit, wisdom, warmth, and wile.” I am sure the author of those words thought he was being totally complimentary, but the fact is that he was very accurate. Synonyms for “wile” are, of course, “hoax,” “ploy,” “scam,” and “deception.”

I believe Mr. Obama sees the 2012 Al Smith dinner as an opportunity to, once again, use his wiles to entice the Catholics in America to “trust” him—-a trust that he has betrayed time and time again.

Your Eminence, when I think of the outcome of the event—-where you are seen hosting both candidates for president—-I am convinced the idea that will be transmitted through the images of that dinner will be that a vote for either candidate is okay with the hierarchy.

This is precisely why American Life League launched the No Dinner for Obama campaign. We don’t want Catholics to be confused about the most pro-abortion president in American history. Our duty is to be faithful and to defend moral principles, while begging our hierarchy to do the same.

We pray for you, and all members of the hierarchy, “Lead us out of temptation and toward truth, particularly today when so much is at stake.”

You and the bishops of the Church have convinced us over the last several months that the future of the Catholic Church in America is hanging in the balance. We MUST oppose the contraceptive mandate and all of the other affronts the current administration is throwing at us.

Inviting the head of that administration to dinner and a night of humor and congeniality is NOT how we are going to save our Church.

Please, your Eminence, cancel the invitation or cancel the dinner. If you do neither, I am very afraid that, at this time next year, you may be forced to cancel most Church activities that take place outside the confines of your physical churches.

Asking the blessing of Your Eminence, I am,

Yours respectfully in Christ,
Judie Brown, President
American Life League

Cc: All United States Catholic Bishops

Action: Visit all.org/No-Dinner-for-Obama for more information and instructions. You may also contact Cardinal Dolan’s office directly at 212-371-1000 weekdays prior to 12 noon (EST) – Cardinal Dolan’s secretary is Kathleen. Or, you can email your concerns to the Communications Director of the Archdiocese, Mr. Joseph Zwilling, at joseph.zwilling@archny.org.

6 posted on 08/15/2012 1:59:14 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM (Sin Makes You Stupid.)
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To: NYer

Al Smith Dinner Willing To Accept Pro-Abortion Group

Posted on August 14, 2012 by

Rockford, Il – (ProLifeCorner.com) – 8 14-2012 – by Rockford Pro-Life Initiative -Al Smith Foundation is happy to include a pro-abortion group table and take their $25,000.  Sadly, with the permission of Cardinal Dolan, the 67th Annual Alfred E. Smith Memorial Foundation Dinner on Thursday, October 18, 2012 at the Waldorf Astoria in New York is honoring the most radical pro-abortion president in American history.

Update: New Sting

In an effort to see how accepting the Al Smith Dinner really is of the “pro-choice” message,  an email was sent to the organizers of the dinner from a fictitious “pro-choice” minister thanking them for moving beyond abortion politics and offering to back-up this “pro-choice” support by purchasing a table for the Al Smith Dinner that could cost as much as $25,000.

It was hoped this offer of big money, from a clearly identifiable pro-abortion group, would be turned down.

But in New York it seems that money talks, even if it is being offered to a Catholic organization by a pro-child killing group.

In a response to the pro-abortion email sent to the Al Smith Dinner, a reply email was sent directly from a representative of the Al Smith Dinner thanking the pro-abortion group for “the kind words” and expressing a clear willingness to have a table from a pro-abortion group at the Al Smith Dinner.

It is a bitter pill to swallow to realize that many in the Church turn a blind eye to abortion when prestige, power, acceptance by the culture, and big money are involved.

In 2004, the US Conference of Catholic Bishops issued a statement on “Catholics in Political Life.”  It said:  “The Catholic community and Catholic institutions should not honor those who act in defiance of our fundamental moral principles.  They should not be given awards, honors or platforms which would suggest support for their actions.”

When Obama spoke at the 2008 Al Smith dinner he said:  “Contrary to the rumors that you’ve heard, I was not born in a manger.”  And:  “If I had to name my greatest strength, I guess it would be my humility.”  “Greatest weakness?  It’s possible that I am a little too awesome.”

Even if these comments were meant to be amusing they are certainly not respectful of Christianity and clearly show his arrogance.

Some argue that money is raised by this dinner to help the poor.  Blessed John Paul the Great said:  “You cannot do good with one hand and evil with the other.,”  Obama’s position on abortion was known in 2008 and he should not have been invited then.  Obama has since attacked pro-life citizens labeling them terrorists, shut down Catholic Charities in Illinois, shredded the Constitution on freedom of religion and currently is forcing a government takeover of health care, read here socialized medicine.  In short, he is the enemy of freedom and religion.  To invite Obama to this dinner would be the same as if the Jews were to have invited Hitler to a fundraising dinner in the late 30’s.  Judas sold out Jesus for 30 pieces of silver.  The only difference with the Al Smith dinner is the current rate of exchange.

_________________________

Update: New Sting

Purpose Of Al Smith Dinner Is Flawed

http://prolifecorner.com/purpose-of-al-smith-dinner-is-flawed/

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From: Susan Beil <coalitionforchoice@ymail.com>
To:alsmithfoundation@archny.org” <alsmithfoundation@archny.org>
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 1:25 PM
Subject: Ticket information

 

Dear Al Smith Dinner,

I am writing to inquire about reserving a table at the 67th Annual Alfred E. Smith Memorial Foundation Dinner on Thursday, October 18, 2012
at the Waldorf Astoria.

If spaces are still available we would like to reserve a table for ten or twelve people for the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice.

Could you let me know if this can be done by credit card on the Internet or over the phone.

You have our full support in the invitation issued to President Obama and we want to financially show our support for this decision to move past the corrosive political fighting that often accompanies the issue of reproductive choice.  We stand with you.

We look forward to hearing from you and seeing you on October 18.

Rev. Susan Beil

coalitionforchoice@ymail.com

http://rcrc.org/

 

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From: Al Smith Foundation <alsmithfoundation@archny.org>
To: ‘Susan Beil’ <coalitionforchoice@ymail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 7:10 PM
Subject: RE: Ticket information

Hi Rev. Beil,

Thank you so much for your email and your kind words.  Tickets to the event are $2,500 each and tables start at $25,000.  If you are still interested please send me your mailing address and I can send you an invitation when they go out in late August.

Many thanks,

Meghan

 

 

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7 posted on 08/15/2012 2:01:52 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM (Sin Makes You Stupid.)
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Cardinal Dolan, you BETTER not set a BAD example by being all CHUMMY with the PRO-ABORTION, CHRISTIAN HATING MARXIST that wished you didn;t EXIST!!! And is Frantically trying to make us go against our Christian beliefs!!

Jesus didn't just eat and YUK it up with the sinners.....he TAUGHT them right from wrong!!! STEP UP TO THAT PLATE, CARDINAL!!!!

8 posted on 08/15/2012 2:16:49 PM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: NYer
Cardinal Dolan, you BETTER not set a BAD example by being all CHUMMY with the PRO-ABORTION, CHRISTIAN HATING MARXIST that wished you didn;t EXIST!!! And is Frantically trying to make us go against our Christian beliefs!!

Jesus didn't just eat and YUK it up with the sinners.....he TAUGHT them right from wrong!!! STEP UP TO THAT PLATE, CARDINAL!!!!

9 posted on 08/15/2012 2:17:10 PM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: NYer
Cardinal Dolan, you BETTER not set a BAD example by being all CHUMMY with the PRO-ABORTION, CHRISTIAN HATING MARXIST that wished you didn;t EXIST!!! And is Frantically trying to make us go against our Christian beliefs!!

Jesus didn't just eat and YUK it up with the sinners.....he TAUGHT them right from wrong!!! STEP UP TO THAT PLATE, CARDINAL!!!!

10 posted on 08/15/2012 2:17:10 PM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: NYer

A Catholic I am not, but I am a Christian.....What are we privates in Christ’s army to think when the commander fraternizes so unapologetically with the enemy of our cause? Respect for the office one thing, but given this lying showboat a forum is another.


11 posted on 08/15/2012 2:19:09 PM PDT by Enten (I don't have islamophobia...I do have islamonausea)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
an email was sent to the organizers of the dinner from a

fictitious

“pro-choice” minister

I read this article earlier today and, after noting that it was a ruse, dismissed the story. Don't know who handles the organization of the dinner, but this thread is about Cardinal Dolan, not about the organizers.

12 posted on 08/15/2012 2:22:31 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer

When I read the letter of Cardinal Dolan I cannot believe that it was written by the successor of the courageous Cardinal O’Connor.I think Cardinal Dolan would be more accurate using the word cowardice in the place of civility.It is hard to believe that Cardinal Dolan has already done more to reelect the most pro-abortin President than any other Catholic.


13 posted on 08/15/2012 2:26:14 PM PDT by ardara
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Not sure what happened but I pinged all of you after posting this thread. Repinging the group.


14 posted on 08/15/2012 2:26:27 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer

Not buying.


15 posted on 08/15/2012 2:30:01 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: NYer
Some have told me the invitation is a scandal. That charge weighs on me,

It is, and it should. But keep on repeating the word "civility", if it makes you feel better.

16 posted on 08/15/2012 2:36:25 PM PDT by workerbee (June 28, 2012 -- 9/11 From Within)
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To: NYer

Both the OP and this blog post are symptomatic of the malfeasance of the USCCB and the hacks who infest chancery offices and “catholic” bureaucracies throughout the USA.


17 posted on 08/15/2012 2:50:00 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM (Sin Makes You Stupid.)
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To: NYer

You will most certainly have my prayers, Cardinal Dolan.


18 posted on 08/15/2012 3:16:23 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. - Modified Descartes)
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To: sitetest

Indeed. Did Pope PiusXII invite Hitler to a public celebration dinner while he was working to stop Hitler’s attack on Europe and the Jews? 


19 posted on 08/15/2012 3:23:58 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM (Sin Makes You Stupid.)
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To: Enten; Da Coyote; Ann Archy; Dr. Brian Kopp
A Catholic I am not, but I am a Christian.....What are we privates in Christ’s army to think when the commander fraternizes so unapologetically with the enemy of our cause?

I expect you will have the same reaction as the Pharisees. (Apologies for the poor formating).


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5 6 As Jesus passed on from there, he saw a man named Matthew sitting at the customs post. He said to him, "Follow me." And he got up and followed him.
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While he was at table in his house, 7 many tax collectors and sinners came and sat with Jesus and his disciples.
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The Pharisees saw this and said to his disciples, "Why does your teacher 8 eat with tax collectors and sinners?"
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He heard this and said, "Those who are well do not need a physician, but the sick do. 9
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Go and learn the meaning of the words, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' 10 I did not come to call the righteous but sinners."
Matthew 9: 9-13


15While he was at table in his house,* many tax collectors and sinners sat with Jesus and his disciples; for there were many who followed him. 16* Some scribes who were Pharisees saw that he was eating with sinners and tax collectors and said to his disciples, “Why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?” 17Jesus heard this and said to them [that], “Those who are well do not need a physician,* but the sick do. I did not come to call the righteous but sinners.”
Mark 2:15-17


Then Levi gave a great banquet for him in his house, and a large crowd of tax collectors and others were at table with them. 30The Pharisees and their scribes complained to his disciples, saying, “Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and sinners?” 31Jesus said to them in reply, “Those who are healthy do not need a physician, but the sick do. 32I have not come to call the righteous to repentance but sinners.”
Luke 5:29-32


20 posted on 08/15/2012 3:35:56 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Doc, I know you stand and respect you, so I ask this honestly and frankly.

In the US Catholic Church, does “social justice” trump abortion?

Ryan gets called out by name for his budget, Obama gets an invite to dinner.

21 posted on 08/15/2012 3:38:59 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: NYer
Three, the teaching of the Church, so radiant in the Second Vatican Council, is that the posture of the Church towards culture, society, and government is that of engagement and dialogue. In other words, it’s better to invite than to ignore, more effective to talk together than to yell from a distance, more productive to open a door than to shut one.

Why do they sue the 0bama Administration, then? Just try to sit and discuss their differences with the Administration should be enough, no?

22 posted on 08/15/2012 3:40:36 PM PDT by paudio (Two stubborn facts remain: (1) Romney is better than 0bama, and (2) Romney is the Republican Nominee)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Dear Dr. Brian Kopp,

“Did Pope PiusXII invite Hitler to a public celebration dinner while he was working to stop Hitler’s attack on Europe and the Jews?”

Oh, but you see, that's such an impolitic way of thinking!! We don't want to be confrontational with Mr. Obama. We just all want to go along to get along!! Just tweak that Obamacare a bit, and all us bishops (or at least 95+% of us) will go away quietly, happily, because underneath, all us bishops (or at least 95% of us) of the American Catholic Church are dyed-in-the-wool socialists!!

Jesus told us about these ones in Matthew 23. They speak from the chair of Moses, and we must obey what is actually taught from the chair. But we are not to emulate them.


sitetest

23 posted on 08/15/2012 3:41:08 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: NYer; Mrs. Don-o

I give Dolan props for at least addressing this. But, Judy Brown sees the situation more clearly. It’s not business as usual, Your Eminence.

A simple shepherd knows about wolves and sheep.


24 posted on 08/15/2012 3:47:48 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: NYer

**No matter what you might think of this particular decision, might I ask your prayers for me and my brother bishops and priests who are faced with making these decisions, so that we will be wise and faithful shepherds as God calls us to be?**

OK, I finally understand the purpose of this invitation, Cardinal Dolan. Our prayers are covering you.


25 posted on 08/15/2012 3:48:17 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: sitetest

See my post #20


26 posted on 08/15/2012 3:48:51 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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Dear NYer,

I read it. I think it’s grossly inappropriate.

sitetest


27 posted on 08/15/2012 3:57:11 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest

Sometime near the end of the world, but before the rise of Antichrist, the world and the Church will be in a terrible state. Faith is greatly diminished and, well, let St. Nilus tell it. “There will be no respect for parents or elders, love will disappear, and Christian pastors, bishops, and priests will become vain men, completely failing to distinguish the right hand way from the left. At that time the morals and traditions of Christians and the Church will change. People will abandon modesty, and dissipation will reign. Falsehood and greed will attain great proportions, and woe to those who pile up treasures. Lust, adultery, homosexuality, secret deeds and murder will rule in society.” Well, that sure fits. But then what?

Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/blog/pat-archbold/catholic-prophecy-europe-and-the-return-of-the-king#ixzz23erlmSmO


28 posted on 08/15/2012 3:59:29 PM PDT by billys kid ("Bury me on my head for one day this world will be upside down." (Diogenes))
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To: NYer

This man stands for death. I need not know anything else.


29 posted on 08/15/2012 4:41:29 PM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Thanks for your post.

This is a tough decision; he either invites both or neither. The Church does not want to endorse one candidate over another. She does want to endorse or reject certain actions and principles by one candidate or another.

Every Catholic paying the least bit of attention knows their Church’s position and Cardinal Dolan has certainly spoken and acted in accord.

This event will occur shortly before the election and is an opportunity to bring the issue of religious freedom to the attention of the electorate -which is a good thing.

The two sides know where each other stands, this event will not change that.

I think it’s a tough decision and I’m ok with the invitation and the civility towards the office of the President.


30 posted on 08/15/2012 4:56:08 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: sitetest; NYer
Unfortunately I have to agree. This is indefensible. We are in the midst of a holocaust of biblical proportions (abortion) and marriage is under the greatest assault in the history of post-Christian western culture, and Obama is the architect of that assault. Furthermore, ObamaCare is to coerced euthanasia what Roe V Wade was to abortion. And Obama is to blame.

This is indefensible. There is no way to spin it, and no ridiculous spin by twisting scripture out of context to excuse it is acceptable.

Attempts to do so make us faithful Catholics look like as big a rube as Dolan.

This too is indefensible.

By the way, I'll be on EWTN radio Saturday afternoon 2:00-4:00 discussing euthanasia and ObamaCare.

If this situation with Dolan comes up, I'll be polite and respectful, but I will not engage in trying to spin it away as excusable.

31 posted on 08/15/2012 5:01:35 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM (Sin Makes You Stupid.)
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To: D-fendr; don-o; NYer
I have written to Archbishop Dolan 5 or 6 times now. It can't hurt. It might help. That, prayer, fasting: what's needed to cast out demons.

archbishop.dolan@archny.org

alsmithfoundation@archny.org

joseph.zwilling@archny.org

(Zwilling is Director of Communications for the Archdioese)

32 posted on 08/15/2012 5:02:47 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The first duty of intelligent men of our day is the restatement of the obvious." George Orwell)
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To: risen_feenix

I AM A PRACTICING CATHOLIC AND GIVE NOTHING TO THE CHURCH.I BECAME DISGUSTED WITH THE CARDINALS, BISHOPS,AND LOWER CLERGY REMAINING SILENT ABOUT PRO-ABORT POLITICIANS AND ABUSIVE CLERGY.I HEARD NOTHING ABOUT OBAMA WHEN HE WAS RUNNING.THE ROMAN CATHOLC CHURCH CLERGY IS A SOCIALISTIC DEMOCRATIC ORANIZATION AND I’M SURE THEY VOTE THAT WAY.THE ONLY TIME I HEARD ABOUT CARDINAL DOLAN WAS WHEN HE SPOKE ABOUT OBAMACARE AND THE MANDATES FOR CATHOLIC INSTITUTES.I ONLY SEE HIS REASON FOR INVITING OBAMA AS A CRUTCH AND I READ IT IN DISGUST.


33 posted on 08/15/2012 5:19:07 PM PDT by castlebar lass
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To: redgolum
In the US Catholic Church, does “social justice” trump abortion?

Fortunately there is no such animal as "the US Catholic Church." There is only the Catholic Church.

This "social justice seamless garment" lie was created out of whole cloth by an evil liberal dissenter cardinal who ruled the USCCB with an iron fist, and whose demonic influence over its bureaucracy obviously continues to this day from beyond the grave.

This seamless garment social justice claptrap is a Marxist ruse and its time for it to be mercilessly and wholly excised from the Church.

The USCCB was in bed with marxist socialists in supporting ObamaCare, yet Dolan was "surprised" when Obama made him look like a complete fool and went back on his word and coerced the Church to cover the abortifacients, contraceptives and sterilizations under the HHS mandate.

What kind of a fool would be surprised by this? And despite this, to then invite him to speak at this prestigious Catholic dinner?

Is Dolan going to act surprised when Obama spins this event too for his benefit with the Catholic voters?

Reprehensible.

Dear Cardinal Dolan,

Here is the only proper response to this administration:

"Defiance
How can we act to make the most of this situation. A glance at the city of Nowa Huta, Poland provides insight. Nowa Huta was described by Brian Whitmore of THE BOSTON GLOBE, as the place “...where George Orwell's dark vision of a perfect industrial metropolis was executed with stunning precision. Until, that is, the workers rose up and overthrew Big Brother"

In this grimy steel town the workers wanted a church. The communists said no. The Archbishop of Kraków, Karol Wojtyla, persisted and defiantly held Mass on the site for years. Workers replaced every cross removed or destroyed by the State. Eventually the State caved.

What is needed now is for our bishops and other religious administrators to publicly defy the mandate and keep the institutions open without compliance. We must not give these Marxists the opportunity to seize the assets of religious and charitable institutions.

Our duty, yours and mine, is to assist them, to encourage them by letters and prayers. But our duty extends far beyond this rally in effort and time. We must make ourselves loud enough to be heard. We must be vigorous and persistent in creating prayerful and lively sit-ins in our politicians offices. We need to wheedle , encourage, beg , plead - what-ever it takes - to get our bishops, rabbis, ministers and priests to get motivated to the point of action. We must help them understand that a single pastoral letter to the flock is worthless without the personal courage to lead from the front. We long ago passed from the diplomatic maneuverings of 1938 to the brutal fighting of Stalingrad.

What is needed is direct, forceful, definitive and ongoing actions by courageous and defiant religious and lay leaders.

We need to tell them we will be standing next to them, saying“I will go to jail with you!”
And above all we must pray daily, unceasingly, for the conversion and confounding of those whose word and deed threaten us and our nation with such malice. We have a right and duty to pray for our deliverance from evil."

34 posted on 08/15/2012 5:23:02 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM (Sin Makes You Stupid.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

There was a guy on Relevant radio today saying it was good tol invite Obama because it proves the Catholic church doesn’t just support Republicans. Kind of funny in a way.


35 posted on 08/15/2012 5:31:35 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: NYer; sitetest

At Archdiocesan Gala, No Room for Clinton or Dole

By JONATHAN P. HICKS
Published: August 23, 1996

For 50 years, it has been New York's most prestigious nonpolitical political event. And since John F. Kennedy and Richard M. Nixon took off their campaign gloves to attend the glittering dinner three weeks before the 1960 presidential election, most candidates for the nation's highest office have made the Alfred E. Smith Memorial Dinner a mandatory stop on the road to the White House.

But not this year.

The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of New York has not invited President Clinton or his Republican challenger, Bob Dole, to its $600-a-plate annual charity dinner at the Waldorf-Astoria hotel next month. It is the first Presidential election year since 1960 that the archdiocese has not invited the Democratic and Republican candidates. And there are conflicting explanations.

The dinner's organizers said that the candidates were unable to make firm commitments to attend, and so were not invited. But other archdiocesan officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said that the exclusion stemmed from John Cardinal O'Connor's annoyance at President Clinton's veto of a bill that would have outlawed certain late-term abortions. They added that Mr. Dole was not invited to keep the dinner from taking on a partisan tone.


36 posted on 08/15/2012 6:21:41 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM (Sin Makes You Stupid.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Thank you so much for presenting the picture of the courageous John Cardinal O’Connor.At this point the laity of the Catholic Church will probably have to picket the Al Smith dinner to show that Cardinal Dolan does not represent the vast majority of Church-going Catholics.Abortion is no laughing matter.Some even believe it is uncivil.


37 posted on 08/15/2012 6:58:01 PM PDT by ardara
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To: NYer

A real bad move inviting BO to the Al smith dinner.

Liberal media will use pics of them shaking hands to paint the picture...

...’see there’s really no animosity between church/state some of you are just paranoid’.

After 3 years his Excellency should properly conclude that BO stinks! Don’t make it any harder than it is.


38 posted on 08/16/2012 3:27:55 AM PDT by exPBRrat
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To: NYer

As opposed to your good scriptural examples, the Al Smith Dinner is not a forum for Cardinal Dolan to witness to tax collectors and sinners and expect that he won’t try. In this case it will be a forum for Pres. Obama to preen before the public demonstrating rightly or wrongly the church’s passivity.


39 posted on 08/16/2012 6:43:00 AM PDT by Enten (I don't have islamophobia...I do have islamonausea)
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