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Mormon church clarifies stance on caffeine
MyFox Pheonix ^ | Sep 06, 2012 | Peggy Fletcher Stack

Posted on 09/08/2012 11:53:44 AM PDT by delacoert

Edited on 09/08/2012 12:47:45 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) - Mormons are free to down a Coke or Pepsi.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has clarified its position on caffeinated soft drinks, noting the news media often incorrectly states that its members don't drink caffeine.


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Sorta sounds like they received a revelation that the church should cease the practice of polygamy forbidding caffeine.
1 posted on 09/08/2012 11:53:47 AM PDT by delacoert
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To: delacoert

Coffee?????


2 posted on 09/08/2012 11:58:11 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: delacoert

Wow. I had been told by friends who were LDS they weren’t supposed to drink caffeine. They were lying?


3 posted on 09/08/2012 12:04:49 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: delacoert

Well...when you have have candidate for President..you have to change the rules.


4 posted on 09/08/2012 12:12:00 PM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: delacoert

Well, the mormon gods do have a proclivity to change their minds quite frequently, so not surprising.


5 posted on 09/08/2012 12:16:35 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: nickcarraway

Likewise - a good friend of mine who is LDS very carefully avoids any drink with caffeine.

Maybe this clarification is a form of mormon taqqiya. :-)


6 posted on 09/08/2012 12:17:23 PM PDT by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: delacoert; All

I was talking to a Pastor just yesterday and we were discussing how in the Old Testament, a lot of Patriarchs had numerous wives and concubines and God had no problem with it. That being said; one is all I can handle. (Giggle, giggle)


7 posted on 09/08/2012 12:18:47 PM PDT by oliviasdad (Sarah Palin for Eunergy Secretary / Newt for Sec. of State / Rand Paul for Head of Fed. Res.)
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To: delacoert

I drink coffee, moderately. I think it’s good for you in moderation. But I do NOT drink Coke, which is a source of high fructose corn syrup, which is extremely bad for you.

Coke didn’t always contain that stuff, but it does now. Thanks mostly to gubbermint interference.


8 posted on 09/08/2012 12:19:11 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: svcw
With the word in that drinking 5 cups of regular coffee per day will tend to keep Alzheimers away they were forced, once again, to admit their previous revelations must have meant the opposite of what they interpreted them to mean.

It's tough keeping up with revelations.

But otherwise you think these people are OK? That their leadership elite has people in it capable of running the country?

9 posted on 09/08/2012 12:25:01 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: jtal

Why would someone be discriminated against for drinking caffeine? Avoiding it isn’t completely insensible.


10 posted on 09/08/2012 12:25:50 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: delacoert

The “word of wisdom” references “hot drinks”. That phrase is never further clarified. Interpretation is left to the reader.


11 posted on 09/08/2012 12:26:09 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: oliviasdad

God has defined marriage as one man and one woman.
Because He did not strike these OT people down with a ball of fire, is not the same as saying God did not have a problem with it.
In addition, historical reference is important. Many times when an enemy was defeated it was not uncommon for the victor to take the defeated enemy’s wives as his own, it was symbolic not necessarily carnal.
If God struck down everyone who sins, there would be no one left, it doesn’t mean He is ok with the sin.


12 posted on 09/08/2012 12:27:25 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: delacoert
On Wednesday, The Salt Lake Tribune reports the church posted a statement on its website saying it "does not prohibit the use of caffeine."

They've certainly changed their tune over the years.

13 posted on 09/08/2012 12:28:51 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Cicero

HFC is a darn sight better for you than wheat flour processed to make it sweeter ~ it’s frequently added to chocolate products, and to cake icing!


14 posted on 09/08/2012 12:30:29 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: svcw

Nice try. You best go read the O.T. again. He even told Hosea to go marry a whore. Not justifying polygamy or whoredoms; just sayin’ .


15 posted on 09/08/2012 12:30:29 PM PDT by oliviasdad (Sarah Palin for Eunergy Secretary / Newt for Sec. of State / Rand Paul for Head of Fed. Res.)
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To: DuncanWaring
They've certainly changed their tune over the years.

Some time back, a Mormon friend couldn't go to his own daughter's wedding in a Mormon temple ... because he was known to drink coffee.

16 posted on 09/08/2012 12:33:22 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: delacoert

I used to work with a couple of mormons who eschewed all caffiene, even in chocolate. They were both brilliant, but they had the tendency to fall asleep during meetings, even 1:1s. Once one of them fell asleep while talking. Then he awoke several seconds later and picked up right where he left off.


17 posted on 09/08/2012 12:34:56 PM PDT by VoiceOfBruck (Mandrake gestures hypnotically)
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To: OldNavyVet

After my father died, my mother married a Mormon.

He was a coffee drinker (as was she) but at their wedding reception they didn’t serve coffee because the local bishop might be in attendance.


18 posted on 09/08/2012 12:38:51 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: OldNavyVet

Maybe your friend wasnt “Temple Worthy” (no Temple recommend?) either didn’t tithe at the appropriate rate; didn’t attempt Ward services; was married himself to a nonMormon, etc) rather than the “known coffee drinker” as the reason. My husband’s family is LDS and I know the types of issues I Iisted have been discussed by those who aren’t able to attend Temple weddings (including the bride or grooms parents).


19 posted on 09/08/2012 12:41:57 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (Just because you are paranoid it doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.)
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To: delacoert
This is neither new, nor news.

The church's health guide has never specifically called out caffeine. Coffee, yes; caffeine, no.

Coffee contains caffeine, and some have independently extrapolated their interpretation to apply it to caffeine soft drinks (e.g., my parents many years ago), but it was never official church doctrine.

For members in good standing, this is one of those "it is your call" types of things.

Good thing, too... gotta have my diet Pepsis now and then!

20 posted on 09/08/2012 12:42:25 PM PDT by JustTheTruth
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To: oliviasdad

Sweetie, you read the story in full context.
You want to have polygamy acceptable apparently for your personal reasons be my guest, it is not Biblical.
God defined marriage in the OT and NT, if you have a problem with that take it up with God.


21 posted on 09/08/2012 12:46:07 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: delacoert
This kind of concern concerns me. I have two sisters-in-law that live seven hundred miles apart and have seen each other, perhaps, three times in this dimension. Both of them eschew caffeine. They are both Catholic, devout, I would say.

Either way, caffeine seems pretty benign as vices go.

Nevertheless, Mormons allowing it or proscribing it, either way, it's OK with me.

If it violated some tenet of Catholicism, you could sure count on a pro-caffeine caucus at any Democrat convention.

22 posted on 09/08/2012 12:49:19 PM PDT by stevem
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To: PennsylvaniaMom
Partly right about temple attendance; not entirely.

Not paying a (privately self-declared) 10% tithing, not regularly attending church meetings, not living the church's "Word of Wisdom" health code(i.e., by smoking tobacco, drinking alcohol and/or coffee, abusing drugs) - these will disqualify one from Temple attendance (not from regular church meeting attendance in Chapels, of course).

However, simplying marrying or being married to a person of another faith has no disqualifying effect on the person's being to attend Temples herself/himself.

And yes, it is correct that only those meeting the standards of Temple attendance are able to attend any Temple sessions. Temples are not regular houses for Sunday worship; in fact they are closed on Sundays which is when regular worship services are held in congregational chapels.

23 posted on 09/08/2012 12:49:21 PM PDT by JustTheTruth
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To: JustTheTruth

Wasn’t there a picture of Romney buying caffeine free cherry coke and regular diet coke while on vacation or something like that? But what do I care about his choice of caffeine or no caffeine— Barry admits to snorting his coke.


24 posted on 09/08/2012 12:50:32 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: OldNavyVet

The coffee didn’t have anything to do with it, it was because he was not temple worthy.
Only about 15% of mormons receive the classification “temple worthy”.


25 posted on 09/08/2012 12:56:57 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: delacoert
I'm voting for Paul Ryan so all this Mormon crap is superfluous—unless you are for Obama.
26 posted on 09/08/2012 1:00:15 PM PDT by Happy Rain ("Who needs Michelle? The MSM keep Obama satisfied.")
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To: Happy Rain

Good grief. This is the religion forum, IE discussion of religion.
Discussing religion does not translate to voting for obama, my lord repeating that “unless you are for obama” is really boring.


27 posted on 09/08/2012 1:08:58 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: nickcarraway

Catholics used to have to eat fish on Friday. Now they don’t. Just sayin.....


28 posted on 09/08/2012 1:11:54 PM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: flaglady47

Well no, Catholics couldnt eat meat on Fridays; but your point is well taken.


29 posted on 09/08/2012 1:22:54 PM PDT by hockea (1z2z)
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To: muawiyah

My vote is going to be for Romney, not his church. No church is mentioned on the ballot.


30 posted on 09/08/2012 1:25:38 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Cicero
which is a source of high fructose corn syrup, which is extremely bad for you.

From the body's perspective, HFCS is just another source of glucose.

31 posted on 09/08/2012 1:29:48 PM PDT by death2tyrants
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To: Dallas59
Who put Paul Ryan on the Moxie can?


32 posted on 09/08/2012 1:29:51 PM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: svcw
Relax, all threads are fair game unless you include in the headline a “THIS IS THE RELIGION FORUM SO NO SECULAR COMENTS ARE PERMITTED” disclaimer.

...ever heard of the Ist Amendment or are you endorsing censorship?

33 posted on 09/08/2012 1:30:02 PM PDT by Happy Rain ("Who needs Michelle? The MSM keep Obama satisfied.")
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To: delacoert

A few yrs ago Mitt was on the Howie Carr show (Boston conservative talk host—he was an early promoter of his gov candidacy etc.) and Mitt had to admit that once in awhile (he actually said this) when he’s in a rambunctious mood, he will dare to treat himself to a Vanilla Coke.


34 posted on 09/08/2012 1:31:13 PM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: delacoert

Weird. I lived in Provo and SLC, and it was always made clear to me that it wasn’t caffeine, it was tannins. Of course I was never convinced that soda pop had tannins, but coffee and tea, I suppose so.


35 posted on 09/08/2012 1:33:55 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: flaglady47

You’re correct....growing up as a Catholic kid, we weren’t supposed to eat meat on Fridays. That was changed years ago.

We’re still supposed to avoid meat on Fridays during Lent, however.


36 posted on 09/08/2012 1:56:01 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (If people don't have to show an ID to vote, why do they have to show one to purchase a firearm?.)
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To: raccoonradio

LOL! Good one!


37 posted on 09/08/2012 1:56:50 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (If people don't have to show an ID to vote, why do they have to show one to purchase a firearm?.)
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To: flaglady47

Catholics used to have to eat fish on Friday.”

When I was in high school (many years ago) we always had fish for lunch on Friday in the school cafeteria, no meat of any kind - and it was a public high school. Never thought it was strange and don’t know that we even thought about it being a Catholic thing. Can’t imagine that happening in this day and age though.


38 posted on 09/08/2012 1:57:35 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Cicero
Wal Mart generally carries "real Coke" [made in Mehico] that is sweetened with cane sugar.

It comes in the tall glass bottles and is either in the "international foods" aisle, or with the other soda.

39 posted on 09/08/2012 2:02:35 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (Official Romney/GOP-E Platform - We suck less)
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To: oliviasdad

I wouldn’t say He had no problem with it, you can read the OT stories and when husbands had multiple wives it caused numerous problems, ie jealousy between siblings and wives, even murder.


40 posted on 09/08/2012 2:21:22 PM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: oliviasdad
"18 The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”

19 Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals.

But for Adam[f] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs[g] and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib[h] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

23 The man said,

“This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called ‘woman,’ for she was taken out of man.”

24 That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh."

(From Genesis 2)

Note the Scripture says "a helper"; "a woman"; "his wife." All singular, nothing plural. God's perfect plan was for one man and one woman to come together, and, as usual, we managed to screw up.

41 posted on 09/08/2012 2:21:40 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Don't be afraid to see what you see. (Ronald Reagan))
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To: oliviasdad
a lot of Patriarchs had numerous wives and concubines and God had no problem with it.

Remember what Jesus said about that.

Plus, in OT times they were still busy populating an under-populated earth. So God was a little more patient with them.

42 posted on 09/08/2012 2:21:51 PM PDT by what's up
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To: oliviasdad
a lot of Patriarchs had numerous wives and concubines and God had no problem with it.

Remember what Jesus said about that.

Plus, in OT times they were still busy populating an under-populated earth. So God was a little more patient with them.

43 posted on 09/08/2012 2:21:51 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Happy Rain

Really? How about this, you appear to be devoid of reason and thought.


44 posted on 09/08/2012 2:27:33 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: flaglady47

I thought the “no Friday fish” was tradition not Biblical commands.


45 posted on 09/08/2012 2:31:09 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: DuncanWaring
When I went to Salt Lake to visit my Aunt, my Uncle broke out the coffee rather than sneak out to get his fix. I wonder what she thought of my Grandfather getting his coffee fix every morning, she was very LDS.
46 posted on 09/08/2012 2:35:53 PM PDT by Little Bill
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To: nickcarraway
Wow. I had been told by friends who were LDS they weren’t supposed to drink caffeine. They were lying?

No, those LDS members were not lying to you. The Church has just officially changed it's position on caffeine. For decades, the prophets and general authorities of the church publicly forbade it's members from drinking caffeine as being against the Word of Wisdom. Allowing it now, is a new evolution in the Church's official position.

Previously, the leadership of the church publicly and privately admonished the members to not drink caffeine. (Yes, members used to be denied temple recommends for drinking caffeine). However, in the last decade or two, the church has backed off of it's original public stance against caffeine and had begun sending mixed signals by refusing to announce any change in the Church's teaching on the topic, while in private correspondences telling members that it was ok to drink.

Almost all of the membership were taught that drinking caffeine was a sin up until about the mid 90's when the church started reversing course on the subject.

The reason for this reversal in the Church's teaching on this stance probably has much to do with the rapid influx of converts during the last few decades, particularly from 1980-2010. In 1980, church membership was about 4.6 million, in 1990 it was about 7.8 million members--that represents a growth rate of 70% from1980--, in 2000 membership was about 11 million, and in 2010 it was about 14 million. This growth thus represents a 300% growth rate in new members over a thirty year period. Many of these members were converts. With such a rapid influx of non-mormons into the Church's membership, such a change in Mormon culture and teachings was almost inevitable.

In addition, much of the growth during this period was from converts. Since much of the LDS church's membership is now made up of new converts, and many of those converts since about the year 2000 probably didn't even know that caffeine was taught to be against the word of wisdom, it is no surprise that the Church would change it's position on caffeine. As these members become more integrated into the church, and take up leadership positions, the old guard against caffeine is gradually replaced by the new guard who no longer condemn the use of caffeine.

47 posted on 09/08/2012 2:40:38 PM PDT by old republic
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To: stevem

Actually they would have Juan Valdez as a Sandra Fluke type provocateur.


48 posted on 09/08/2012 2:42:07 PM PDT by relictele
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To: old republic

I wonder how my Grandfather maintained his membership in the Seventy while drinking coffee, with canned milk no less, same on his oat meal, horrid stuff.


49 posted on 09/08/2012 2:47:50 PM PDT by Little Bill
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To: delacoert

Like when they got the revelation blacks could be mormons once they could play b-ball for BYU.


50 posted on 09/08/2012 2:50:18 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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