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What Catholics can learn from the Quran (Albany diocesan official)
RNS ^ | August 20, 2012 | Kathleen K. Duff

Posted on 08/21/2012 11:38:08 AM PDT by NYer

(RNS) This year during Ramadan — the ninth month of the Islamic lunar calendar when Muslims believe the Quran was first revealed to the Prophet Muhammad —  I was in solidarity with my Muslim sisters and brothers throughout the world by reading the Quran. But here's the thing: I am a Roman Catholic.

My copy of the Quran, with more than 1,700 pages, has sat on the top shelf of my bedroom bookcase among other sacred texts for 14 years. Typically I would use it as a sporadic reference and resource to better understanding Islam, reading a few short passages at a time.


A Quran photographed in a mosque (2012). Credit: RNS photo by Sally Morrow

However, this Ramadan something at the core of my being was calling me to read the Quran in its entirety. And so my monthlong Ramadan journey began.

Each day and evening, the prayerful poetry in the Quran held me in a meditative mode of peace as I read without being aware of the passage of time.

When I finished reading a week before the end of the month, I felt as if the Quran was almost endless, reaching beyond the confines of my calendar days. I didn’t want to read the last page. I didn’t want to be finished.

The Quran inspired me, taught me and helped me to remember my essential holiness and how that holiness in the image of God should be reflected in the world.

As Ramadan comes to a close this weekend (Aug. 18-19) with Eid al-Fitr, I find myself focusing on the blessings I have been given through the grace of God while reading the Quran.

The Quran encouraged me to continuously be aware of a gracious and merciful God who cherishes humanity and cherishes all of creation. I came to believe more firmly during my humble Ramadan experience that being cherished by God is an example of divine love beyond the limitations of any one language, symbol and imagination.

Certainly this has implications for how we treat each other and care for the world.

Many chapters, or surahs, in the Quran had me reflecting on the diversity and opposite realities in nature (night/day, male/female, darkness/light, beginning/ending, life/death) and reaffirming that God is found in both. This insight into sacred polarity is a perfect teaching paradigm for respectful interreligious dialogue, which is never about win/lose, right/wrong profiling and divisiveness.

Among my greatest lessons from the Quran was to be reminded to have faith, seek the truth, praise God, pray, forgive, be kind, be peaceful and take care of people who are most vulnerable — those who are oppressed and often forgotten.

Perhaps the commentary found in the conclusion of my Quran says it best:

“What can we do to make Allah’s light shine forth through the darkness around us? We must first let it shine in our own selves. With the light in the niche of our inmost hearts we can walk with steps both firm and sure: We can humbly visit the comfortless and guide their steps. Not we but the light will guide. But oh the joy of being found worthy to bear the torch and to say to our brethren: I too was in darkness, comfortless, and behold, I have found comfort and joy in the grace divine."

After reading the Quran during Ramadan, I am again convinced that there are more commonalities between and among religions than there are differences that isolate and divide.


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(Kathleen K. Duff serves on the Diocese of Albany's Commission for Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs. She is a campus minister at Notre Dame-Bishop Gibbons School in Schenectady, N.Y. A version of this column first appeared in the Albany Times Union.)
1 posted on 08/21/2012 11:38:15 AM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

This is what Bishop Howard Hubbard has wrought in this diocese. One more year to his retirement.


2 posted on 08/21/2012 11:39:53 AM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer

Having observed the behavior of the followers of the Koran, I have no desire to read it, none at all.


3 posted on 08/21/2012 11:40:50 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: NYer

More evidence (as if any were needed) that educated fools are a danger to society.


4 posted on 08/21/2012 11:40:57 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: NYer

Me thinks she is confusing the devil that she has allowed into her soul, with the true God of Christians, of which Allah is NOT.


5 posted on 08/21/2012 11:41:56 AM PDT by DallasDeb (usafa06mom)
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To: NYer

Idiot.


6 posted on 08/21/2012 11:44:21 AM PDT by July4 (Remember the price paid for your freedom.)
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To: yarddog
Having observed the behavior of the followers of the Koran,

I have decided that I need to read it, for the same reason that I read the Communist Manifesto, On Guerilla Warfare, and parts of Mein Kampf and Das Kapital.

Know your enemy.

7 posted on 08/21/2012 11:44:57 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer
Did you learn Bishop, that Mohammed was a demon-obsessed , murdering anti-Semitic pedophile? Did you learn that in his wretch ed life he organized and had carried out sixty-seven military campaigns, twenty-seven of them he led personally? Did you also learn that he preformed NO miracles and died for No ONES sins? Did you learn any of that, you f'ing idiot? Catholic my ass. You're an idiot.
8 posted on 08/21/2012 11:45:48 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: NYer

She must have skipped right over a lot of those Suras...


9 posted on 08/21/2012 11:46:20 AM PDT by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party of No! Nobama, No Way, No How!)
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To: NYer

I meant Duff, not NYer, is an idiot!


10 posted on 08/21/2012 11:46:20 AM PDT by July4 (Remember the price paid for your freedom.)
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To: NYer
Oy Vey. All I need to know about Islam I learned on 9/11. It's been reinforced by the infiltration of Muslims to my Country, since. The tradition of inhabiting what they perceive to be their conquest continues to this day and is unfortunately being aided by the PC idiots in government and the public, at large.
11 posted on 08/21/2012 11:47:22 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I agree. I want to read it so I can tell those who say “Islam is not a violent religion” the facts straight from their own gospel.

It may turn my stomach, but I will read it so I am informed of what is in the heart and mind of those wishing me dead.


12 posted on 08/21/2012 11:49:45 AM PDT by History Repeats (Drink plenty of TEA, but avoid the Koolaid.)
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To: yarddog

It’s OK to study from a scholarly POV. Thing is, you’ll have to bite your tongue when you come across the many heresies (Jesus not being the Son of God, Abraham told to sacrifice Ishmael instead of Isaac, Mahomet’s rewriting of God’s law, ad nauseam), but it’s useful to actually know the differences so that anyone from a Biblical background who might be getting sucked into that belief can be dissuaded.


13 posted on 08/21/2012 11:54:11 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: History Repeats

For a start, check Ann Barnhardt’s videos on it on youtube.com.


14 posted on 08/21/2012 11:54:56 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: NYer
uhh....

The deceits of Satan to be wary of?

15 posted on 08/21/2012 11:55:45 AM PDT by G Larry (Progressives are Regressive because their objectives devolve to the lowest common denominator.)
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To: yarddog
Having observed the behavior of the followers of the Koran, I have no desire to read it, none at all.

I have read the entire Koran, several times in English and once in Arabic. It is worth having read if your work is related to maintaining freedom in the world. Having read and understood that book, I keep it in a spot far from the bookshelf containing my holy books.

16 posted on 08/21/2012 11:56:42 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: NYer

“The Quran inspired me, taught me and helped me to remember my essential holiness and how that holiness in the image of God should be reflected in the world.”

This woman is a complete and total idiot.

The only thing the Quran ever helped me remember is how much I hated reading Mein Kampf.

Turns out they’re the same book.

And they met the same fate in my garbage can.

Anyone who likes or respects the Quran cannot be trusted: their judgement is utterly questionable.


17 posted on 08/21/2012 11:57:45 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (OWS = The Great American Snivel War)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Knowing the enemy is vital to being able to combat the enemy and win.
If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.

The Art Of War, III-18

18 posted on 08/21/2012 11:58:54 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: NYer
The Quran inspired me, taught me and helped me to remember my essential holiness and how that holiness in the image of God should be reflected in the world.

ROTFLMAO, even when God was SPECIFICALLY ordering Joshua to wreck havoc upon the Hittites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perrizites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites He did not PERPETUALLY order/allow the Israelites to rape the women as long as they did not get them pregnant. What an intellectual weak and blinded fool this female is.
19 posted on 08/21/2012 12:00:03 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: NYer

So why is that Catholics don’t have a saint Muhammad?

Either:

- There was no supernatural encounter by Muhammad (He just made it all up himself.)

-Or-

- Muhammad’s encounter was supernatural, but not with God.

I am sure there is a detailed description of the official church findings in the Vatican archives. (under lock and key)


20 posted on 08/21/2012 12:00:47 PM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: History Repeats

The “apes and swine” references are beyond any rational explanation.


21 posted on 08/21/2012 12:01:18 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: NYer

Don’t get too excited, our bishop officially resigned over a year ago and we still don’t have a new bishop.


22 posted on 08/21/2012 12:02:22 PM PDT by tiki
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To: NYer

Money is fungible. Money spent somewhere is money not spent somewhere else. Apparently the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Albany thinks it is doing so fantastically in all “Catholic” aspects of its mission that it has “exceess” funds it can spend on someone who pines:

“I was in solidarity with my Muslim sisters and brothers”.


23 posted on 08/21/2012 12:03:45 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: NYer

“as even in Arabic it is slightly more comprehensible than the New Roman Missal...”


24 posted on 08/21/2012 12:04:26 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: NYer
Yeah, catholics can learn lots from the Qur'an.

Like this one, which has always guided my path to living a Godly life, leading to Heaven:

Quran; Surah 004: Ayah 089:
Take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah. Seize them and slay them wherever ye find them.

25 posted on 08/21/2012 12:06:11 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: NYer
My copy of the Quran, with more than 1,700 pages, has sat on the top shelf of my bedroom bookcase among other sacred texts for 14 years.

The Koran is not a sacred text. There is no moral equivalency with the Bible or Torah.

This guy probably has "Dianetics" among his 'sacred texts'

26 posted on 08/21/2012 12:07:28 PM PDT by Never on my watch (I can see November from the Chick-Fil-A drive through lane.)
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To: NYer
Among my greatest lessons from the Quran was to be reminded to have faith, seek the truth, praise God, pray, forgive, be kind, be peaceful and take care of people who are most vulnerable — those who are oppressed and often forgotten.

Good gravy ,how could anyone read the Koran and Hadiths and come to that conclusion.

Perhaps her reading is colored by her belief in another supernatural being that is a forgive and forget love your neighbor, be kind, help other people out advocate.-Tom

27 posted on 08/21/2012 12:23:18 PM PDT by Capt. Tom
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To: ArrogantBustard; All

Having observed the behavior of the followers of the Koran,
I have decided that I need to read it, for the same reason that I read the Communist Manifesto, On Guerilla Warfare, and parts of Mein Kampf and Das Kapital.

Know your enemy.
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agreed. it is VERY educational.
however, it can also be very confusing.
...first, the Koran is not in chronological order.
it is in... order of size of chapters!
further, some of the events are not explained.
to understand those, you need to read ahadith.
Bukhari is one of the best collections.
...and, the Sira (biography), is also essential for true understanding.
when you read of the encounter with the “angel of light”,
who CHOKED Mohammad (pbuh), and terrified him...
(instead of reassuring him, as EVERY angel in the Bible does)
...when you read of Mohammad (pbuh) ordering to innocent merchants tortured with fire, to reveal where they hid their wealth...
...when you read of Mohammad(pbuh) marrying a girl age 6 (but waiting until 9 for “full” sex...)
then, you will understand what that silly woman in the article, will NEVER understand:
Islam is the religion of Satan himself.
he IS the angel of light in the cave.
(just as Jesus warned, that Satan could still appear that way.)
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...probably, that foolish woman, when she didn’t understand the Quran, without those other sources, she asked her muslim friends... who were happy to lie to her...
as the Quran COMMANDS them to do, to deceive kuffirs...
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Andrew Bostom, and Robert Spencer, could educate her quickly... IF she had any brains, and an open mind.


28 posted on 08/21/2012 12:29:37 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: NYer

I guess he missed the over hundred verses calling for death to non muslims.

What is it with the West, why do some feel that we have to appease muslims, our ways and views and appease the homostapo in order to think we might become friends with them.
Islam is the new kid on the block and which bows, worships a child molestor , i guess such facts like this are just not seen or heard to many of the dopes.

ARF


29 posted on 08/21/2012 12:41:22 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: NYer

The author is a moron. And probably a liar as well. I dont believe for a minute that she actually read that demonic screed and came away wanting to sing Kumbya with Muslim savages.


30 posted on 08/21/2012 12:43:16 PM PDT by pgkdan (A vote for anyone but Romney is a vote for obama...got that? u)
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To: jmacusa

Forgot the child molester they worship too.

Aisha a girl of 6 married to the dirty old man and then he had sex wiht her age 9, how nice of him to wait till age 9 the sicko.

Islam has since it;s creation been spread through the sword and which the koran calls for and there is no proof of most of the koran, hell no one even knows what the child molesting sicko even looks like.


31 posted on 08/21/2012 12:45:18 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: NYer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=282QhdWDUUU&feature=player_embedded#%21


32 posted on 08/21/2012 12:51:56 PM PDT by 353FMG (And Congress sit silently on their hands.)
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To: NYer

“Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.”

Manuel II Paleologus


33 posted on 08/21/2012 1:04:04 PM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Jesus died for our sins, but Mohammed wants you to die for his. That’s all I need to know.


34 posted on 08/21/2012 1:14:04 PM PDT by NotTallTex
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To: Olog-hai

You don’t have to be a chicken to know when an egg is rotten.


35 posted on 08/21/2012 1:16:45 PM PDT by NotTallTex
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To: NotTallTex

Yes, but how to dispose of the egg is the next step.


36 posted on 08/21/2012 1:19:34 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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That’s all I need to know.

Fine.

Don't understand your enemy. Be ignorant of his motivations, his methods, his likes and dislikes. Have no knowledge of how he has acted in the past, and why he did what he did. Be completely unaware of what he has learned, how he has adapted, how he plans to avoid past mistakes, repeat past successes, and capitalize on his opponents' (that would be YOU) vulnerabilities. Lack any concept of his likely future actions.

If that's good enough for you ... fine.

It's NOT good enough for me.

37 posted on 08/21/2012 1:25:10 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Elendur
John Rodwell arranged the Koran’s chapters chronologically. You do get a sense of where the author was going once that order is read.
38 posted on 08/21/2012 1:27:14 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: NYer
Quote:
“The Quran inspired me, taught me and helped me to remember my essential holiness and how that holiness in the image of God should be reflected in the world.”

This individual is either illiterate and a fake or a consumate liar who has serious comprehension deficit with regard to the volume claimed to have been read.

There is no possible way to interpret Sura 1. . .the first chapter as not denegrating all non-believers . . .and continue to believe that book in its entirety is "reflecting an image of God in the world."

To her everlasting shame, this deceit is unforgivable.

39 posted on 08/21/2012 1:44:06 PM PDT by wtd
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To: Elendur

The Quran encouraged me to continuously be aware of a gracious and merciful God who cherishes humanity and cherishes all of creation. I came to believe more firmly during my humble Ramadan experience that being cherished by God is an example of divine love beyond the limitations of any one language, symbol and imagination.

///
except that all the sweet brotherly “warm fuzzy” verses,
written earlier in Medina, are abrogated...
replaced, by the later “sword” verses.
...that is something else, her Muslim friends will never tell her...


40 posted on 08/21/2012 1:48:09 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: NYer
This year during Ramadan — the ninth month of the Islamic lunar calendar when Muslims believe the Quran was first revealed to the Prophet Muhammad — I was in solidarity with my Muslim sisters and brothers throughout the world by reading the Quran. But here's the thing: I am a Roman Catholic.

So of course moslems are his brothers and sisters but Fundamentalist Protestants are either comic caricatures or malevolent foes . . . no sir, no "brothers and sisters" in the trailer park.

Hmm. I note the remark that moslems believe the qur'an was "revealed" during the month of ramadan. Where's that scornful scriptural modernism with which Catholics so like to pour on "their own" bible? Apparently there was no J, E, P, or D involved in this little endeavor.

Orthodox Jews believe that the Torah as it exists now was wholly revealed by G-d to Moses. I expect a Catholic bishop to say this next year for Shavu`ot.

41 posted on 08/21/2012 2:39:36 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: NYer

My apologies for assuming the author of the piece was a bishop.


42 posted on 08/21/2012 2:40:44 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: NYer

Has anyone checked yet whether this latter-day Rachel Corrie (pbuh - pancake be upon her) is wearing an explosive vest?


43 posted on 08/21/2012 3:55:10 PM PDT by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: NYer
If the tenets espoused in the Koran were in fact 95% the same as or compatible with Christianity, that 5% definitely includes the parts about enslaving women and killing, converting, or enslaving all non Moslems. that 5% or whatever percentage it might be makes all the difference in the world. The major difference in the effects of Islam and of Christianity(and Buddhism)on civilization are, again, all the difference in the world. There is no civilization possible under Islam so long as there are not large numbers of infidel societies exterior to it to plunder.
44 posted on 08/21/2012 4:52:54 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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To: NYer

Praying for this diocese and the replacement of the bishop who would allow such folly.


45 posted on 08/21/2012 5:05:51 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation; NYer

“”Praying for this diocese “”

Thank you,dear sister!I am in this Diocese like NYER , but I can tell you that we have some marvelous priests who tow the line even with their frustration of the Bishop.

We have many good priests who are stronger because of Hubbard, which shows our Lord works in many ways despite those who have a liberalized view of the Catholic Faith.


46 posted on 08/21/2012 6:01:17 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: NYer

All I needed to know I learned on 9/11.


47 posted on 08/21/2012 6:01:56 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: NYer

Satan’s words do have some value, as long as you know them for what they are.


48 posted on 08/21/2012 6:10:23 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: NYer

Here’s what I learned.

Mohammed is a pervert and questioned his own sanity. He heard voices in hi head and was unsure where they came from.

Before Christians and Jews rejected his ideas for blending all three religions together his writings were favorable to them. After being rejected his writings became incredibly hostile to them advocating their deaths and 2nd class’citizenship and tribute to be paid.

Muslims can lie if it helps further muslim causes. Al-taqiyaa.

The Muslim 12th imam is the mirror image of the Bible’s description of the anti (substitute) christ. As in THE Antichrist.

Islam is the religious equivalent of the Hotel California. Nothing like a religion you can’t leave without possibly being killed for it.


49 posted on 08/21/2012 6:36:34 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: manc

Islam seems to have two central obsessions: Sexual perversion and killing. I tell people all the time to contrast the life of Mohammed and that of Jesus Christ. Even the most unfamiliar with the former know damn well there is no comparison with the latter. Try it sometime with someone talking about ‘’tolerance’’ and ‘’the religion of peace’’. If you ever do I’d be interested to know how it went. Keep in touch FRiend.


50 posted on 08/21/2012 10:16:00 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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