Not really rebaptized, but baptized into Christianity.
Posted on 08/18/2012 5:28:28 PM PDT by delacoert
Mitt Romney's choice of Paul Ryan as his vice presidential candidate makes 2012 the first time in American history that a major party has run a ticket without a Protestant on it. Romney is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and Ryan is a Roman Catholic.
Have Mormons and Catholics always gotten along as well as the Republican running mates appear to?
No. The root of the conflict is doctrinal. The premise of the Book of Mormon is that the Bible is a corrupt and incomplete account of God's revelation — an implicit criticism of Catholic doctrine. The Book of Mormon also makes reference to an evil "church which is most abominable above all other churches," described more colorfully as "the mother of harlots." Although the Book of Mormon does not identify this evil institution as the Catholic Church, many Mormons have believed the two to be one and the same since the publication of the Book of Mormon in 1830.
Despite their doctrinal differences, Mormons and Catholics cohabited peacefully in Utah in the 19th century — but leaders of the two churches began passive-aggressively sniping at one another in the 20th century. In the late 1910s, Salt Lake City Catholic Bishop Joseph Sarsfield Glass commissioned murals in the Cathedral of the Madeleine that incorporated Bible passages that could easily be read as criticisms of Mormonism, including a line from St. Paul's letter to the Galatians that describes any alternate gospel as "anathema."
And in the 1930s and 1940s, a Catholic radio program and a Catholic pamphlet titled "A 'Foreign Mission' Close to Home!" convinced Mormon leaders — mistakenly — that Catholics were trying to convert Mormons to Catholicism.
Mormon mistrust of the Roman Catholic Church came to a head with the 1958 publication of Bruce McConkie's encyclopedia-like "Mormon Doctrine," which was not an official LDS publication, though McConkie was a low-ranking church leader. McConkie's entry for Catholicism simply referred readers to another entry called "Church of the Devil," which explicitly identified the Roman Catholic Church as being "most abominable above all other churches."
McConkie's book so upset the Catholic bishop of Salt Lake City that he visited the LDS church president in tears, which convinced the LDS leader to rein in anti-Catholic sentiment. Derogatory references to the Catholic Church were removed from later editions of "Mormon Doctrine," which is now out of print, and Mormon-Catholic relations in Utah became much friendlier in the 1960s and thereafter.
The most notable recent Mormon-Catholic clash came in 2001, when the Vatican began requiring Mormons who converted to Catholicism to be rebaptized — a move that implicitly called into question the Christian bona fides of the Mormon church. But the past decade has been a time of alliance between the churches, with Mormon and Catholic leaders coming together to fight gay marriage in Hawaii and California and to stand against perceived government encroachments on religious freedoms — stances that align with the Romney-Ryan platform.
No. The root of the conflict is doctrinal.
A little light on the subject.
Do Black Liberation Marxists get along with Northeast Pro Abort Catholics?
Dear Nr. Anderson:
Where were you when Obama’s “pastor” was g.ddam.ing America?
To Christianity.
I don’t recall the media asking how Baptist Al Gore got along with his “Christ Killer” Jewish running mate.
Not really rebaptized, but baptized into Christianity.
The difference is that Christianity and Judaism, are real.
Scientology and Mormonism, are not.
It is kind of weird. America has two Presidential choices, a candidate whose religion was founded by a polygamist, and wrote a Holy Book, that anyone who has FAITH must except as truth, that only his religion is the one true way to God. Let’s see now, ‘eh...what is our other choice’...I mean the candidate who represents all of the REST of us who are the vast majority? Something smells rotten in Denmark.
Freaky election, traditional marriage being defended as God’s unbreakable rule, will have representing it, one of Joseph Smith’s Bishops of a direct line serving Smith from the original followers, that is Joseph Smith of Vermont with about 50 wives.
First of all Mormons are Christians. Their religion satisfies the foundation of Christianity like any other.
1. That Jesus was our savior and died for our sins. There is now route to heaven except through him.
2. Baptism.
3. That the people must repent their sins and ask for forgiveness.
That being said there are 2 types of Christianity. Yes only 2 not more and no less.
Type 1: Catholicism
Type 2: Protestism.
Therefore Mormons are Protestants. Simple. Problem solved.
In fact I believe that Mormons (I’m not for sure) but I believe they self identify as Protestant.
We’ve had three Unitarians as President. They weren’t Christians either. Nothing remarkable in any of their administrations.
No Christian church agrees with you, they all agree that Mormonism is not Christian, the Protestants, the Catholic church, the Greek Orthodox, all agree on that.
Wow, what a pant-load.
Research the word Protestant and you will find it breaks down to two roots.
1. Pro
2. Teste
Together it meant to testify for, and in this case it means to testify for Christ, not Mary.
You couldn't be more wrong, Mormons do not testify for Christ.
Right. And Catholic is about a protein database and a soccer player.
Wrong. By the way, junior, you ought to do a little research into Luther's devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary.
prot·es·tant noun
\ˈprä-təs-tənt, 2 is also prə-ˈtes-\
1 capitalized a: any of a group of German princes and cities presenting a defense of freedom of conscience against an edict of the Diet of Spires in 1529 intended to suppress the Lutheran movement b: a member of any of several church denominations denying the universal authority of the Pope and affirming the Reformation principles of justification by faith alone, the priesthood of all believers, and the primacy of the Bible as the only source of revealed truth; broadly: a Christian not of a Catholic or Eastern church
2: one who makes or enters a protest
Research a little deeper “junior”
And your reply is as about intelligent as a frog on a log.
Test, teste = test- witness Latin testis testament, testimony
Ant, anti = ant-, anti- against, opposed to, preventive Greek ἀντί anti "against" antagonist, antibiotic, antipodes
Can you add those together , "junior"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Greek_and_Latin_roots_in_English
So you want people to be led by you to thinking that Mormons are Protestant Christians?
So say those who spend their time lying drunk beside logs looking at frogs.
Why should I care??
Freerepublic has many Christians, they care about Christianity.
If I am not mistaken -- the Mormon baptism does not contain the full baptism that the Catholic Church does.
On Infant Baptism and the Complete Gratuity of Salvation
Parents: Don’t Delay Baptism for your Infants!
One Baptism for the Remission of Sins/The Sacrament of Baptism {Ecumenical thread)
Radio Replies Second Volume - The Sacraments [Baptism]
Baptism and Infant Baptism
"Baptism Now Saves You" - Nuts & Bolts - Tim Staples
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Baptism: Initiation and Regeneration
Are Catholics “Born Again?”
Baptizing infants, Pope speaks of 'adventure of being disciples'
Celebrate Your Birthday in the Church
Infant Baptism
Once a Catholic . . . (and part 2) . . . The Chicken's Questions
How Soon Should a Baby be Baptized?
Baptismal Complexes- The Sacrament of Baptism, Part 2
The Catechism of St. Thomas Aquinas BAPTISM
Beginning Catholic: The Sacrament of Baptism: Gateway to New Life [Ecumenical]
Converted Muslim Tells Story Behind Papal Baptism
What You [Catholics] Need to Know: Baptism [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
A Brief Catechism for Adults - Lesson 20: The Sacrament of Baptism
Baptism and the Usus Antiquior (Catholic/Orthodox Caucus)
Justified by Baptism (fallout from the Beckwith conversion grows)
The Million-Dollar Infant Baptism
Mystical Baptism and Limbo
The Early Church Fathers on Baptism - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
A Critique of a Critique (On Baptism by Immersion)
Catholics, Reformed Christian Churches sign document recognizing common baptism
It took all those links to say that?
Read my post again, I said that already, Mormon baptism is not a Christian baptism like the Christian denominations.
Here is what I posted. “Not really rebaptized, but baptized into Christianity.”
LDS teaching is Biblical. It is a matter of choice and interpretation. Christian churches don’t vote on who is and isn’t Christian. That authority rests only with Jesus Christ.
Thanks for all you’re doing to help my re-election.
- Barak
So is the gay poofters book, since it's all a matter if interpretation.
Your intellect is a real asset to FR...not.
Get lost punk.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
You mean “of interpretation”, but your slip is telling. “If” is a word few people ever take action on. They mostly just go along with what someone has told them. Thinking for yourself is too hard, but then that’s why we’re a conservative. We like to think for ourselves.
Is it baptism that makes it Christian? What makes a baptism a Christian baptism?
Post 15 looks like it has all the sources on how Christian churches explain why Mormonism is not part of Christianity.
This article’s about politics, not theology.
LOL, you should read it again, it is about religion, Mormonism and Catholicism.
That is why we are in Religion, not Politics.
Yes. I hit the "i" key instead of the "o" key.
" your slip is telling."
No.
Why would the baptism not count?
This Catholic source explains it.
Full Question: Why doesn’t the Catholic Church accept Mormon baptism?
Answer:
The Catholic Church does not recognize Mormon baptism as valid because, although Mormons and Catholics use the same words, those words have completely unrelated meanings for each religion. The Mormon’s very concept of God is infinitely different from that of Christians—even though they call themselves the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
Mormons believe that God is only one of many gods who were once men and that each of us in turn can become what God is now. This process of men becoming gods is said to go back infinitely. But of course none of these gods can be infinite if they are multiple and had a beginning and are actually human beings. In Mormons’ view, both Jesus and the Father are what we would call glorified creatures.
They also believe that Jesus came into existence after the Father, and that the Father and the Son are not one in being. Thus, although they use the phrase “the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,” in their usage this phrase takes on a meaning that is actually polytheistic and pagan rather than trinitarian.
For an in-depth look at this, see the books Inside Mormonism and When Mormons Call by Isaiah Bennett, available from Catholic Answers. For a shorter but equally incisive take, see Fr. Brian Harrison’s two-part series on Mormonism in the April and May-June 2003 issues of This Rock.
Answered by: Catholic Answers Staff
“LDS teaching is Biblical. It is a matter of choice and interpretation. Christian churches don’t vote on who is and isn’t Christian. That authority rests only with Jesus Christ.”
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All Christians (Catholic, Eastern and Protestant) agree,
Mormonism is not Christian. They deny Our Lord is God!
may I ask, are you LDS?
“First of all Mormons are Christians. Their religion satisfies the foundation of Christianity like any other.
1. That Jesus was our savior and died for our sins. There is now route to heaven except through him.”
Mormons believe that Jesus died to satisfy original sin, that there are sins which cannot be forgiven or satisfied by Christ’s sacrifice and that one must pull oneself up from the boot straps in order to attain godhood. The Mormons do not believe that Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven. They believe in multiple levels of heaven which you go to depending on how bad you were. They baptize people after death so they can have a chance to go to one of these lesser heavens. They do have a “outer darkness,” their version of hell, but even that is not permanent and it is possible for people to work their way back up. Of course, only the faithful Mormon during life is able to enter the Celestial heaven, the highest level, where “eternal life” is defined by the Mormon as meaning “godhood,” and an eternal progression into higher and higher forms of godliness. For example, having your own planet, mass producing your own spirit children, and receiving worship.
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“2. Baptism.
Mormons believe they have the one and true Baptism under the assertion that Joseph Smith sits on the right hand of God and not Christ. This is why they are called a religious cult and not a Christian religion.
When you say they agree what do they agree on? My question was what makes a baptism by a Christian legitimate?
It is funny calling you St Pio. My friend has had several visitations from St. Pio, cigar, stigmata and all.
So despite not needing Orders to baptize and despite baptizing in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost an LDS baptism isn't valid because they reject the Trinity, correct?
What about divinization, deification or theosis?
How is time measured in eternity?
I think that you need to take that up, with the Catholics.
Which question can’t you answer? Don’t you know and understand eternity, baptism or deification?
Here’s the reason I’m asking:
http://www.lds.org/topics/plan-of-salvation
I found it in a search for “eternity”.
Good point. Unfortunately some will take the bait anyway.
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