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Breakaway group seeks unity with Rome
Catholic Herald ^ | August 17, 2012 | David V. Barrett

Posted on 08/17/2012 8:39:18 AM PDT by NYer

Bishop David Bell meets Pope Benedict

Bishop David Bell meets Pope Benedict

The English leader of a breakaway traditionalist group has said that he wishes to be reconciled with the Catholic Church.

Bishop David Bell, 41, is head of the Society of Pope Leo XIII, which upholds the pre-Vatican II teachings of the Church, particularly the older form of the Tridentine Mass. The society claims to have 73 bishops and 500 priests, and to be responsible for congregations totalling 8.5 million people.

In the eyes of the Church Bishop Bell’s ordination as a bishop is valid but illicit; he was ordained by bishops with the Apostolic Succession and has passed this on to other bishops he has ordained, but all of this is without the sanction of the Catholic Church.

A report in the Italian newspaper La Stampa last week said that Bishop Bell, who calls himself Archbishop of London, had prepared a “curse” against Bishop Mario Meini of the Diocese of Fiesole, Italy, but he said that this was incorrect.

“I issued a decree of anathema because he said I wasn’t a bishop. Only the Holy See can make such a declaration,” he said.

Bishop Bell met Pope Benedict XVI at a Wednesday audience in June 2011 and kissed his hand. “How did I meet the Holy Father? I asked,” he said, stressing that he applied to meet him as head of the Society of Pope Leo XIII.

He said that he accepts the infallibility of the Pope. “We don’t speak out against the Holy See,” he said, emphasising that doctrinally they are close to the Church. “As far as we are concerned there’s very little difference at all,” he said. The one important point is the Tridentine Mass, which Pope Benedict has brought to greater prominence in the Church.

Bishop Bell confirmed that the Society of Pope Leo XIII is “in talks” with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. “The Holy See has held private talks with illicit bishops for hundreds of years,” he said.

He accepted that if they were to come back into full communion they would have to accept the authority of the Church. “We intend to bend, to work more closely with Rome,” he said. He said that talks had already been held with officials at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

He said that if and when he would accepted back he will be a titular bishop only, without any episcopal power within the Church, and accepts that “my hands will be tied unless or until the Holy See decides otherwise”.
“It is a long journey and will take a long time,” he said.



TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: catholic; davidbell; ecclesiadei; societyofpopeleoxiii; tlm; traditionalmass; tridentinemass; uk; vatican

1 posted on 08/17/2012 8:39:28 AM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 08/17/2012 8:40:26 AM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer

Seventy-three bishops?!

I thought only the Old Catholics did that.


3 posted on 08/17/2012 9:08:47 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I love to hear you talk talk talk, but I hate what I hear you say."-Del Shannon)
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To: NYer
Bishop Bell, who calls himself Archbishop of London

I wonder why he stopped there.
Why not Primate of England, Scotland, Ireland and British Dominions Across the Sea?

4 posted on 08/17/2012 9:16:56 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: NYer

Hey NYER is same group that allied with Mel Gibson LOL!


5 posted on 08/17/2012 9:31:19 AM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: SevenofNine

This is excellent news. It’s amazing what happens when you’re willing to put God first.

I hope they pass the SSPX folks on the side. :D


6 posted on 08/17/2012 9:34:45 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: JCBreckenridge

I wonder why the sudden capitulation to modernism and ecumenism? Too much time in faddish and multicultural Great Britain? I think SSPX is in a stronger position here from God’s perspective.


7 posted on 08/17/2012 9:55:05 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: steve86

It’s a matter of obedience, and humility, so no, SSPX might never get there.


8 posted on 08/17/2012 10:15:25 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: NYer
... 73 bishops and 500 priests, and to be responsible for congregations totalling 8.5 million people

Really?

9 posted on 08/17/2012 12:10:08 PM PDT by Tax-chick (It's not poetic justice, but it's something awfully close to it.)
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It’s a matter of obedience, and humility

Well, I'm glad to hear that a Catholic can dump Mass altogether and join a Kundalini Yoga commune and if he or she is still humble and obedient, all if OK.

10 posted on 08/17/2012 12:43:34 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: steve86

Just because other people are disobedient doesn’t justify you being disobedient.

If those who were formerly disobeient cease and return, then yes, they should be forgiven just as anyone else who repents should be forgiven.

I don’t have a problem with bringing SSPX in - I’d love to see them in. What troubles me is that they are putting conditions. That’s not the spirit of obedience is it? “I will obey only if I don’t have to change what I’m doing.”


11 posted on 08/17/2012 1:11:54 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: NYer

bumpus ad summum


12 posted on 08/17/2012 4:57:34 PM PDT by Dajjal (Justice Robert Jackson was wrong -- the Constitution IS a suicide pact.)
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To: steve86
I wonder why the sudden capitulation to modernism and ecumenism?

Do we know that? It is more likely that the Roman Curia is testing new grounds in rolling back at least the most scandalous fruits of Vatican II, now that the discussion with SSPX is on hold.

I think it is good news, or at least there is no reason to automatically view this as capitulation of modernism. In any event the desire to unite with the Holy See is merely something they share with SSPX.

13 posted on 08/17/2012 6:05:05 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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we should wish david bell happy anniversary on the 14 September, as he celebrates his wedding anniversary to his male partner. 5 years as a civil couple. Wonder if the Vatican knows this yet?

The happy couple ‘tied the knot’ here in bonnie scotland, but we scottish catholics are more mainstream and don’t generally like such un-christian behaviour.


14 posted on 08/27/2012 3:35:05 PM PDT by Finbar_the_scot
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To: Finbar_the_scot
First things, first ....

Welcome to Free Republic!

I have been following the actions of your Cardinal O'Brien and give him ....

The Telegraph ran this story today ...

Gay marriage plans condemned in church services

Your comments reinforce the good cardinal's stance and that is both consoling and comforting for those of us who fight the same battle here in the states. I have visited your country and enjoyed the beauty of Scotland and its natives.

Thank you for the post and ping! God speed!

15 posted on 08/27/2012 3:48:17 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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