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Is Mitt Romney a Christian or not?
Herald News Chicago Suntimes ^ | August 23, 2012 | George Gaspar

Posted on 08/23/2012 8:20:55 PM PDT by delacoert

Edited on 08/23/2012 8:26:36 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

In recent decades the Republican Party has made a person’s religious beliefs an issue for election to political office, despite the First Amendment to the Constitution explicitly forbidding this.

For the Republicans, that requirement is a person must be a Christian. Mitt Romney has chosen staunch Roman Catholic Paul Ryan as his running mate. That should help divert some of the concern about Romney himself being a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints — a Mormon.

There has been debate, including in The Herald-News’ OpenLine, about whether or not Mormons are true Christians. Most people don’t know what Mormons believe, so I thought I would publicize some of their basic precepts, all of which can be easily confirmed.

Mormons believe that “God” created multiple worlds with people living on them. Multiple gods exist but each has its own universe. All people existed as pre-mortal spirit children of God and are then physically born on this earth and are subject only to our specific “God.” If you follow God and his law (the precepts of the LDS Church) you can reach the highest level of heaven and become a “God” also.

Our “God” was a mortal on another planet who reached this highest level and became “God.” He had a mortal wife who also became a “Goddess.” He physically had sexual relations with Mary and Jesus became mortal from his spirit life as the eldest son of “God.”

Mormons recognize God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, but all three are not one substance but completely different beings forming one “godhead.”

They feel the early Christian Church became corrupted by pagan influences at the Council of Nicea. The Church was finally “restored” through appearances by God, Jesus and some of the apostles to Joseph Smith, beginning in 1820 at age 14. (Smith and his mother and father all believed in “visions, prophecies and folk magic.”) Joseph Smith viewed himself as the “prophet” of God who spoke to the people through him. The LDS still has a “prophet” who can have visions from God and announce new Church beliefs, such as the acceptance of African Americans into the “priesthood” in 1978.

Further beliefs: When people die, the “spirit” is separated from the body and either goes to “spirit heaven” or “spirit prison” waiting for the second coming; Jesus appeared to the people of America after his resurrection; and God, Jesus, and “resurrected beings” have bodies of flesh and bone.

They believe there is no salvation outside the LDS Church, there is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet, and Satan originated the idea that belief in Jesus Christ alone is all that is needed for salvation.

Mormons believe the entire world must be converted to Mormonism, and they proselytize aggressively.

The final item is their belief in “temple garments,” often referred to as “Mormon underwear.” These are worn day and night, and are required to be worn to enter a temple. They are believed to be a constant reminder of the LDS covenant with God and are a “source of protection from evil.”

These are some of the beliefs of Mitt Romney, the man who would be president; beliefs he does not want to discuss. What do you think?


TOPICS: Other Christian; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: christians; inmans; mormonism; no; romney; romneyandgod
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To: delacoert
Mormons are not Christians.
2 posted on 08/23/2012 8:24:16 PM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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To: delacoert

Mormons do not recognize Christian Baptism—whether administered to an infant or “believer’s Baptism” later in life.

Orthodox Christians do not recognize Mormon “baptism”.

Case closed.


3 posted on 08/23/2012 8:26:06 PM PDT by lightman (Settling for the "lesser of two..." is still choosing Evil)
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To: delacoert
By their fruits you shall know them

Comparing the fruits of the spirit I see from them Mormons compared to the poison fruits being offered by self proclaimed uber "Christians", I suspect the Mormons are going to be more welcome then the sanctimonious Uber "christian" at God's judgment seat

4 posted on 08/23/2012 8:26:14 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: mlizzy

Neither are Muslims, so I will go with Romney.


5 posted on 08/23/2012 8:26:14 PM PDT by Patrick1 (" Let's all pray Kim Kardashian's divorce won't have an impact on her craft.")
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To: delacoert
"What do I think?"

I think that what Mitt Romney believes is between him and God, and that if I have a choice between a crypto-Communist/Muslim in the White House that hates America, and a clean living, non-dope smoking, non-drinking, charitable Mormon who doesn't beat his wife, I'm going to vote for that Mormon guy.

And the last time I checked, I don't recall seeing a pack of renegade Mormons hijacking any airliners and flying them into buildings in a terrorist act.
6 posted on 08/23/2012 8:27:08 PM PDT by mkjessup (0bama squats to pee.)
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To: delacoert

This moron starts out citing the First Amendment—when the “no religious test” clause is elsewhere.

Moreover, the electorate is at liberty to consider ANYTHING an issue, regardless of what the Constitution says—in precisely the same way that the public is NOT required to presume criminal defendants “innocent until proven guilty.”

Then, he reels off a bunch of Mormon beliefs that have nothing whatsoever to do with any conceivable public policy question.

And he does all this in violation of HIS bogus “understanding” of the Constitution.


7 posted on 08/23/2012 8:27:18 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: delacoert

Racist.


8 posted on 08/23/2012 8:27:26 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: mlizzy

He is not


9 posted on 08/23/2012 8:29:24 PM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: lightman

The Catholic Church does not accept the Mormon Baptism.


10 posted on 08/23/2012 8:31:07 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: delacoert

Is Mitt Romney a Christian or not?
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No Romney is NOT a Christian...

Mormons are not Christians...


11 posted on 08/23/2012 8:31:50 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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Not.
O'Bummer? - Even more Not.

I'll go with the less 'Not'

12 posted on 08/23/2012 8:31:50 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: MNJohnnie

“By their fruits you shall know them
Comparing the fruits of the spirit I see from them Mormons compared to the poison fruits being offered by self proclaimed uber “Christians”, I suspect the Mormons are going to be more welcome then the sanctimonious Uber “christian” at God’s judgment seat”


Not likely.

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
(Gal 1:8-9)

Mormons deny Jesus Christ’s eternal deity, character and mission. Ergo, they are dead in their sins, just like every other non-believer.


13 posted on 08/23/2012 8:32:26 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: mlizzy

Mormons are not Christians.

I’m voting for Romney.

So there.


14 posted on 08/23/2012 8:32:48 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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>> For the Republicans, that requirement is a person must be a Christian.

GTH, bigot. The Republicans primaries elected a Mormon over two Catholics. And try floating a poll with Binyamin Netanyahu up against the “Christian” Barack Obama if you’re not convinced.

Your divisiveness is no match for our contempt.


15 posted on 08/23/2012 8:33:18 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: mlizzy
Mormons are members of a cult.

Cults, Movements, World Religions
Sects and Satanic Cults

16 posted on 08/23/2012 8:33:47 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Patrick1
I'm with you. I don't care what someone's religion is or if they have none.

Moslem does not count as it is a death cult.

17 posted on 08/23/2012 8:37:05 PM PDT by Octar
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To: mlizzy

It’s kind of a Zen question. The sound of one hand clapping.

In fact Mormons think they are the ONLY christians.


18 posted on 08/23/2012 8:37:05 PM PDT by DManA
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To: mlizzy

Christians believe in the Trinity: God the Father, GOD THE SON, and God the Holy Spirit. They do not believe that Jesus is satans brother or that God the Father and Mary had sex and had Jesus. I know they do not believe that they are gods and will have their own planets if they are good. romney is hoping for a galaxy.


19 posted on 08/23/2012 8:37:14 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: delacoert

NEVER seemed to be any questions asked about Harry Reids religion???? Funny how this is now an issue?

Obama has been in the WH for almost 4 yrs and he certainly is NOT a Christian. Mormonism can’t be as bad as the Muslim religion.

I already have a pastor, I’m voting for Romney-Ryan to “lead” our country.


21 posted on 08/23/2012 8:39:24 PM PDT by Ms Mable
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To: Salvation

If one believes that Jesus is the Son of God,he has eternal life . John 3:16. Mormons are as saved as you are my friend. Do a little Bible research and you will quit your legalism.
http://antinomianism-salvation.blogspot.com/p/when-are-you-saved.html Good luck and may God forgive you.


22 posted on 08/23/2012 8:40:50 PM PDT by marygonzo
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To: mkjessup

Oy vey....wow. Here comes the desperate kitchen sink. Mormons are weird...Mormons are crazy.....Mormons are “The Devil” (Waterboy)

.....sad

....and so predictible....funny actually.

sigh....

I’m voting Obama


23 posted on 08/23/2012 8:42:07 PM PDT by Benjamin Dover (This tagline space for rent)
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To: mlizzy

BTW: When has the “Republican Party” demanded that any candidate be a “Christian”?

Answer: Never.


24 posted on 08/23/2012 8:42:30 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: marygonzo
are as saved as you are my friend.

There's a little problem with that formula. They don't think I AM saved. Not unless I get a Mormon baptism, in this life or the next.

25 posted on 08/23/2012 8:45:02 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Arthur McGowan

How many non-Christians have we had as president? Was it just a couple? Anyway, Romney gives off the impression he is a Christian, and I think that’s where the trouble lies.


26 posted on 08/23/2012 8:46:31 PM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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To: Salvation

Nor do Lutherans, Anglicans, or Methodists, among others.

“Orthodox” was capitalizaed because it was the first word of the sentence, but, on this issue, “We are all Orthodox now”.


28 posted on 08/23/2012 8:49:15 PM PDT by lightman (Settling for the "lesser of two..." is still choosing Evil)
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To: Salvation

“Mormons are members of a cult.

Cults, Movements, World Religions
Sects and Satanic Cults”
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Really? Then Harry Reid needs kicked out of office.


29 posted on 08/23/2012 8:49:36 PM PDT by Ms Mable
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To: marygonzo

Oh and BTW, the LDS church is the very definition of a legalistic religion. With a long list of prescribed steps you have to perform to get saved.


30 posted on 08/23/2012 8:51:31 PM PDT by DManA
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To: mkjessup

good points

I would just add that Romney didn’t sit in front of an america and white people hating whacko like jeremiah wright for twenty years either.


31 posted on 08/23/2012 8:51:40 PM PDT by Cubs Fan (whites are 8 times more likely to be victimized by black criminals than blacks by white criminals)
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To: RaisingCain

Mormons are now openly advertising that “there is another Gospel”.....false advertising, to be sure, but at least they are being forthright in their deceit.


32 posted on 08/23/2012 8:52:28 PM PDT by lightman (Settling for the "lesser of two..." is still choosing Evil)
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To: mlizzy

“Mormons are not Christians.”

neither are Jews but I would readily vote for a republican one of them before I would vote for Obama or just about any other democrat.


33 posted on 08/23/2012 8:54:29 PM PDT by Cubs Fan (whites are 8 times more likely to be victimized by black criminals than blacks by white criminals)
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To: marygonzo

“If one believes that Jesus is the Son of God,he has eternal life . John 3:16. Mormons are as saved as you are my friend. Do a little Bible research and you will quit your legalism.
http://antinomianism-salvation.blogspot.com/p/when-are-you-saved.html Good luck and may God forgive you.”


Mormons believe he is the son of God, brother of Lucifer, and that believing in Jesus Christ is not enough. One must be baptized Mormon, follow Mormon rituals, learn secret hand clasps, tithe 10 percent of your gross income to the LDS, not including other gifts, abstain from coca cola, and “work your way” to salvation. It is a works based religion that denies the essentials of Christianity.

Ergo, I’ll repeat the scripture I gave to the other guy.

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
(Gal 1:8-9)

Mormonism is accursed, and so are all those who hold to its doctrines. To be fair, so are Muslims, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Christian Scientists, Bah’ai, and so on and so forth.

You are the one in need of forgiveness, because you are denying the words of Jesus Christ and His Apostles in maintaining that a religious cult, just because Mitt Romney happens to be a member of and is running for President on the (R) ticket, can gain access to a heaven they are at war against.


34 posted on 08/23/2012 8:55:49 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: mkjessup
I think that what Mitt Romney believes is between him and God

Well said. Unfortunately, too many posts here boil down to this: Romney is not a Christian because he doesn't believe exactly what I believe.

35 posted on 08/23/2012 8:59:46 PM PDT by Leaning Right
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To: MNJohnnie

Please review the rules before posting on the Religion Forum:

http://www.freerepublic.com/~religionmoderator/


36 posted on 08/23/2012 9:01:21 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: RaisingCain

No you missed the point. A Christian is saved by belief alone. Nothing else. What else do you think is necessary? Is John 3:16 an error? is it a lie? You don’t think water baptism is necessary do you? none of the Disciples were water baptized. zero. Paul was baptized IN THE SPIRIT. Not water. You don’t think the thief on the cross was baptized —do you? . You don’t think he did “good legalistic works — go you? Mormons are saved if they accept steadfastly that Jesus is the Son of God. That is it.Same as the Catholics or the Methodists.


37 posted on 08/23/2012 9:05:35 PM PDT by marygonzo
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To: mlizzy

No, he is not a Christian, which is why I will be writing in for Governor Huckabee, a true Christian man.


38 posted on 08/23/2012 9:06:00 PM PDT by SAR
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To: Leaning Right

“Well said. Unfortunately, too many posts here boil down to this: Romney is not a Christian because he denies Jesus Christ.


Fixed it for you.


39 posted on 08/23/2012 9:07:25 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: SAR

Huckabee. Good for you.

I did not know he was running...

However, keep in mind, that right now as it stands, on this earth, there is only one man and his running mate who might be able to unseat the incumbent...that is Mitt Romney and his running mate, Paul Ryan. Period.


40 posted on 08/23/2012 9:13:21 PM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: marygonzo

“No you missed the point. A Christian is saved by belief alone. Nothing else. What else do you think is necessary? Is John 3:16 an error? is it a lie? You don’t think water baptism is necessary do you? none of the Disciples were water baptized. zero. Paul was baptized IN THE SPIRIT. Not water. You don’t think the thief on the cross was baptized —do you? . You don’t think he did “good legalistic works — go you? Mormons are saved if they accept steadfastly that Jesus is the Son of God. That is it.Same as the Catholics or the Methodists.”


But Mormons don’t believe He is the Son of God. They believe he is the son of god, brother of you and me and Lucifer, had multiple wives, and demanded we obey Joseph Smith and the LDS. The scripture I provided from Paul is quite clear that anyone who teaches a different Christ is in danger of hell fire.

Gal 1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: (7) Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. (8) But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. (9) As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

They call the Christ of the bible a liar when they promote stuff like this:

“Joseph Smith holds the keys of this last dispensation, and is now engaged behind the vail in the great work of the last days. I can tell our beloved brother Christians who have slain the Prophets and butchered and otherwise caused the death of thousands of Latter-day Saints, the priests who have thanked God in their prayers and thanksgiving from the pulpit that we have been plundered, driven, and slain, and the deacons under the pulpit, and their brethren and sisters in their closets, who have thanked God, thinking that the Latter-day Saints were wasted away, something that no doubt will mortify them—something that, to say the least, is a matter of deep regret to them—namely, that no man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith. From the day that the Priesthood was taken from the earth to the winding-up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are—I with you and you with me. I cannot go there without his consent. He holds the keys of that kingdom for the last dispensation—the keys to rule in the spirit-world; and he rules there triumphantly, for he gained full power and a glorious victory over the power of Satan while he was yet in the flesh, and was a martyr to his religion and to the name of Christ, which gives him a most perfect victory in the spirit-world. He reigns there as supreme a being in his sphere, capacity, and calling, as God does in heaven. Many will exclaim—”Oh, that is very disagreeable! It is preposterous! We cannot bear the thought!” But it is true.”
(Second Prophet of the LDS, Brigham Young, JOD 7:288-9)


41 posted on 08/23/2012 9:13:27 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: SAR
No, he is not a Christian, which is why I will be writing in for Governor Huckabee, a true Christian man.

Aye, but for me it shall be Sarah Palin, a true Christan woman.

42 posted on 08/23/2012 9:14:10 PM PDT by lightman (Settling for the "lesser of two..." is still choosing Evil)
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To: marygonzo
Mormons are saved if they accept steadfastly that Jesus is the Son of God.

That is simply not true. There is a long list of things Mormons must do to be saved.

43 posted on 08/23/2012 9:16:30 PM PDT by DManA
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To: RaisingCain
Romney is not a Christian because he denies Jesus Christ

I won't reply any further because I hate to get into theological arguments; no one is ever able to convince the person on the other side of the debate.

But are you sure Romney is just denying your personal view of Christ, and not Christ himself?

I really don't need, or want, an answer. It's just something to think about.

I'm also reminded of the fall of Constantinople. The Christian leaders in Europe argued among themselves instead of uniting. Result: the islamic armies besieged, then captured, on of the the greatest Christian cities on earth.

44 posted on 08/23/2012 9:19:28 PM PDT by Leaning Right
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To: Ms Mable

So if you live in Nevada, vote him out!

Sad fasce, no flag on your homepage.


45 posted on 08/23/2012 9:21:58 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: marygonzo

A man’s belief isn’t what saves. We are saved by grace through the means of faith (see Ephesians 2). The object of our faith is the One who saves, so it matters very much who the object of our faith is. While Mormons believe certain true facts about Christ, their Jesus is not the Jesus Christ of Scripture. Mere belief in a man named Jesus Christ is not salvific belief. Consider Matthew 7 where Christ taught that on the day of judgment there would be many who said “Lord Lord” (meaning they will be many who had claimed Him as Lord) to whom He would say ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’


46 posted on 08/23/2012 9:23:45 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: RaisingCain

Mitt Romney won’t gain Heavenly access with his adherence to Mormon theology. I just hope by holding my nose and voting for him he will gain awhile House access over the current occupant.


47 posted on 08/23/2012 9:23:51 PM PDT by rickomatic
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To: Ms Mable
NEVER seemed to be any questions asked about Harry Reids religion????

Who would bring it up? He is a member of the anti-Christian political party, his potential voters don't care.

Reid is a devout, and devoted Mormon though. He is issued a special ID card proving that he has been interviewed and examined, and that he has paid the proper amount, a card that he is required to renew each year.

48 posted on 08/23/2012 9:23:54 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: RaisingCain

Mitt Romney won’t gain Heavenly access with his adherence to Mormon theology. I just hope by holding my nose and voting for him he will gain White House access over the current occupant.


49 posted on 08/23/2012 9:24:40 PM PDT by rickomatic
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To: Arthur McGowan
This moron starts out citing the First Amendment—when the “no religious test” clause is elsewhere.

Not only that, but the religious test applies to legal qualifications for office. Members of a political party can impose any qualifications they desire on candidates they select to run for office.

50 posted on 08/23/2012 9:25:07 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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