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To: sayuncledave; Arthur McGowan; Derp Mountain; RaisingCain; BillyBoy; iowamark; ...
Imagine what would happen if all the moral conservatives from both the republican and democratic parties .. not just supporters, but leaders as well, elected office holders, movers and shakers, the influence leaders who are sick of the status quo, but have resigned themselves to it, imagine if immediately after this election .. in preparation for the next .. said, “that’s it. Nothing ever really changes. A new party is needed where men and women from within the current party establishments leave the old game and start an entirely new one? What would be the possibilities?

Every non-Catholic political conservative needs to know that Michael Voris sees them as a "cancer to be eliminated" and sees democracy as "an experiment doomed to failure". Two years ago, almost to the week, Voris revealed his real desire for America (and stunningly, some FReepers actually applauded it). The August 12, 2010 "RealCatholic TV" YouTube-hosted video that was the subject of the FR thread Catholic Government [Michael Voris video] has since been pulled, but copies exist elsewhere. So that there is no mistaking the message, I took the time to transcribe the entire video. Here's the complete text for the Michael Voris/RealCatholicTV video episode titled "Catholic Government", dated August 12, 2010:

Hello everyone, and welcome to "The Vortex", where lies and falsehoods are trapped and exposed. I'm Michael Voris.

There's an inherent problem with democracy. Actually, it's definitional. It's this: everyone gets to vote. That's right, EVERYONE gets to vote.

Consider for a moment: the informed get to vote, those who have studied the candidates and issues, and consider the impact not only on themselves but the society at large. But in addition to the informed, the ignorant get to vote as well, those who have studied nothing and don't care about anything except themselves and their own narrow interests.

Imagine the scene: two voters, walking into voting booths side-by-side. One casts a vote with an eye to improving society at large, by rolling back abortion, defending traditional marriage, or reducing government's ability to crush families with heavy taxation, etc. Such a voter casts his vote with an eye to the common good - the authentic common good, what's best for the culture as a whole. Right next to his is a voter who doesn't give a hoot about society at large. All he cares about is his own selfish interests: insuring abortion stays legal so he can have sex with no consequences, or have his decision to have sex with another man celebrated as a right. Such a voter exhibits little else than an adolescent preoccupation with self-absorption. Imagine, he actually gets to vote! What a country! What a system! And it is a system that will end in self-destruction.

The nature of man is to be self-absorbed. That is because our nature is fallen. It no longer looks at God. Rather, it looks into a mirror. In fact, it stares into the mirror, totally absorbed, and can think of little else. This is why, if we're going to insist on a system where we're going to elect leaders - if we're going to insist on that system - only virtuous people should be allowed to vote. Ruthless men and women who, knowing human nature very well, and thereby the means to control and manipulate it, hold great influence over the selfish masses. They connive and scheme their way to power by appealing to the most base level of human ignorance, namely, to a false sense of liberty. They class everything in terms of "rights": a "right" to marry your homosexual sex partner, a "right" to kill your child, a "right" to have others in society pay for your lack of effort, your desire for contraception, food, housing, medical services, education, clothes - anything that can be imagined. Such societal parasites will cast their votes in such a way that will only hasten the destruction of a nation. It's like a cancer destroying its host. It enjoys ravaging the body, until the body is dead.

The cancer must be eliminated, and the only way to prevent a democracy from committing suicide is to limit the vote to faithful Catholics. Only a true Catholic nation in fact will survive, can survive, because only truly Catholic people will be the ones looking at God & not staring in the mirror. When they cast their their votes, they cast them with an eye to what God desires, not fallen human nature. But as the body politic continues to be ravaged by the cancer of ignorant self-centered voters, it becomes more and more clear that a national euthanasia is occurring.

But in truth, this is really the way the whole idea of democracy is little less than an experiment doomed to failure from the outset. Eventually, the evil in the heart of man overtakes him, when he dismisses God. No, the only way to run a country is by benevolent dictatorship. A Catholic monarch, who protects his people from themselves, and bestows on them what they need, not necessarily what they want, who protects their rights as human beings. It was this political system that caused Europe to emerge from the morass of marauding barbarians and create Western Civilization. A noble Catholic monarch advances the common good while loving and caring for his people. If you think about it, this is exactly how the universe is governed, isn't it? "Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven."

God bless you, I'm Michael Voris.


17 posted on 08/26/2012 9:52:10 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2898271/posts?page=119#119)
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To: Alex Murphy

You know, the funny thing here is that you’ve posted this in response to an article that espouses either truly moral republican candidates or a third party which truly espouses moral stances conservatism demands. Does this mean that you, Alex, are in fact against standing against abortion, so-called gay “marriage”, et al? No? In that case, perhaps the diatribe belongs in a more appropriate spot, doesn’t it?


18 posted on 08/26/2012 10:41:59 AM PDT by sayuncledave (et Verbum caro factum est (And the Word was made flesh))
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To: Alex Murphy
"and sees democracy as "an experiment doomed to failure""

That seems pretty consistent with the founders:

"Hence it is that democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and in general have been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths... A republic, by which I mean a government in which a scheme of representation takes place, opens a different prospect and promises the cure for which we are seeking." (James Madison, Federalist Papers, the McClean Edition, Federalist Paper #10, page 81, 1788)

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!" Franklin, Benjamin

“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.” - Thomas Jefferson

“Our real disease - which is democracy.” - Alexander Hamilton

“Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.” - John Adams

“Democracy will soon degenerate into an anarchy; such an anarchy that every man will do what is right in his own eyes and no man's life or property or reputation or liberty will be secure, and every one of these will soon mould itself into a system of subordination of all the moral virtues and intellectual abilities, all the powers of wealth, beauty, wit, and science, to the wanton pleasures, the capricious will, and the execrable [abominable] cruelty of one or a very few.” - John Adams

“A democracy is a volcano which conceals the fiery materials of its own destruction. These will produce an eruption and carry desolation in their way. The known propensity of a democracy is to licentiousness [excessive license] which the ambitious call, and ignorant believe to be liberty.” - Fisher Ames

21 posted on 08/26/2012 11:06:32 AM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Alex Murphy

To be honest I’d much rather have the Papists running things than Barack Hussain Obama, Mitt Romney, Karl Rove, Nancy Pelosi, and so on and so forth. Voris is fundamentally right on Democracy, which is what our Republic has certainly devolved into, especially with the healthcare ruling. There is essentially no constitutional protected rights anymore, and I don’t expect them to be retrieved any time soon with our current flock of “representative” leaders. What will likely happen is this: At some point the ponzi scheme that is social security, medicare, medicaid and all the other government programs will reach a point where the banksters and politicians can no longer kick the can down the road. If the military is not stripped bare and if we do not immediately get invaded by the Russians and Chinese, then the economy will collapse, we’ll probably still get invaded, and what we’ll have at the end is a monarchy. And, in fact, there will be monarchies across the world, with little Hitlers here or there rising up from the ruins of the former capitalist economies that tried socialism and Godlessness and faced the inevitable result: absolute rule by evil men.

But this (arguing over Catholic Monarchies, Protestant monarchies) is like arguing over Utopias or our pet ideology, looking to a perfect world. The world will never be perfect, there will never be a perfect governmental order, and that is because men are inherently imperfect and prone to delusions and wickedness. A discussion about the tooth fairy or Santa Claus would be more beneficial.


28 posted on 08/26/2012 1:55:56 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: Alex Murphy
Every non-Catholic political conservative needs to know that Michael Voris sees them as a "cancer to be eliminated" and sees democracy as "an experiment doomed to failure". Two years ago, almost to the week, Voris revealed his real desire for America (and stunningly, some FReepers actually applauded it). The August 12, 2010 "RealCatholic TV" YouTube-hosted video that was the subject of the FR thread Catholic Government [Michael Voris video] has since been pulled, but copies exist elsewhere. So that there is no mistaking the message, I took the time to transcribe the entire video. Here's the complete text for the Michael Voris/RealCatholicTV video episode titled "Catholic Government", dated August 12, 2010

Appreciate the effort. There aren't many Catholics that prefer a monarchy. I understand the logic and the appeal to the rational, but the fact is that nowhere in Catholic theology is the prescription of temporal government.

29 posted on 08/26/2012 2:53:25 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Alex Murphy

LULWAT...? I can’t begin to read that many words


31 posted on 08/26/2012 5:40:56 PM PDT by Derp Mountain (ship the liberals all back to Massachusetts and secede it from the union)
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To: Alex Murphy; stylecouncilor; windcliff

Thanks AM. Very interesting.

s, w added interest ping.


32 posted on 08/26/2012 8:00:49 PM PDT by onedoug
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