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To: Wuli

This remarkable quote “ Church expects adult leaders — whether heterosexual or with same-sex attraction — in any ministry strive to lead chaste lives.” ignores the simple truth that homosexuality is a behavior, not a condition. There are no virgin queers.


8 posted on 08/21/2012 12:01:44 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: Louis Foxwell
"This remarkable quote “ Church expects adult leaders — whether heterosexual or with same-sex attraction — in any ministry strive to lead chaste lives.” ignores the simple truth that homosexuality is a behavior, not a condition.

Your bumper sticker criticism of Catholicism misses the mark. Sexual relations between any two persons other than a man and his wife is the sin of fornication. Homosexuals need our prayers, our compassion, and our respect for their basic human dignity. God will ultimately judge them and us for how we treat them. The treatment of homosexuals and homosexuality by the Church is the same for any sin and sinner, even you and your sins:

CCC 2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

CCC 2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

CCC 2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

Peace be with you

9 posted on 08/21/2012 12:21:02 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

“This remarkable quote ‘Church expects adult leaders — [to remain chaste]....’....There are no virgin queers.”

O.K., but, it’s as if you are assuming that all the unmarried “heterosexuals” also “remain chaste”.

I doubt that either set of conditions is ascertainable by the church leaders - in today’s culture and society, or that they know or that they try to find out.

Regardless, that still leaves the question of the moral probity of leaving young people in scouting - especially when outings are such a large part of scouting - in the supervision of persons who are sexually attracted to the gender of their scouts.

People think such a question is “homophobic”, it’s not.

What would parents say if their “girl scount” was on a troop outing under the supervision of a 19 year old young man. Are they going to assume - it’s O.K., he’s “chaste”. I doubt it.

It should not happen, not only for the young girl’s sake, for the young man as well. Either one could become the victim of unwarrented attentions - in either direction. While, one risks violation, physcially, the other risks their reputation being violated when an an unwarranted advance was rejected.

The concerns of parents when it comes to “gay” troop leaders is no different. Instead of being “safe” with the troop leader, the gender-attraction roles are reversed, and parents reverse their consent accordingly. It really does not matter if everyone is assumed “chaste” or not.


13 posted on 08/21/2012 4:11:50 PM PDT by Wuli
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