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Catholic Group Prays for Paul Ryan’s ‘Conversion’
Wall Street Journal ^ | 08/17/2012 | Alicia Mundy

Posted on 08/17/2012 2:18:49 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Rep. Paul Ryan has been taking flak from church groups – including the relatively conservative U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops and the somewhat more liberal group Nuns on the Bus—because his budget could cut money from programs for the poor and elderly.

Now a group of fellow Catholics from his home state of Wisconsin, including some Franciscan Friars, are calling for the vice presidential hopeful’s “conversion.” The group launched a website, PrayforPaulsChangeofHeart.org, that asks visitors to “Please pray for Paul Ryan, a devout Catholic, to have a change of heart on the federal budget.” It includes a special Rosary prayer to St. Paul, “the great convert,” to bring about a transformation in the anti-deficit Republican.

The website also seeks prayers for Vice President Joe Biden, a Catholic who supports abortion rights. And the organizers say their prayers are going out “for President Obama, Governor Romney and all our national leaders, that their hearts may be moved to give greater priority to the well-being of the poor and most vulnerable, both the born and preborn.”

Mr. Ryan’s spokesman did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholicpoliticians; conversion; paulryan; religiousleft

1 posted on 08/17/2012 2:18:53 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Anti deficit? Really? Did I read that right? That’s a bad thing?


2 posted on 08/17/2012 2:22:31 PM PDT by barmag25
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To: SeekAndFind
And just where in Jesus's teachings does He teach or command Paul Ryan, or any representative in power in government, in the name of "charity," to coercively "take" the fruits of the labor of one man/woman or group of men/women in order to buy approval and votes from those who make up the latter group?
3 posted on 08/17/2012 2:28:12 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: SeekAndFind

Another reason I don’t call myself a Catholic.


4 posted on 08/17/2012 2:30:40 PM PDT by wastedyears (The First Law of Heavy Metal: Not all metal is satanic.)
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To: barmag25
Anti deficit?

Funny...the little old Nuns that taught us back in grade school taught warned us of many sins -- but I don't recall being anti-deficit as one of them.

5 posted on 08/17/2012 2:32:41 PM PDT by rhinohunter (DraftWalkerNow)
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To: SeekAndFind
And just where in Jesus's teachings does He teach or command Paul Ryan, or any representative in power in government, in the name of "charity," to coercively "take" the fruits of the labor of one man/woman or group of men/women in order to buy approval and votes from those who make up the latter group?
6 posted on 08/17/2012 2:33:06 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: SeekAndFind

Yet another group of squishy ‘Catholics’ who have fallen for the liberal lie that welfare = charity. I would love to see my fellow Catholics band together and follow the teachings of the Church.


7 posted on 08/17/2012 2:34:40 PM PDT by sbwordman (The most important thing a man can do for his kids is to love their mother.)
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To: SeekAndFind

So the Cafeteria Catholics are all pissed off about Ryan being a Deficit Hawk, well boo de frickin hoo.

They can go eat host and drink sacramental wine for all I care.

They are nothing more but an extension of the Liberal Catholics that needs to be expunged from the church.


8 posted on 08/17/2012 2:39:40 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: SeekAndFind

WRONG on all counts. The USCCB (Conference of Catholic Bishops) is controlled by social justice Obama leftists. The bishops are pawns in their hands.

Ryan’s own bishop came out in defense of his budget proposals.

And if you were listening to any of the proceedings of the most recent Bishops’ conference, you would have heard a number of bishops get up and publicly admonish Bishop Blaire of Stockton (not by name) for criticising Ryan’s bugdet in the name of ALL the bishops when they, in fact, had not done so. It was the staff at USCCB who issued the criticism.

Everyone must understand that the USCCB is controlled by a small group of leftist Democrats who are trying to hijack the Church just like the leftists have hijacked the Democrat party itself.


9 posted on 08/17/2012 2:43:12 PM PDT by veritas2002
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To: SeekAndFind
These people are NOT Catholics. They are Democrat political activists masquerading as Catholics. They are spreading the lie that corrupt government programs that bankrupt our country are in some way good and moral.

Like all institutions in America today the Catholic church is infiltrated by evil people. They condone homosexuality and corrupt politicians. They hide behind lies and false statements. They are not Catholics. It is as simple as that.

10 posted on 08/17/2012 2:51:58 PM PDT by detective
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To: veritas2002

What is stopping the bishops from firing the out-of-control leftards hijacking the USCCB?


11 posted on 08/17/2012 2:52:49 PM PDT by WMarshal (Free citizen, never a subject or a civilian)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Thou Shalt Not Covet”.


12 posted on 08/17/2012 2:53:27 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I went to PrayforPaulsChangeofHeart.org and found this post which runs an ad for Catholic Relief Services:

http://www.prayforpaulschangeofheart.org/what-s-happening/urgesenatorkohltoprotectthesafebox

Then this morning I viewed Michael Voris' new video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Vmy5EBh0-Cg#!

It's safe to say many people are confused (me, very much included). The Catholic Church keeps giving money to those who give money to pro-abort/pro-contraception organizations.

As far as Ryan's plan, I thought he wanted the Church to step in and help with the poor, instead of draining the government. Am I wrong?
13 posted on 08/17/2012 2:53:27 PM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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To: wastedyears

RE: Another reason I don’t call myself a Catholic.

Just because someone calls himself a Catholic does not necessarily mean that he speaks for the church.

Count some “Catholics” who call themselves that but are pro-gay marriage and pro-abortion (including supporting a mandate that forces Catholic organizations to pay for contraception ):

Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, Joe Biden, Kathleen Sebelius, etc.


14 posted on 08/17/2012 2:59:43 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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To: barmag25

Catholics and others - good works will never get you to heaven


15 posted on 08/17/2012 3:02:38 PM PDT by YukonGreen
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To: mlizzy

” I thought he wanted the Church to step in and help with the poor, instead of draining the government.”

This is a dead idea among most churches these days unless you visit Amish country. They are all into building glass cathedrals of self aggrandizement. If you look successful you must be good. If you want to have someone help someone donate to the Salvation Army.


16 posted on 08/17/2012 3:14:32 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We're an Oligrachy...Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SeekAndFind
Rep. Paul Ryan has been taking flak from church groups – including the relatively conservative U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops and the somewhat more liberal group Nuns on the Bus—because his budget could cut money from programs for the poor and elderly.

These "catholics" want to STEAL money from others
so they can claim that they have provided Charity for the poor.

They need to seek YHvH in His WORD !

They are on the wide road to destruction.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
17 posted on 08/17/2012 3:29:20 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: barmag25

Who is against the poor? I am just against sending money to the poor via Wash DC. Who is against teachers and Cops? I just do not want the money to be washed through DC.


18 posted on 08/17/2012 3:34:27 PM PDT by HChampagne
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To: SeekAndFind
"Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, and unto God that which is God's."
- Jesus Christ

Since essentially everything is God's, I interpret this to mean that the vast majority of what we have should be used to do God's work, with government doing only the minimum that we are forced to permit it to do. Unless these Catholics are claiming that the federal government is the best judge of God's Will, or that there is just as much virtue in paying taxes to support Pelosi's bizarre agenda as there is in doing God's work on your own, I suspect they are confused. I would recommend additional Bible study for these misinformed nuns and Franciscans.

19 posted on 08/17/2012 3:41:21 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: SeekAndFind

OMG!! They are an EMBARRASSMENT!


20 posted on 08/17/2012 3:43:57 PM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: YukonGreen

No, that;s why we are BAPTIZED!!


21 posted on 08/17/2012 3:45:43 PM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ah yes. Another bunch of Obama dupes but these are Catholics. What a joke. Some even are Franciscans. Yet, they certainly do not lead the lifestyle preached and followed by St. Francis of Assisi. In fact, most Franciscan Friars lead a rather comfortable life. Just maybe they should cut back on their high living styles and donate that money to the IRS. Never going to happen. I am also willing to bet these same Catholics have no use for Pope Benedict.


22 posted on 08/17/2012 3:50:26 PM PDT by CdMGuy
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To: veritas2002

“including the relatively conservative U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops “

Amen on your comments. The staff at the USCCB are mostly far-out leftists, frequently former Democrat staffers. Since they control the agenda for the bishops who are a.) mostly off doing their day job, and b.) from Democrat family backgrounds dating back to the immigrant periods and blue collar origins of Catholics before they advanced up the ladder of success.

A Pope Benedict would be more comfortable with Paul Ryan than these democrat apostates masquerading as Catholics, like Biden, Leahy, Mikulski, the Kennedys, and Pelosi.


23 posted on 08/17/2012 3:52:24 PM PDT by oldbill
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To: SeekAndFind

Did they also ask for prayers for biden the pro abortion “Catholic”, if that is even possible.


24 posted on 08/17/2012 4:02:37 PM PDT by italianquaker ( 17 percent of the tea partiers support barry obama, the fox poll said so lol)
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To: oldbill
A Pope Benedict would be more comfortable with Paul Ryan than these democrat apostates masquerading as Catholics, like Biden, Leahy, Mikulski, the Kennedys, and Pelosi.

Now I understand. Maybe it's time for Jesus to drive the money changers (unfaithful) from the temple (again), I'd settle for Timothy Dolan cleaning house (bell, book, and candle)!

Regards,
GtG

25 posted on 08/17/2012 4:08:58 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: YukonGreen

And faith without works is dead.


26 posted on 08/17/2012 4:16:15 PM PDT by RPTMS
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To: SeekAndFind

Having a third party confiscate the property of one citizen and give it to another citizen who has no claim on that property is an act of charity.


27 posted on 08/17/2012 4:23:41 PM PDT by windsorknot
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To: WMarshal

testicles


28 posted on 08/17/2012 4:26:30 PM PDT by veritas2002
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To: SeekAndFind

Is it proper for Catholics to pray that God makes someone agree with your political point of view?


29 posted on 08/17/2012 4:31:34 PM PDT by DManA
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To: wastedyears
These people are only CINOs. Don't worry about them. In fact, pray for them to be converted to the truth.

Paul Ryan has already been converted -- Perhaps Ryan's Bishop will speak to these wayward thinkers.

Paul Ryan’s Bishop Defends Him Amid Attacks on His Application of Church Teaching
Paul Ryan, Catholic Who Looks to Church's Social Teaching, Tapped as Romney Running Mate
The other Ryan: the candidate’s wife, Janna
Paul Ryan, Joe Biden, and Liberal False Equivalence
Ryan as VP Pick Continues Election Year Focus on Catholicism
Paul Ryan Faces Left-Wing Religious Attack
Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Holiness (Paul Ryan)
Paul Ryan: Midwesterner, Catholic, intellectual

30 posted on 08/17/2012 4:51:44 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: wastedyears
Um... I'm not sure I get your position. Let's see:

And your conclusion is, Here's another reason not to call yourself a Catholic?

How does that follow?

31 posted on 08/17/2012 4:54:13 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The Holy Catholic Church: the more Catholic it is, the more Holy it is.")
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To: wastedyears
These people are only CINOs. Don't worry about them. In fact, pray for them to be converted to the truth.

Paul Ryan has already been converted -- Perhaps Ryan's Bishop will speak to these wayward thinkers.

Paul Ryan’s Bishop Defends Him Amid Attacks on His Application of Church Teaching
Paul Ryan, Catholic Who Looks to Church's Social Teaching, Tapped as Romney Running Mate
The other Ryan: the candidate’s wife, Janna
Paul Ryan, Joe Biden, and Liberal False Equivalence
Ryan as VP Pick Continues Election Year Focus on Catholicism
Paul Ryan Faces Left-Wing Religious Attack
Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Holiness (Paul Ryan)
Paul Ryan: Midwesterner, Catholic, intellectual

32 posted on 08/17/2012 4:56:06 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: DManA
"Is it proper for Catholics to pray that God makes someone agree with your political point of view?"

Now, there's an interesting question.

The general rule is: anthing you can legitimately want, you can legitimately pray for.

I don't think praying for someone ever hurts them --- I mean, it's a blameless act, even if you're going about it wrong-headedly.

But this tendency to simply encode one's "agenda" by casting it in the form of a prayer --- especially in public --- is more than a little problematic.

I think that's one reason why, when people are allowed to simply pipe up about whatever they want in the the "Prayers for the Faithful" part of the Mass, it can get pretty embarrassing. It's either planks of the Democractic and Repblican platforms clashing together like crossed swords, or personal stuff that shouldn't be broached out loud. You can imagine something like, "I pray that Joe Smith may propose to me," vs. "I pray that Joe Smith may propose to ME!"

Maybe that's why they've gotten back to just having the priest read it all by the book, instead ... :o/

33 posted on 08/17/2012 5:22:21 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The Holy Catholic Church: the more Catholic it is, the more Holy it is.")
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To: SeekAndFind
Now a group of fellow Catholics from his home state of Wisconsin, including some Franciscan Friars, are calling for the vice presidential hopeful’s “conversion.” The group launched a website, PrayforPaulsChangeofHeart.org, that asks visitors to “Please pray for Paul Ryan, a devout Catholic, to have a change of heart on the federal budget.” It includes a special Rosary prayer to St. Paul, “the great convert,” to bring about a transformation in the anti-deficit Republican. The website also seeks prayers for Vice President Joe Biden, a Catholic who supports abortion rights. And the organizers say their prayers are going out “for President Obama, Governor Romney and all our national leaders, that their hearts may be moved to gi

This is Rape Prayer, not real prayer. This is misusing the concept of prayer as a political shaming propaganda technique, and as such, it is a sin, promoted by liars and hypocrites.

34 posted on 08/17/2012 5:24:41 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I am a pretty good Catholic and I would advise these groups to donate their TAX FREE DOLLARS to further their leftist nonsense!!!


35 posted on 08/17/2012 7:03:26 PM PDT by terycarl (lurking, but well informed)
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To: YukonGreen
Catholics and others - good works will never get you to heaven

didn't James mention something like faith without good works is meaningless???

36 posted on 08/17/2012 7:07:25 PM PDT by terycarl (lurking, but well informed)
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To: wastedyears

“Another reason I don’t call myself a Catholic.”

I call myself a Catholic. This is NOT Catholic dogma.

In fact, I heard a bishop on EWTN Catholic Shortwave radio say he met with Paul Ryan, and Paul Ryan is trying to help out his country. I believe this bishop was the bishop in Paul Ryan’s diocese. Not all bishops, priests, et al agree on the same thing, unless it is dogma or an intrinsic evil. They are individuals.


37 posted on 08/17/2012 7:55:28 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Salvation

Thanks for your post #32. I just commented on the first link. I hope folks will click at least one, or two, of your links and get all sides, instead of knee-jerk reactions.


38 posted on 08/17/2012 8:00:26 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: SeekAndFind
So tired of the social gospel heritics. Leftist politicians in black robes.
39 posted on 08/17/2012 8:18:55 PM PDT by Judge Kovitzky (Eat more chicken.)
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To: YukonGreen
Just as the Church teaches, God's grace gets one to heaven.

However, the manifestation of the gift of that grace in one's life will be judged upon death. Any gift can be used properly or improperly. If you didn't walk the walk in this life then you won't make it to the next one, just as Scripture and the Church teaches.

41 posted on 08/18/2012 8:16:27 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: SeekAndFind

Just another reason for people to wake up and realize that religion is no more than just another means of control.

Rev 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.


42 posted on 08/18/2012 2:21:25 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: wastedyears

Because individuals want to pray for something (even if it is misguided as in this case)? sheesh... These people don’t understand economics and why government should be smaller, but they are at least praying for what they think should be done, not organizing demonstrations. it’s a free country for even fools like this to pray for big government


43 posted on 08/20/2012 2:55:29 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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