Skip to comments.Outrage at friar's claims that it is often the teenage boys who seduce priests...
Posted on 08/31/2012 8:03:38 PM PDT by Morgana
FULL TITLE: Outrage at friar's claims that it is often the teenage boys who seduce priests in religious sex abuse cases... and he calls Sandusky 'a poor guy'
A friar has sparked outrage after claiming it is often the boys who seduce priests in religious sexual abuse cases.
In an interview with the National Catholic Register, Father Benedict Groeschel of the conservative Franciscan Friars of the Renewal, said he did not believe a priest found guilty of sexual absuse should go to jail if it was his first offence.
He even went on to describe disgraced Penn State football coach Jerry Sandusky as a 'poor guy'.
Father Groeschel, an influential voice in the American catholic community, has written several books and appears weekly on a religious television network.
He said: 'People have this picture in their minds of a person planning to [be] a psychopath.
'But thats not the case. Suppose you have a man having a nervous breakdown, and a youngster comes after him. A lot of the cases, the youngster 14, 16, 18 is the seducer.'
He added: 'Heres this poor guy Sandusky it went on for years. Interesting: Why didnt anyone say anything? Apparently, a number of kids knew about it and didnt break the ice.
'Well, you know, until recent years, people did not register in their minds that it was a crime. It was a moral failure, scandalous; but they didnt think of it in terms of legal things.'
'If you go back 10 or 15 years ago with different sexual difficulties except for rape or violence it was very rarely brought as a civil crime.'
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
Probably a lib in disguise.
Actually, he’s a big-time figure on ETWN
They need to get a warrant and check this guy’s computer. Probably some very interesting — and disgusting — things in there.
Suppose this is even remotely true, The Priest shouldn’t just say no, go away, not right, not interested?
The Mayans were right. It’s all over 12/21/2012.
Weirder and weirder everyday..........
Methinks you are on to something.
I met Father Groeschel years ago at the Washington March For Life and used to watch him on EWTN before he was seriously injured in an accident.
He prayed outside of abortion mills for years. I always looked up to him (and I’m not Catholic).
This is shocking and heartbreaking.
He's the founder, IIRC of the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal. Sadly, in 2004, he was hit by a car, and suffered broken arms, legs, head trauma, and was hospitalized for a really long time.
IIRC, he suffered either some heart attacks, and strokes during the subsequent hospitalization, so, I think he's probably "just not right in the head", anymore.
I heard he has brain damage from a bad accident. There was a thread earlier today on this.
Now I understand why Friar Tuck was always hanging out with those merry men.
FWIW: He’s pretty ill and has cognitive problems, the story was pulled and statements issued.
Bet they won’t find a single thing. These freaks know how to ‘lock’ a computer so that the FBI’s best people can’t even see into it.
There was a guy who was accused of child molestation, I think, and I remember reading how no one could come up with the many codes to get into it. (I think he was in the DA’s office or something like that and he killed himself when he was surrounded by LE.)
Father Benedict Groeschel is suffering from dementia, and Alzheimer’s. Over the last year I’ve watched his cognitive abilities fail drastically. You have no idea who this man is, or what he’s accomplished in his life.
Father Groechel is an upright and holy priest. I’m thinking this is just another hit piece on someone the media doesn’t like.
The fact that it came from email, too, bothers me.
Father Groeschel, an influential voice in the American catholic community, <<<
LMAO...Not any more Pal!
Yes, he should not have been interviewed in the first place due to his chronic ill health. This really stinks of bad political orchestration of some malevolence.
Excuse me. You have no idea who I am.
And my comment was an answer to someone else, not you.
Fr. Benedict Groeschel is a PhD Psychologist and a good conservative man. He works in the streets in Brooklyn and is well-respected. Do you just think they are taking words out of context and making a mountain out of a molehill? And what might be the reason?
Thank you, heights. He is a good man, and yes, his cognitive abilities have deteriorated a lot over the last year.
I agree, some sort of power play within the Church. Liberal Catholics have always disliked him.
I think he may not have said most of the original interview - he probably can’t talk much and certainly not in such a coherent way. I suspect this is an ugly sabotage now.
You intimate that a Holy and righteous man, might be hiding Child pornography on his computer. Your right, I don’t know you, or do I wish to.
The powerplay is not from the church per se - probably from outside using the liberal pawns.
That is exactly the response they were trying to elicit by this online article.
Does anyone know if Father Groeschel will no longer have his “Sunday Night Live” show on EWTN?
What a towering intellect Father Groeschel had in his prime. He has probably forgotten more than most of us will ever know. I think the coma after the accident, the stroke, and general aging are starting to take a toll on him. The poster who said his computer should be checked for child porn made an ignorant and scurilous statement. I saw Father give several conferences in Lexington, Ky in 2002 and it was a tour de force. He was still quite sharp. Pray for Father Groeschel. He is a saint who has been imprisoned for his defense of the unborn.
Actually, apart from certain religious, they did consider it a crime.
His audio shows seem to have been removed from the Ewtn web-site library. Very disheartening.
The Spider And The Fly
“Will you walk into my parlor?” said the fly to the spider;
“’Tis the prettiest little parlor that ever you may spy.
The way into my parlor is up a winding stair,
And I have many curious things to show when you are there.”
“Oh no, no,” said the big spider to the little fly; “to ask me is in vain,
For who goes up your winding stair can ne’er come down again.”
“I’m sure you must be weary, dear, with spinning up so high.
Well you rest upon my little bed?” said the fly to the spider.
“There are pretty curtains drawn around; the sheets are fine and thin,
And if you like to rest a while, I’ll snugly tuck you in!”
“Oh no, no,” said the big spider, “for I’ve often heard it said,
They never, never wake again who sleep upon your bed!”
Said the cunning fly to the spider: “Dear friend, what can I do
To prove the warm affection I’ve always felt for you?
I have within my pantry good store of all that’s nice;
I’m sure you’re very welcome - will you please to take a slice?”
“Oh no, no,” said the Big spider; “kind Lady Fly, that cannot be:
I’ve heard what’s in your pantry, and I do not wish to see!”
“Sweet creature!” said the little fly, “you’re witty and you’re wise;
How handsome are your long legs; how brilliant are your many eyes!
I have a little looking-glass upon my parlor shelf;
If you’d step in one moment, dear, you shall behold yourself.”
“I thank you, gentle Lady,” he said, “for what you’re pleased to say,
And, bidding you good morning now, I’ll call another day.”
The fly turned him round about, and went into her corner,
For well she knew the silly spider would soon come back again:
So she set a subtle meal in a little corner sly,
And set her table ready to dine upon the spider;
Then came out to her door again and merrily did sing:
“Come hither, hither, pretty spider, with pearl eyes and silver legs;
Your robes are red and black; there’s an hourglass upon your head;
Your eyes are like many diamonds bright, but mine are red as blood!”
Alas, alas! how very soon this silly silly spider,
Hearing her wily, flattering words, came slowly walking by;
With magic spinning movements he hung aloft, then near and nearer grew,
Thinking only of his hundreds of brilliant eyes and black and red hue,
Thinking only of his hourglass head. Poor, foolish thing! at last
Up jumped the cunning fly, and fiercely held the spider fast;
She dragged him up her winding stair, into the dismal corner wall-
Within her little parlor - but he ne’er came out again!
And now, dear little children, who may this story read,
To idle, silly flattering words I pray you ne’er give heed;
Unto an evil counselor close heart and ear and eye,
And take a lesson from this tale of the spider and the fly.
This guy is a pedophile. That is exactly what pedos say, “the child seduced me.”
Why the editors ever published it is beyond me considering the National Catholic Register is a service of EWTN and Father Groeschel is an respected and well liked host of one of their shows. Maybe that bears investigation.
What a load of road apples! This has ALWAYS been considered a sin in Christianity and child molestation is most certainly a crime in America and has been in every state for many, many years.
Read this thread about St. Peter Damian's Book of Gomorrah: Homosexual Situation Graver than Damian's Time. Damian's book was written in the early part of the eleventh century. Homosexuality and pederasty among the clergy is NOTHING new.
EWTN - who will they have left? Fr. Corapi gone. Fr. Euteneuer gone. Now Fr. Groeschel. Satan never, ever sleeps. Prayers for the victimized everywhere.
Yet he still has a regular program on EWTN and is let loose to respond to interviews and post his thoughts on the web site? Do you think he was talking about his genuine views on this subject or was he having a "senior moment"? Will someone be monitoring him now?
The article was in the Charlotte Observer newspaper today, too. NOT a smear campaign from an Email.
The other guy said it was an email.
Maybe he felt this way for years but because of his accident and age he no longer has the mental filter to stop saying what he is thinking.
I do know an abused person not by clergy but relatives. He was so confused he would go to any because of sex. He thought this was normal behind doors as a kid. This is how far this abuse ruined a life. He would initiate the act because he thought it was normal as a kid.
Now this priest is a therapist. Could he be trying to explain this bad side of abuse? I do not know but he needs to be investigated. He has some kind of misplaced spiritual love for a first time offender who needs to be contained from children to say the least.
Oh ok, yes, that’s why I posted the link from the Register, there was an interview and they did publish it. The WSJ referenced it too.
It is true, sometimes the teen is the seducer.
That does not remove culpability from the of-age adult.
I have an acquaintance who was seduced by a trio of admittedly underage teens. He was reported to the police by the teens who admitted on the witness stand they were blackmailing him for thousands of dollars to keep quiet, and reported him because he didn’t pay. This did not keep keep him out of jail for life. (135 years for three teenagers)
He does belong in jail. But IMHO the teens are just as disgusting.
I don't know about homosexual sin oriented young men, but I do know that some girls in my high school were very seductive towards adult men, who usually didn't succumb, but I know one teacher that did. Some of the girls in my high school had the mentality of 40 year old prostitutes. There was not much innocent about them at all.
This makes me question the article. Any Priest of his standing should know about 'millstone tied about their neck and cast into the sea.'
Such a scriptural failure just doesn't sound right.
I think someone is out to scuttle him, or the damage from the accident was worse than it was thought to be.
it’s a priest psychologist and alas, back in the 1980’s such cases were not prosecuted. In 1970’s some on the front line of medicine were saying teenagers should be allowed to have sex and older mentors should train them.
And I don’t know about boys, but if you had a girl who had been sexually abused, you had to warn her fosterparents/grandparents/adoptive parents that she would try to seduce the men in the family.
And since one cdc survey shows 12 to 24 percent of gay teens had “intercourse” below age 13, it looks like no one worries about it unless it was by a priest.
one should note that the priest has already apologized (it was on a live program) and most folks who watched the show are aware that he is slow of speech and gets things mixed up a lot, after a major brain injury (he is mainly an interviewer on the show).
but of course this is only a way for the PC to destroy the priest and mother angelica’s catholic tv net work, so don’t rely on the press coverage.
Irrespective of the circumstances involving this particular interview and this particular priest - who I don’t know anything about, the Catholic church needs to be beyond any reproach regarding this issue. If you can’t trust the church to protect children, you just can’t trust the church.
I didn't like that theme when my English teacher covered it so long ago. I still don't.
No doubt this guy is as queer as a football bat and he’s worried someone is going to come forward and reveal his secrets...
My comment was actually about someone else. Knowing people with traumatic brain injuries, I have yet to hear any of them defend heinous crimes and make excuses for the people who commit them.