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Sister Simone Campbell, ‘Nun from the Bus,’ rips Republicans at Democratic convention
RNS ^ | September 5, 2012 | David Gibson

Posted on 09/06/2012 12:47:40 PM PDT by NYer

(RNS) Paul Ryan has been taking a lot of heat over the factual accuracy of claims he made in his prime time address at the Republican convention last week, but Wednesday night at the Democratic confab the GOP vice-presidential candidate – and practicing Catholic – was schooled by a popular nun on the moral shortcomings of his budget proposals.

“Paul Ryan claims this budget reflects the principles of our shared faith,” Sister Simone Campbell, who became a celebrity of sorts this summer when she led the national “Nuns on the Bus” tour for social justice, told cheering Democratic delegates in Charlotte.

“But the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops stated that the Ryan budget failed a basic moral test, because it would harm families living in poverty,” Campbell said.

“We agree with our bishops, and that's why we went on the road: to stand with struggling families and to lift up our Catholic sisters who serve them. Their work to alleviate suffering would be seriously harmed by the Romney-Ryan budget, and that is wrong.”

By framing her critique in the context of her Christian faith, Campbell was directly challenging the Republicans in the kind of religious language that has been a hallmark of the GOP’s campaign to rally believers behind Mitt Romney and Ryan.


Sister Simone Campbell addresses an audience Monday July 2, 2012 to concluded the Nuns on the Bus tour.

But she also sought to identify the sisters and the Democratic agenda with Catholic tradition at a time when Catholic voters – who comprise close to one-quarter of the electorate – are considered key to the November election.

Just as important, Campbell neatly folded her remarks in with statements from the Catholic hierarchy, which has had more than its share of disagreements with President Obama and the Democratic Party over issues like gay marriage and abortion.

Campbell did not address those hot-button issues directly, but she did defend Obama’s health care reform law as a cause she considers “part of my pro-life stance and the right thing to do.”

“In Cincinnati, I met Jini, who had just come from her sister's memorial service,” Campbell said in one of several anecdotes she related from the summer bus tour of nine states. “When Jini's sister Margaret lost her job, she lost her health insurance. She developed cancer and had no access to diagnosis or treatment. She died unnecessarily. That is tragic. And it is wrong.”

Like many other speakers so far, Campbell underscored the plight of poor and working class Americans in the recession, and pointed to Democratic policies as both the most effective answer, and the most moral one.

“During our journey, I rediscovered a few truths,” Campbell said. “First, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are correct when they say that each individual should be responsible. But their budget goes astray in not acknowledging that we are responsible not only for ourselves and our immediate families. Rather, our faith strongly affirms that we are all responsible for one another.”

“I am my sister's keeper. I am my brother's keeper,” she said in one of several lines that drew rousing applause.

Here is the text of Campbell's remarks:

Good evening, I'm Sister Simone Campbell, and I'm one of the "nuns on the bus." So, yes, we have nuns on the bus. And a nun on the podium!

Let me explain why I'm here. In June, I joined other Catholic sisters on a 2,700-mile bus journey through nine states to tell Americans about the budget Congressman Paul Ryan wrote and Governor Romney endorsed.

Paul Ryan claims his budget reflects the principles of our shared Catholic faith. But the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops stated that the Ryan budget failed a basic moral test, because it would harm families living in poverty.

We agree with our bishops, and that's why we went on the road: to stand with struggling families and to lift up our Catholic sisters who serve them. Their work to alleviate suffering would be seriously harmed by the Romney-Ryan budget, and that is wrong.

During our journey, I rediscovered a few truths. First, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are correct when they say that each individual should be responsible. But their budget goes astray in not acknowledging that we are responsible not only for ourselves and our immediate families. Rather, our faith strongly affirms that we are all responsible for one another.

I am my sister's keeper. I am my brother's keeper. While we were in Toledo, I met 10-year-old twins Matt and Mark, who had gotten into trouble at school for fighting. Sister Virginia and the staff at the Padua Center took them in when they were suspended and discovered on a home visit that these 10-year-olds were trying to care for their bedridden mother who has MS and diabetes.

They were her only caregivers. The sisters got her medical help and are giving the boys some stability. Now the boys are free to claim much of the childhood they were losing. Clearly, we all share responsibility for the Matts and Marks in our nation.

In Milwaukee, I met Billy and his wife and two boys at St. Benedict's dining room. Billy's work hours were cut back in the recession. Billy is taking responsibility for himself and his family, but right now without food stamps, he and his wife could not put food on their family table.

We all share responsibility for creating an economy where parents with jobs earn enough to take care of their families. In order to cut taxes for the very wealthy, the Romney-Ryan budget would make it even tougher for hard-working Americans like Billy to feed their families. Paul Ryan says this budget is in keeping with the moral values of our shared faith. I disagree.

In Cincinnati, I met Jini, who had just come from her sister's memorial service. When Jini's sister Margaret lost her job, she lost her health insurance. She developed cancer and had no access to diagnosis or treatment. She died unnecessarily. And that is tragic. And it is wrong.

The Affordable Care Act will cover people like Margaret. We all share responsibility to ensure that this vital health care reform law is properly implemented and that all governors, all governors, expand Medicaid coverage so no more Margarets die from lack of care. This is part of my pro-life stance and the right thing to do.

I have so many other stories but let me tell you one more. In Hershey, Pennsylvania, a woman in her late thirties approached us. She asked for the names of some people she could talk to, because she felt alone and isolated. Her neighbors have been polarized by politics masquerading as values. She cares about the well-being of the people in her community.

She wishes they, and the rest of the nation, would listen to one another with kindness and compassion. Listen to one another rather than yell at each other. I told her then, and I tell her now, that she is not alone.

Looking out at you tonight, I feel your presence combined with that of the thousands of caring people we met on our journey. Together, we understand that an immoral budget that hurts already struggling families does not reflect our nation's values. We are better than that.

So I urge you, I urge you, join us on the bus. Join us as together we stand with Matt and Mark, Billy and his family, the woman in Hershey and the Margarets of our nation.

This is what we nuns on the bus are all about: We care for the 100 percent, and that will secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our nation. So join us as we nuns and all of us drive for faith, family and fairness.
 



TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: abortion; catholicchurch; catholics; cino; godgap; nun; nunsonthebus; religiousleft; simonecampbell; sistersimonecampbell; socialjustice
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1 posted on 09/06/2012 12:47:42 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer
But she also sought to identify the sisters and the Democratic agenda with Catholic tradition

Abortion on demand until right before the baby comes out is in the Catholic tradition, Sister? I'm surprised the cross does not burn this foul creature when she puts it on.

2 posted on 09/06/2012 12:49:58 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

The catholic “fishwrap” is gushing all over her appearance at the convention but upset that her time slot was switched with Sandra Fluke’s.


3 posted on 09/06/2012 12:50:13 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer

Yeah..if she’s a nun, then I’m the starting forward for the Lakers..


4 posted on 09/06/2012 12:51:27 PM PDT by BerniesFriend (Sarah Palin-"Lord knows she's attractive" says bitter Andrea Mitchell and the rest of the MSM)
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To: NYer

I didn’t leave the Catholic Church, it left me.


5 posted on 09/06/2012 12:52:35 PM PDT by demsux (Obama: THE job destroyer)
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To: NYer

She looks like an elderly Sandy Fluke.


6 posted on 09/06/2012 12:53:00 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (On 5 September 2012 A.D., the communist Democrats tried to kill God and failed.)
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To: NYer
“Nuns on the Bus” tour for social justice,

Anytime you hear the term, "Social Justice" run for cover as it is a recognized buzz word in the Marxist lexicon.

7 posted on 09/06/2012 12:53:19 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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“We agree with our bishops.."

Well except for that sanctity of life, religious freedom/Obamacare, and all that theology stuff..

8 posted on 09/06/2012 12:55:12 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: NYer

A nun wearing pearl earrings and a pearl necklace? And red lipstick?

I’m perplexed.


9 posted on 09/06/2012 12:56:05 PM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: NYer

too funny.... I bet it is the only time she has agreed with’ her bishops’...what a loon


10 posted on 09/06/2012 12:58:05 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: NYer

Sister Campbell is going to get a big surprise on Judgement Day when God asks her to explain her willingness to propagandize for a pro Infanticide candidate like Barack Obama.


11 posted on 09/06/2012 1:00:31 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Don Corleone
Anytime you hear the term, "Social Justice" run for cover as it is a recognized buzz word in the Marxist lexicon.

It's missing the "ist" after "Social".

12 posted on 09/06/2012 1:01:29 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: NYer
The Weekly Standard: On the legal question, do you think there should be penalties against abortion doctors? I mean, should it be illegal to perform abortions?

Simone Campbell: That’s beyond my pay grade. I don’t know.

Source

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Didn't know nuns had "pay grades."

13 posted on 09/06/2012 1:05:57 PM PDT by x
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To: NYer
This freak obviously doesn't understand her own theology. I'm not an expert, but am a practicing Catholic and was always impressed with Jesus’ stress on the individual and his/her acceptance and coming to God on their own. In fact, the sacrement of Confirmation is specifically so that young adults can confirm their belief in the full state of reason achieved by maturity.

They quote the phrase “I am my sister's keeper. I am my brother's keeper”, but do not understand or willfully misinterpret the meaning. Note the use of the singular, “I”. There is no way to cast this other than, that, I, as an individual, am responsible for my brother or sister. Jesus in no way advocated for inforced charity at the point of a gun, which is what tax and redistribute is.

14 posted on 09/06/2012 1:07:46 PM PDT by oncebitten (Obama: could not get a clue if he were covered in clue musk and standing in a field of horny clues.)
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To: NYer

She may be a nun but I’m having none of it.. it’s her type that have helped to keep so many families in poverty by being closet socialists and not compassionate when it comes to stemming the Red Tide which would engulf all of us and put her out of a ‘job’.


15 posted on 09/06/2012 1:11:16 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: NYer

I have to wonder which Bible these people are reading. Jesus would be appalled at the idolization of government as savior by these people.
When you have read the Bible so you understand it as a whole, you understand what a terrible substitute government is for what God offers.
“You shall have no other gods before Me” includes the government and the reliance on it’s wealth.


16 posted on 09/06/2012 1:14:08 PM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: NYer

The nun on the bus goes
Down down down
Down down down
Down down down

The nun on the bus goes
Down down down
That fire-y hole
In the ground


17 posted on 09/06/2012 1:20:17 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: FlingWingFlyer
She looks like an elderly Sandy Fluke.

You have no idea how many post-menopausal nuns cannot afford their birth control.


18 posted on 09/06/2012 1:21:28 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Wiser now

Schooled by a popular Nun.

Who is she popular with, Lesbians? Abortionists? Socialists?

She cannot obey the tenet’s of her own religion, how can she school anyone on it?


19 posted on 09/06/2012 1:23:08 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: NYer

The nun that thinks taking by force from someone who worked hard, and giving to the lazy?

I can think of a few things that may apply here.

“You shall not steal.”

“You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male servant, or his female servant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor’s.”


20 posted on 09/06/2012 1:24:35 PM PDT by King_Corey (www.kingcorey.com -- OpenCarry.org)
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To: BerniesFriend

She is a member of Sisters of Social Service as evidenced by the lapel pin with the Holy Spirit dove on it. I know who they are. They are a bunch of heretics living in Los Angeles.


21 posted on 09/06/2012 1:26:05 PM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: NYer

There was a time the Catholic Church was trying to rid itself of Liberation Theology. The people who advocate social justice are touting their own superiority over the less fortunate. The idea has never been to help someone out of poverty but to perpetuate it for the Marxists’ own benefit.


22 posted on 09/06/2012 1:29:22 PM PDT by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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To: NYer

We’re supposed to be lectured to from her?

“Progressive favorite Sister Simone Campbell can’t decide if abortion should be illegal”

http://veneremurcernui.wordpress.com/2012/09/06/progressive-favorite-sister-simone-campbell-cant-decide-if-abortion-should-be-illegal/

She is the pesonification of the “cafeteria Catholic”.


23 posted on 09/06/2012 1:30:19 PM PDT by Fido969
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To: griswold3
There was a time the Catholic Church was trying to rid itself of Liberation Theology.

The first few years of John Paul II's papacy were decisive. Having lived years under Communist oppression in Poland he knew Marxist B.S. when he saw it. Sadly I think the current Pope is ambivalent.


24 posted on 09/06/2012 1:32:06 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: NYer

Go to hell “Sister” Campbell.

Seriously.


25 posted on 09/06/2012 1:33:06 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (OWS = The Great American Snivel War)
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To: NYer

The Democrats hit the Republicans hard on Ryan’s budget cuts to the poor and rightfully so.

Ryan’s focus is misplaced. Fix the economy, and then you don’t have to make arbitrary cuts to medicaid.

Unfortunately, I don’t thing Romney/Ryan have much more of a clue on the economy than does Obama.

Romney so far has said “Energy independence” and “make trade work for us”. Energy independence is a good goal but he has given us few specifics.

More importantly, “make trade work for us”, is THE key to fixing this economy. Unfortunately, Romney said nothing about what this means. And if you look at Romney’s website he talks about less government regulation and MORE trade. He doesn’t talk at all about fair trade or protecting American jobs or market.

Our founding fathers had nice import tariffs to help American industry. Those tariffs were thought wise until 30 years ago. Now we have almost none and our jobs have fled overseas to cheaper labor.

Neither candidate gets it.


26 posted on 09/06/2012 1:33:30 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: NYer

The woman is quoting from a letter here...

http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/federal-budget/upload/reconciliation-letter-to-house-2012-05-08.pdf

The problem is that the Bishop MISQUOTES the Catechism of the Catholic Church. He uses the word “Government” where the Catechism uses “public authorities” and confuses access with providing. Look here... (1905 through 1912)

http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s1c2a2.htm

If the authors of the CCC wanted the word “Governments” in there, they would have included it. If they wanted “be provided” they would not have said “access to”.

Libs in all positions twist things their way.


27 posted on 09/06/2012 1:35:43 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: oncebitten

Cain’s question to God, “What am I, my brother’s keeper?” was sarcasm. Cain was saying in modern English “How would I know?”
I am not Catholic, so I am ignorant of Catholic tradition, but Cain’s question is in no way a command that we become our brother’s keeper. In the following verses God curses Cain but doesn’t tell him is to become his brother’s keeper.
What the Biblical Jesus had to say about caring for others bears almost no resemblence to the Jesus I hear about from political activists.


28 posted on 09/06/2012 1:39:29 PM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: DannyTN

>>The Democrats hit the Republicans hard on Ryan’s budget cuts to the poor and rightfully so.<<

Really?

So no matter how many entitlements the government gives and no matter how much “the poor” make, we can never cut them?

Did you know that EVERY woman over the age of 35, regardless of income can get WIC (one of the programs reduced in the Ryan budget)? When my husband made 60,000 a year, I could get WIC with my younger daughter because I was 39.

So let’s get realistic about “cuts to the poor”. Maybe they are perfectly reasonable.

My niece, who works at McDonalds has a better lifestyle than I do. She has a car that gets repairs by the government every time she needs it, she has cable (I don’t) she has an Obamaphone, her daughter gets title 20 daycare after school, free breakfasts, free lunches AND my niece has all her school paid for while I’m fighting to find college money for 5 years from now. She also gets 400.00 a month in “cash assistance” and has a SNAP card.

So who’s poor?


29 posted on 09/06/2012 1:45:01 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: netmilsmom
Thank you, although I am sorry that it took 27 posts for the matter to be clarified.

I also believe that Ryan's own Bishop had no problem with the budget.

30 posted on 09/06/2012 1:51:04 PM PDT by verga (Forced to remove tag line by administrator)
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To: netmilsmom

Excommunicate the cafeteria “catholic” for bringing great scandal upon the Church. She’s a pro-abortion, pro-homo marriage fruitcake fallen-away “nun”, currently under investigation by the Vatican. She’s a joke. You can’t be pro-abortion and pro-homo marriage and be Catholic, it’s impossible. She holds contempt for the Magisterium and for the vows she took 40 years ago. EXCOMMUNICATE NOW!


31 posted on 09/06/2012 1:51:38 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NYer
A couple of sanp observations:

...Wednesday night at the Democratic confab...

Interesting they would call it a "confab". Isn't that short for "confabulation", or making up stories/lying?

Also:

She's got a really bad habit. But what do I konw-- I'm Baptist, and we don't do habits-- at least, not publicly...

32 posted on 09/06/2012 1:58:24 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (Wait a minute! Romney doesn't suck? I'm trying to keep up.)
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To: NYer

The Lying Nun.


33 posted on 09/06/2012 1:59:24 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: DannyTN

If we had had tariffs, we could have avoided the Great Depression, and all the many ones that preceded it.


34 posted on 09/06/2012 2:00:19 PM PDT by kenavi (Obama doesn't hate private equity. He wants to be it with our money.)
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To: netmilsmom
I think Stephen Blaire, the bishop of Stockton, has been discussed on earlier threads for statements he has made. The nun makes it sound like the bishops generally got together and denounced Ryan specifically, but Blaire's letter (if it represents more than his personal interpretation) focuses mostly on not taking tax credits from (illegal) immigrants and not reducing the number of people on food stamps (after the recent explosion in numbers of people receiving food stamps).

I wonder if these "tax credits" mean reducing taxes...the people in question may pay no taxes already...this could be a question of getting a government check even when you don't pay any federal taxes.

35 posted on 09/06/2012 2:00:49 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: demsux
I didn’t leave the Catholic Church, it left me.

Your statement is a lame excuse, not a reason. This nun is not representative of the Catholic Church, and you know it. When progressivism reared its ugly head in my diocese, I searched for and found a Catholic community where authentic Catholic values are taught and practiced. You, on the other hand, decided to walk away.

36 posted on 09/06/2012 2:14:33 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer

My head is shaking and eyes are rolling just reading her words. How she could possibly align herself with the party of murder is beyond me. She claims to want to “alleviate suffering” yet she walks out with red lipstick and a string of pearls on. Quite hypocritical and sadly pathetic.


37 posted on 09/06/2012 2:14:48 PM PDT by Gerish (Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.)
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To: NYer

The nun from pro-abortion crazytown.


38 posted on 09/06/2012 2:15:51 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: x
Didn't know nuns had "pay grades."

They don't ...

Why won’t Sr. Simone Campbell answer a simple, direct question about abortion?

39 posted on 09/06/2012 2:19:22 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer
Not Catholic here.
But wasn’t excommunication by “Bell, Book & Candle” created for this type of miscreant?
40 posted on 09/06/2012 2:19:26 PM PDT by Reily
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To: NYer

She might be a Catholic but she’s a socialist as well; making synonyms out of the terms “society” and “government” and placing HER benevolent priorities on the backs of taxpayers and under the control of government - NOT society.

Socialist Christian tell themselves and everyone else that THEY want to “give” more to certain “charitable” causes, but they lie to themselves; they do not really believe that they want to give more; they want to take more; because even in a democracy socialism is no more than 51 out of 100 deciding how much they claim the right to take from the other 49. Such demands have nothing to do with Christian giving.


41 posted on 09/06/2012 2:20:49 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: NYer
Not Catholic here.
But wasn’t excommunication by “Bell, Book & Candle” created for this type of miscreant?
42 posted on 09/06/2012 2:21:23 PM PDT by Reily
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To: NYer

Anytime the thought of leaving the Catholic Church crossed my mind I decided that the better course was to stay and keep fighting to try and change it for the better.

If the majority ever turned up agreeing with this nun though I’d have to reconsider.


43 posted on 09/06/2012 2:22:30 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: oncebitten
Cain's question to God, "am I my brother's keeper?"--

--was a sarcastic response, and

--was not answered in the affirmative my the Almighty.

Abel didn't need his brother to be his keeper.

He didn't need Cain to be his murderer, either, and that's the whole point.

By the way, anyone who sets up to be my keeper is going to be in for a certain degree of resistance right off the bat, which will only escalate.

44 posted on 09/06/2012 2:24:15 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (Wait a minute! Romney doesn't suck? I'm trying to keep up.)
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To: kenavi
"If we had had tariffs, we could have avoided the Great Depression, and all the many ones that preceded it."

WRONG!

We did have tariffs during those times. Those depressions were caused by the business cycle and being on the gold standard, which caused periodic bouts of deflation which resulted in deflationary depressions.

Going into the Great Depression, imports were only 4% of GNP and exports were 5%. The net change in Imports/Exports during the Great Depression was only 0.2% of GNP.

During the Great Depression we raised Import tariffs up much higher than normal (Smoot Harley) and Smoot Harley was blamed by some for causing the Great Depression. Only two things are wrong with that. We were already in the Depression when Smoot Harley was enacted, and international trade simply wasn't a big enough component of GNP to be the cause.

Now imports are 16% of our economy. And when you consider how large the wage differential is between third world countries such as China and the U.S., you can see that 16% equates to a much larger pre-outsourced piece of the U.S. economy.

Example, if you take products that are 80% labor at $8/hr jobs and outsource them to countries that work for $2/day ($0.25/hr). A $10 product ($2 material + $8 labor) now costs ($2 + $0.25) = $2.25. Then $2.25 of imports was worth $10 in the pre-outsourced American economy.

That outsourcing is good for consumers, but they quickly lose their jobs and cease to be consumers as the economy canibalizes itself.

You will not avoid the business cycle complete no matter what you do, because it's rooted in consumer psychology. However, monetary policy is effective and minimizing it, and thus we've only had recessions not depressions since the Great Depression.

But the current economic crisis is different specifically because of the amount of goods that we have outsourced. Your can see that in the (Imports = 4% of GNP in 1930, vs 16% of GNP now). We've seriously damaged the job base in the U.S. and neither candidate seems to recognize it.

45 posted on 09/06/2012 2:25:36 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: demsux

I didn’t leave the Catholic Church, it left me
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Likewise.
I even gave it a 2nd chance and couldn’t believe how much worse it had gotten - at least in my opinion, which in the case of religious choices, mine/yours is the ONLY one that counts for the individual.


47 posted on 09/06/2012 2:32:17 PM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: netmilsmom
"So no matter how many entitlements the government gives and no matter how much “the poor” make, we can never cut them?"

I didn't say never. I said "arbitrary" cuts to medicaid at this time was wrong and the 'rats were right to hit Ryan over it.

"Did you know that EVERY woman over the age of 35, regardless of income can get WIC (one of the programs reduced in the Ryan budget)? When my husband made 60,000 a year, I could get WIC with my younger daughter because I was 39."

That's not what the USDA site says, it says "To be eligible for WIC, applicants must have income at or below an income level or standard set by the State agency or be determined automatically income-eligible based on participation in certain programs."

But even if that were true, then a specific cut that installed income eligibility would be appropriate and defendable, not an arbitrary cut.

"So let’s get realistic about “cuts to the poor”. Maybe they are perfectly reasonable. My niece..."

I don't know the specifics of your niece or your situation. I'd be in favor of combining all assistance programs and itemizing the assistance that each person gets, so that total assistance can be reviewed for abuse.

I don't really have a problem with poor people having a phone on the government's dime as long as long distance can't be abused. Cell phones are now cheaper than land lines. And how do you get a job without a phone? What are we talking about $10/month? And I haven't heard of a program that fixes cars free.

49 posted on 09/06/2012 2:37:09 PM PDT by DannyTN
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She may be a nun but I’m having none of it.

I suspect her "Sisters of Social Service" is just a gathering place for feminist lesbian Marxists.

50 posted on 09/06/2012 2:38:54 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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