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Posted on 08/25/2012 4:25:01 AM PDT by Zakeet
The marquee night of next week's Republican National Convention will feature testimonials from individuals who worked with Mitt Romney in his local church the most expansive discussion yet by the GOP hopeful's campaign of his Mormon faith.
A senior Romney official who briefed reporters Friday morning said that among the representatives of the church who will be featured Thursday would be someone who followed him as the leader of the faith community and who would talk "about what it was like to fill Gov. Romney's shoes."
Others will be those who Romney "helped in different times of their lives," Romney campaign strategist Russ Schriefer said.
It's part of an evening in which the campaign plans to tell Romney's story "in a very complete way." It also will include more than a dozen Olympians, including 1980 U.S. men's hockey gold medalist Mike Eruzione, who lit the torch at the 2002 Salt Lake Winter Games that Romney ran.
Not mentioned on the call as part of the Thursday proceedings was Romney's business record, a part of his resume the Obama campaign has zeroed in on during the summer.
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Personally, I believe the "we Mormons are really Christians just like you ... and we're not all that weird" spiel will be counterproductive with respect to appealing to conservatives ... and will be interpreted as a thinly veiled attempt at proselytisation by Evangelical Christians ... and will give more ammunition to the radical left and their MSM lapdogs ... but what do I know?
Somebody is seriously misunderstanding what drives evangelical denunciation of the belief, and making the convention a Mormon exposition will only exacerbate the problem because, yes, it will appear to be proselytizing, which begs correction from a Biblical point of view, and thus the cycle of acrimony flares up yet again.
Stressing common ground with a Biblical foundation, as well as highlighting positive traits of thrift, preparation and patriotism associated with Mormons as a people is as far as it should be taken by a rational candidate who actually isn't attempting to proselytize.
No matter what ever hellish practices are involved?
Jim; you better move this one to the Religion area before it gets out of hand.
I think it’s good to face the religion issue head on. The lamestream is already on it, but of course, Black Liberation Theology is untouchable.
IT IS THEIR RIGHT UNDER THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES! As a matter of fact, it is the first right.
Do you want your right to practice your faith infringed upon because some other nutbag religious sect thinks ours is an abomination? Damn, there are several of them, but as long as we all have to live and honor the same rules and laws, leave them the hell alone.
My pastor once made a comment in one of his sermons that was centered on the Samaritans. "Be mindful of how you live your life, you may be the only Bible some will ever read."
The message that sent to me was that by your example, it may be the only taste test they will take of Christianity. Much like those stupid GEICO taste test commercials.
“No matter what ever hellish practices are involved?”
A am Christian, yet there are ‘Christian’ denominations other than LDS that I believe have rather ‘hellish practices’.
I have never heard them use the inclusive term “Christians just like you”.
It’s always the exclusive form we hear: “We are Christian”.
Personally I don’t understand the evangelicals position that Mormons are not Christian. If they are trying to influence people outside Mormonism or potential conversions that is one thing but the individual Mormon knows how he prays with a reference to Christ in every single prayer and when Evangelicals produce the argument that Mormons are not Christian, every other thing that person says becomes suspect.
This argument strengthens the individual Mormon’s beliefs as the person who says that a Mormon is not a Christian has now lost all credibility.
“IT IS THEIR RIGHT UNDER THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES!”
Actually, religious beliefs are protected under the Constitution.
However, actions based upon those beliefs can and have been restricted. Human sacrifice and polygamy are but two examples of religious beliefs that are protected but are illegal in practice.
Without getting into what is Romney’s church food fight did any of you see Juan Williams go ballistic yesterday on the Five when Dana Perino said she had never met a Mormon who was not nice.
You would have thought Dana said the “N” word. Williams thought it was terrible Dana would say that.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm! Says quite a bit about Williams black, commie-centric view of the world.
I then ran through my memory of Mormons I have known in my life time and Dana was right. While I would not agree with their religion they were just darn nice people. Oh, Oh, Williams will be calling me a racist.
I suppose you missed the other part that said we all had to live and honor all the rules and laws?
Interesting those who know nothing of mormonism said this would never happen, those of us who know mormonism say - tolda so.
It might serve you well to lean about mormonism.
mormonism does not teach the Biblical Christ.
They teach the lds god was once a man, that the lds jesus was just a son of the lds god.
The lds teach that the lds jesus is not sufficient for salvation, because salvation must be earned.
lds do not beleive in grace as sufficient.
When lds use the words, jesus christ or savior they are not saying the Biblical Jesus or Salvation.
When lds say christ they are not talking about the Biblical eternal Christ, they are talking about a created christ, a son of the lds god who was once a man.
When lds say salvation they are not talking about Biblical Salvation they are talking about lds salvation which must be earned.
lds use the same words but they are not Biblical words.
lds have to be nice it is part of their working for salvation.
So, are you going to mount a campaign to have these people locked away because they don’t believe as you?
I know far more about Mormonism than you ASSUME. My sister had become one several years ago and although I don’t agree with her religion, I have put my life on the line to protect her right to choose her faith as she desires.
We went through this same crap in 1960 over Catholicism. Do you think we should lock all of them up as well? “Assuming” you are not Catholic.
People of FR sometimes say really incoherent things, you haven't even risen to that level here.
You really need help if you actually believe what you have posted.
So what is the “Mormon” solution? Mormon only drinking fountains? Mormon only restaurants? Mormon only rest rooms? Two can play this hyperbole game.
You really need help.
Actually read what I wrote, is the information correct or not.
For reasons known only to yourself, you are projecting onto my posts things I am not saying.
Why is that?
It is you calling to shut people up about speaking freely on religion, you cannot remove our Constitutional right to speak on Mormonism, so cut it out.
By the way, not all of Mormon practices are legal, the federal government had a different view on their polygamy, luckily, God changed his mind for them in 21 years before Reagan was born.
I’m sorry, while I am voting for Ryan and Romney, have donated and have a R&R sticker on my car, I have a real problem with anyone who believes that 1800 years after Jesus, a guy found a book that shows that America was settled by Jews — not to mention that he believes many other truly made up Mormon beliefs. I’m trying to ignore that, as a Lutheran Christian!
I am only defending their right to privately practice as they so choose, again within our laws, which you seem to have a problem with. Your “projection” smacks of disapproval of anyone who believes differently from you.
Your predication of “lds” before God and before Jesus Christ is your opinion and in such caries about as much weight as does their beliefs which are their opinion, no matter what the H it is.
So if you are so exercised about having anything to do with the mention of lds in the arena of public debate then go ahead and vote for your Homey Barry because he needs all the help he can get from those who are so friggin tolerant, in their opinion.
Ok, your post is projecting on me what I did not say.
mormons are free to practice their belief, I never said otherwise it is their constitutional right.
The information I provided is correct, if you would like to see their leaders words or their BofM or D&C quotes I can provide them, it is not just my opinion is it is what lds teach.
I am not as you put it exercised about the public debate of mormonism, I long for its exposure. The more exposure the better.
I get that you have a sister who apparently converted to mormonism and I am sorry about that.
So you understand where my knowledge comes from with regards to mormonism, I have a huge mormon family. They are in every aspect of the lds structure, some of the distant mormon relatives can trace their line to Joseph Smith, I am not uninformed about who and what mormonism is.
I am concerned about people trapped in mormoism, with in my family I have seen great tragedy directly related to it.
I am concerned about peoples souls.
mormonism presents itself as something it is not.
If you as a Catholic/Christian do not understand that mormonism drives people away from God not towards Him, I am sorry.
I will not stop trying to expose mormonism for what it is, and no sir there is nothing you can do about that.
You see I understand these peoples very souls are at stake.
I'm sorry I wasn't more clear.
Their PRACTICE of their hellish rites are not trying to be suppressed; but the INFORMATION about them seem to be.
Do you REALLY want a country where one CANNOT speak openly about the demonic practices of a certain group?
LDS is NOT a 'denomination'.
You will by November 6th!
It's not just 'evangelicals', but ALL of mainstream Christianity makes this claim.
I used to have a '74 Dodge Dart with a 426 emblem on the side.
And there are NONE of them in any of UTAH's prisons; either.
You are correct; but only one is...
the MORMON god (one of them) changes his(?) mind quite often.
The BLACK "I am a MORMON" folks are glad that he did.
As a 'christian' who has read the Book; I WILL not ignore the fact that FALSE TEACHINGS are to be exposed and rebuked.
"... then feel as comfortable as you can to throw that first stone at the Mormons as a whole."
There are a few outspoken voices ar FR, Jim Robinson included, who do not believe MormonISM is Christianity. The people caught in the ISM are not going to have stones thrown at them by these outspoken voices, but the ISM is fair game for posting their own teachings and faith foundation documents. Yes, these threads get twisted into attack the Morman presidentail candidate by using his religions' teachings and beliefs as ammunition, but you don't help stop that by playing these deceitful apologetics ploys, like switching the focus from the ISM to the adherents. ... Are you sure you're not a Mormon pretending to be a non-Mormon?
I will grant you one point, that we are witnessing incessant attacks on the adherent, Mitt Romney, in the name of attacking the beliefs of ISM. That is a sad fact at FR of late, but this thread is at least not int he religion forum, though it is doing the media's dirty work, attacking the candidate based upon his religion.
Incidentally, you do not see Jim Robinson doing that media devilry, do you! So why are you helping to inflame the thread by playing bait and switch and mischaracterization games?
Temple Worthy MORMONs make THIS vow:
Law of Sacrifice: The posterity of Adam down to Moses, and from Moses to Jesus Christ offered up the first fruits of the field, and the firstlings of the flock, which continued until the death of Jesus Christ, which ended sacrifice by the shedding of blood. And as Jesus Christ has laid down his life for the redemption of mankind, so we should covenant to sacrifice all that we possess, even our own lives if necessary, in sustaining and defending the Kingdom of God.
The kingdom of God on earth exists wherever the priesthood of God is (TPJS, pp. 271-74). At present it is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Well, interestingly enough, that is exactly what they teach.
Not only that, but to reach heaven you have to accept Joseph Smith as a prophet and pass by him on your way into heaven.
The whole premise of LDS teachings is that all Christianity is wrong and that "god" sent Mormonism to restore the church.
According to them, you CANNOT have a relationship with God without being a part of their Church.
So what now for you?
I don’t see anyone trying to deny mormons their rights to practice.
What I do see are folks defending Christianity from mormonism. A religion that claims all other Christians are apostates, spawns of satan or belong to the church erstwhile described as the “whore of Babylon” [Catholic].
If mormonism can attack Christianity, claim it is the “restored” gospel of Christ, label all Christians as apostates, then why can’t Christians contend for their faith as Evangelicals, Baptists, Lutherans, Catholics, etc.?
Why must Christians be silent on the matter? Why can’t we challenge mormon doctrine and theology when they are claiming that JS supposedly met with a “personage”, who claimed that all of us were apostates? Why must we accept their claim that JS purportedly met with Christ in contravention to Acts 1:9-11 in addition to the myriad other claims they made and continue to make?
Their “beliefs” are theirs, can’t and won’t argue that. We each have our own.
Otoh, their doctrine, teachings and theology are wide open to criticism and examination, just as our own are.
Unfortunately, your red herring about 0bama is just that. Red. Their are many on FR who view mormonism in a negative way who have already stated they’re voting for R/R.
I guess we should also suspend our belief system that would have us contend for the faith and be on the lookout for the wolves within the flock?
“For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ,
not only to believe in him, but also to suffer with him,
since you are going through the same struggle you saw I had,
and now hear that I still have.”
Please read this posting in its entirety before commenting because the ending is the culmination of my argument.
Their inventiveness towards the Mormon religion shows they are not willing, or at least, are in any way receptive to have them presented in the arena of public debate, which is still part of the rights package our founders created for us. Nobody is forcing anyone to believe them just as nobody should be forcing them to believe us. I could personally care less what they think of my salvation.
For those who profess intimate knowledge of the Mormon doctrines have not answered to my posts with anything other than opinion. I have yet to see any links to original and bonafide doctrine directly from the Mormon church as it exists today, so have at it and maybe, just maybe, some will have backed their opinions by something other than other opinions.
On the subject of opinions, I have heard the opinion of some baptists and evangelicals (some from the pulpit) that the "Holy Father" presides on his throne in heaven, not in a white robe on one made by man in Rome. Who is right and who is wrong? I afford those who believe and espouse in the latter as they do because it is their right to do so, period.
I could not agree more that Christians are being persecuted all over the world. But just in case you have not noticed, those persecutors (more specifically Islam) have no concern whether their target is Catholic, Mormon, Greek Orthodox, Baptist, Southern Baptist, Coptic, Lutheran, Presbyterian, and I can go on and on. If we divide ourselves at this point in time, we will accomplish on our own that the persecutors have so longed to do to us(self proclaimed Christians) without having the first drop of blood on their own hands.
We are in a global fight for our own existence in a much larger picture way. So let us think big picture and join our "Christian" fight against all of those who think it is their divine calling to destroy us. If we are to be destroyed, let us do it together fighting the forces of darkness and evil instead of each other.
You do know I was only referring to those who I had met RIGHT?
And the alleged conservative circular firing squad continues for yet another day unless you agree with 100% of a candidates view, religion, car they drive, horse they ride, food they eat, underwear...etc.
No wonder the liberals eat our lunch as they are nothing but a cobbled together group of 1 issue, tunnel visioned, individuals and as long as their 1 hot button issue, like killing babies, is allowed they will march in lock step right to communism’s door.
Keep it up and we will have 4 more years of introductory communism from the White House and all the comrades in the House and Senate.
I have no doubt the best outcome from the current RINOs will simply slow down our slide towards communism but I’ll take that to give us more time to elect more Tea Party conservatives in the House and Senate to restrain the almost unbridled power being issued from the White Hut in the form of illegal EOs which our spineless congress makes no attempt to address.
That is demonstratedably false!
Reply #37 is NOT 'opinion' but FACT - straight from MORMON sources.
The only change will come from outside DC.
This and every other election is just a fight between 2 factions of Washingtonians over who gets to control and redistribute to their friends the tax dollars extorted from the productive class from the Atlantic to the Pacific by the IRS.
The Washingtonians play us chumps in the rest of the country for suckers, no matter who wins, the Washingtonians do just fine.
States have to separate from the union in order for the collapse of the federal leviathan and reorganization to occur.
Left unchecked, the Federal apparatchiks will milk every last dime from the populace, and then the government will collapse anyway, just like the USSR.
Why wait for the inevitable.
The homosexual marriage issue is just like slavery, and will be the next catalyst towards dissolution of the union.
Time to rebuild, move the Capitol out of Washington and rotate it amongst the states, limit the Franchise, impose term limits, and throw the communist states of the Northeast and far West out of the new Republic and let them reap what they have sewn.
Bet you never bothered to read the last two paragraphs, now did you? Is your fear more of Mormons or Islamists? Better make a command decision really fast sweety because there will come a time you will have to and if you have not answered that one in your heart, you won’t be able to when that time comes.
BTW, I stopped reading the barrage of knee jerk postings yesterday and went out to do something important, fried shrimp.
No; we're in a FIGHT for men's souls: an ETERNAL picture.
Letting people continue down the wrong path will bring judgement on MY head.
I choose to minimize that as much as possible.
Well; that is exactly what you said; but it was said in such a way to IMPLY that ALL mormons are 'good' people.
Only false teaching about Jesus Christ is being singled out.
If your 'conservatism' trumps that; then why are you on a thread, whose owner seems to place GOD first in a list of mission objectives?
I see they took my advice!