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Boy Scouts had to fight with Catholic priests to remove gay leader from Catholic scout troop?
LSN ^ | 8.21.2012 | Ben Johnson

Posted on 08/21/2012 9:44:44 AM PDT by Morgana

LOUISVILLE, August 20, 2012, ( –The Boy Scouts of America (BSA) have assured a homosexual will no longer act as an assistant scoutmaster at a Catholic church’s troop. But he will continue to lead Our Lady of Lourdes Catholic Church’s Girl Scout troop.

“I am finding it increasingly difficult to keep a low profile and stay ‘in the closet’ with the Boy Scouts,” Greg Bourke, 54, wrote in a letter to the Lincoln Heritage Council on June 22.

Bourke said he had “become increasingly uncomfortable with the don’t ask, don’t tell policy of the Boy Scouts…I feel like it’s hateful and I don’t approve of it.”

In response to his letter, Commissioner J. McFerran “Mac” Barr II asked Bourke to resign from the Catholic church’s BSA troop, where he had volunteered for the last five years.

Bourke told local media after he refused to resign, the council contacted the church’s priest, Fr. Scott Wimsett, and later Fr. Jeff Gatlin, the Scouting liaison for the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Louisville.

Bourke claimed both refused to remove him from his Boy Scout post. He stepped aside only after the Boy Scouts threatened to revoke the church’s scouting charter.

However, he will remain a leader in Girl Scout troop 1575, which also meets at Our Lady of Lourdes Roman Catholic Church in Louisville. The Girl Scouts support homosexual leadership. “I do believe it’s time for the Boy Scouts to come in to the current century,” said Girl Scouts of Kentuckiana CEO Lora Tucker.

Cecelia Price, a spokeswoman for the Archdiocese of Louisville, said in a media statement that the Church expects “adult leaders — whether heterosexual or with same-sex attraction — in any ministry strive to lead chaste lives.”

According to the Louisville Courier-Journal, Bourke “said he and his partner attend Our Lady of Lourdes, and it is widely known that they are gay.”

Bourke has lived with another man for 30 years. They have adopted two children.

The Supreme Court upheld the Boy Scouts’ right to set membership criteria as a private organization in a June 2000 ruling, and the scouts reaffirmed their policy on July 17.

Mitt Romney, who served on the organization’s executive board, said, “I feel that all people should be able to participate in the Boy Scouts regardless of their sexual orientation” during a 1994 debate with Ted Kennedy. Campaign spokeswoman Andrea Saul confirmed earlier this month that, while he opposes the BSA’s scouting policy, he has not pressured the group to change its stance.

Other adversaries resorted to force. In 2011, the Missouri PTA has asked its 420 affiliates to sever ties with the BSA because of its stance on homosexuality; and in 2007, Philadelphia’s City Council voted to end a 70-year lease over the policy.

Rev. Donald E. Overton, an Episcopalian priest in Lousiville, vouched for Bourke’s leadership. “We have to encourage a change at the highest level,” he said.

But Boy Scouts of America’s chief Scout executive Bob Mazzuca said parents appreciate its policy, which gives them the “right to address issues of same-sex orientation within their family, with spiritual advisers, and at the appropriate time and in the right setting.”

To respectfully contact the Archdiocese of Louisville:

TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: boyscouts; catholic; homosexualagenda; kentucky
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1 posted on 08/21/2012 9:44:48 AM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

Shame on those Girl Scout mothers who think 2 gay men represent the best role models to lead their Girl Scout troop. So much for developing female leadership.

Just eccch.

2 posted on 08/21/2012 9:57:14 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Morgana
The parishioners could take up a collection to pay Greg Bourke's tuition at a flight attendant academy.
3 posted on 08/21/2012 10:01:25 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Morgana

.......and no smarty alecky remarks about what kind of merit badges you can earn in that troop either......ya wisenheimes-freepers ya.../s

4 posted on 08/21/2012 10:02:03 AM PDT by jimsin (B)
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To: silverleaf

Agreed! What does a twelve or thirteen year old do when she is at camp and gets her first period, and there’s no woman leader to talk to?

5 posted on 08/21/2012 10:03:08 AM PDT by kitkat
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To: Morgana
The BSA is a private, voluntary, organization, period. If the BSA want’s to keep predator pedophiles, homosexuals, and their PC enablers out, more power to them! The afore mentioned monsters are literally the monsters at the gates, trying to force their way in. The best people can do is support the BSA in their beliefs, and prevent the atrocities that the leftists are trying to perpetrate upon such a time honored institution.
6 posted on 08/21/2012 10:04:03 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Morgana

I recently chastised a young niece of mine, when she so strongly objected to a Christian school’s dismissal of a self-idenitied “gay” teacher. She used terms like “his first amendment rights” and “freedom of speech and thought”, and suggested that what the school did should be considered illegal.

I patiently asked her - what about the “first amendment rights” of the school, to adhere to it’s religious faith and practice. I suggested she back off of her idea that the law should be brought to bear on the case, even if she disagreed wth the school’s policy.

I asked her - if the school did not have a right to it’s opinion, then whose opinions are free from becoming “illegal” just ‘cause enough people say so. She saw my point, agreeing that the school had a legal right to it’s policy.

I just want to remind everyone:

So does the BSA, and guess what, so do private organizations that disagree with the BSA.

We can feel betrayed by our own religious organizations that do not live up to their own standards of faith and practice, and we can and should advocate that our religious leaders not permit such betrayals; as long as, beyond that, we do not wish, hope and desire, a reversal of fortunes and want the law to “enforce” the opinions of the BSA.

We will never get the Liberals out of the use of the law as their most-desired instrument of “social change” and “social values”, if too many of us simply want the shoe on the other foot.

Personally, I am more of a “social” Conservative; when it comes to the law I am more a Libertarian. I believe Jesus intended we make His law our own, personally, and in all our private assosications and priavte institutions, and not pretend we are making secular government His instrument. I believe He disavos such linkage to Him.

7 posted on 08/21/2012 10:48:05 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli

This remarkable quote “ Church expects adult leaders — whether heterosexual or with same-sex attraction — in any ministry strive to lead chaste lives.” ignores the simple truth that homosexuality is a behavior, not a condition. There are no virgin queers.

8 posted on 08/21/2012 12:01:44 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: Louis Foxwell
"This remarkable quote “ Church expects adult leaders — whether heterosexual or with same-sex attraction — in any ministry strive to lead chaste lives.” ignores the simple truth that homosexuality is a behavior, not a condition.

Your bumper sticker criticism of Catholicism misses the mark. Sexual relations between any two persons other than a man and his wife is the sin of fornication. Homosexuals need our prayers, our compassion, and our respect for their basic human dignity. God will ultimately judge them and us for how we treat them. The treatment of homosexuals and homosexuality by the Church is the same for any sin and sinner, even you and your sins:

CCC 2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

CCC 2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

CCC 2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

Peace be with you

9 posted on 08/21/2012 12:21:02 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Natural Law; Louis Foxwell
But... this man has lived for another man for 30 years, the article says, and they have adopted two children. So, serious question: doesn't that indicate that they are committed to a quasimarriage, which would furter imply that they have a sexual relationship?

Plus, they evidently call themselves gay, not "brother" and "brother" in something like a small monastic community.

They have publicly abjured sexual relations, AND they call themselves gay, so isn't it a fair assumption that they are sexually active? And therefore not chaste?

Like I said, serious question. And not just for them, but for Our Lady of Lourdes Church.

10 posted on 08/21/2012 1:51:01 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("He who does not have 3,000 years at his fingertips is living hand-to-mouth." -J Wolfgang von Goethe)
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To: Morgana; silverleaf; kitkat; Natural Law

The homosexual rights war against BSA is a multi-front campaign.

1. BSA National Executive Board - corporate CEO members who want to internally eliminate BSA’s DADT membership policy.

2. United Way chapters which decrease/deny needed funds to local BSA councils to meet their payrolls.

3. Christian denominations/ churches which charter scout units, but which will soon become problematic for BSA because of the churches acceptance of open homosexual membership/ ordination/civil unions / marriage ...
a. United Church of Christ
b. Episcopal Church
c. Presbyterian Church in the United States of America
d. Evangelical Lutheran Church
e. Disciples of Christ/ Christian Church
f. Alliance of Baptist churches
g. Moravian Church

This article clearly demonstrated the ongoing fight within the Roman Catholic Church on this matter. I confess that I was very surprized, and disappointed, that the local church clergy initially opposed BSA. There are several reports of Roman Catholic clergy attempting to deny open homosexuals the eucharist and admitting children of open homosexual parents into church schools but are later reprimanded by higher-ups in the church when the homosexuals press their case.

So far, the United Methodist Church has withstood the homosexual flood, but it appears to be weakening in its resolve, at least within the USA. The mantra of “social justice” has taken root in many suburban churches. The subject of BSA’s membership policy will very soon be taken up by the American national church’s leadership.

4. “Other” BSA Cub Pack/ Bly Scout troop charter organizations, e.g., in this article it is the Missouri PTA which is threatening to break ties with BSA units. Public elementary and middle schools used to accomodate BSA and permit them the opportunity to hold recruiting events during the evening on school properties. Those days are gone.

5. TV and radio. It was farily common, as late as the 1980s for PSAs to be broadcast which supported Scouting. Those days are gone.

6. The Girl Scouts of America have definitely embraced “total inclusion/ diversity” and appears to be becoming an open adversary of the BSA. Others here have had more experience with GSA. My understanding is that adult males can assist unit operations but only in the background and at a distance. Most everyone seems to grasp the wisdom of keeping the adult males away from the girls - yet many cannot see this same understanding applied to open homosexuals - male or female.
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As so many biblically literate Christians have pointed out, all sin has to be opposed but in a loving manner. This is a tough stand to take in these extremely permissive and bibilcally illiterate times. Also, the homosexualist opposition has been applying Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” since the 1969 Stonewall Riots to (1) isolate, (2) ridicule, and (3) demonize orthodox Christians.

They know that no-fault divorce since ~ 1970 has severly weakened the church’s moral standing because if preachers preached against divorce, their pews would empty, i.e., how can the church preach against the bad behavior of 2.8% of the population (homosexuals) when ~50% of the marriages conducted in churches fail and end in divorce?

There is a biblical method to address sin:(1) call attention (identify) to the sin (again, in a loving manner), (2) ask for repentance, (3) personal behavior reform (including education/counselling) to avoid the sin from now on till you die, and finally (4) the isolation/shunning (”tough love”) of unrepenant sinners who are harming themselves and those around them.

11 posted on 08/21/2012 2:04:54 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: Morgana

Society is truly unraveling, and becoming irreparably polarized. These degenerates will never stop until they invade every conservative institution to destroy it, and conservatives must continue to stand firm in order to remain conservatives.

There is no way around a civil war, a bloody one.

12 posted on 08/21/2012 2:40:15 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

“This remarkable quote ‘Church expects adult leaders — [to remain chaste]....’....There are no virgin queers.”

O.K., but, it’s as if you are assuming that all the unmarried “heterosexuals” also “remain chaste”.

I doubt that either set of conditions is ascertainable by the church leaders - in today’s culture and society, or that they know or that they try to find out.

Regardless, that still leaves the question of the moral probity of leaving young people in scouting - especially when outings are such a large part of scouting - in the supervision of persons who are sexually attracted to the gender of their scouts.

People think such a question is “homophobic”, it’s not.

What would parents say if their “girl scount” was on a troop outing under the supervision of a 19 year old young man. Are they going to assume - it’s O.K., he’s “chaste”. I doubt it.

It should not happen, not only for the young girl’s sake, for the young man as well. Either one could become the victim of unwarrented attentions - in either direction. While, one risks violation, physcially, the other risks their reputation being violated when an an unwarranted advance was rejected.

The concerns of parents when it comes to “gay” troop leaders is no different. Instead of being “safe” with the troop leader, the gender-attraction roles are reversed, and parents reverse their consent accordingly. It really does not matter if everyone is assumed “chaste” or not.

13 posted on 08/21/2012 4:11:50 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli

I agree with your premise but you have missed mine. Homosexuality is not a condition. It is an activity. One cannot be a homosexual unless one has engaged in homosexual acts.

14 posted on 08/21/2012 7:13:21 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: Natural Law

Homosexuality and chastity are incompatible terms. To be homosexual one must first engage in homosexual activity. There is no homsexual gene, no chemical imbalance creating a homosexual predisposition. It is a form of fornication, nothing more and nothing less.

15 posted on 08/21/2012 7:18:38 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

The Catholic church disagrees with yout premise. They do not take the position that “homosexuality” is only a behavior. It’s just that the Catholic church condems all sexual behavior outside of marriage, and marriage is only the marriage of one man and one woman. EVERYONE outside of marriage is to remain chaste, if they are a faithful Catholic.

16 posted on 08/21/2012 8:09:48 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I am a member of Our Lady of Lourdes. It mystifies me that a man living openly in a homosexual relationship is allowed to function as an extraordinary minister of the Holy Eucharist. There is also an open lesbian couple at the parish with an adopted child. Wouldn’t these situations have been called giving scandal years ago?

17 posted on 08/21/2012 9:23:45 PM PDT by MDLION
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To: Louis Foxwell

“Homosexuality and chastity are incompatible terms”

Never knew of a sodomite in my life that could remain

They all go after teenage boys. They can not control their
sexual urges. The reason for that is homosexuality is a mental disorder.

95% of the sex abuse cases in the Catholic Church or any other faith are from homosexual men who can’t keep their hands off teenage boys. You hardly ever hear of a straight priest, pastor, etc, charged with sexually molesting girls.

The media will not report the homosexual scandal in all religions. The reason? They love sodomites and see nothing at all wrong with them sexually abuse young teenagers.

18 posted on 08/21/2012 9:45:47 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: Wuli

\You are mixing up 2 distinct issues. One, does the RCC believe that homosexuality is a sin. If not they should agree to gay marriage. Two, chastity is not possible for homosexuals. It is a contradiction in terms. So long as the RCC tries to normalize homosexuality and make it chaste they will continue ordaining gay priests and will skirt dangerously close to making sin a sacrament.

19 posted on 08/22/2012 6:19:58 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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You are absolutely right. If I were in that parish, I would try to meet with the pastor and the bishop about it and, as well, try to quietly build a prayer group specifically dedicated to pray about these and similar situations. Many people who feel unsettled about this don't know what to do. They don't want to be obnoxious and they DO care about the souls of the afflicted ones: that's just the point.

There are people who struggle with chastity all around us, and more heterosexuals than homosexuals. But people who live together without vows (hetero or homo) are giving objective sandal. The problem is often that the pastor is not, in fact, calling ANYONE ot repentance. Porn-consuming parishioners, contracepting marrieds, cohabiting 20-or-30-somethings, drunken fellow priests, or anybody else, ever.

The First Reading in the Mass today is from Ezechiel, "Woe to you shepherds who are not shepherding my sheep."

20 posted on 08/22/2012 6:28:30 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God." 1 Peter 4:17)
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