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Libya: there is good reason to ban the hateful anti-Muhammad YouTube clips
The Guardian ^ | September 12, 2012 | Andrew Brown

Posted on 09/12/2012 12:42:02 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The material I have viewed, said to be linked to the US embassy attack, is purely and simply an incitement to religious hatred.

I have just watched a YouTube video of clips from a film which, it is claimed, provoked the attack on the American embassy in Libya. It is impossible to completely authenticate them at this stage, or exclude the possibility the clips could have been doctored in some way by the uploaders. However, we do know that the film has been linked to riots in Egypt and the attack in Benghazi in which four embassy staff, including the ambassador, were killed. It's a really nasty piece of lying propaganda: something which deserves to be called hate speech, since hatred is its wellspring and the propagation of hatred is its goal.

It is – obviously – blasphemous to Muslims. Less obviously, it offends against the central values of liberal democracy. The justification of free speech put forward by John Stuart Mill is that the remedy for bad speech is better speech. But this presupposes an interest in truth, and perhaps some agreed means of deciding on it. It's a system that breaks down when confronted with determined and malevolent liars.

The film portrays Muhammad as a pathetic fraud, a child molester. He is an unwanted bastard at birth, and only gains his self-confidence after an older woman summons the cringing young man to her tent and pushes his head under her skirts where he nuzzles her crotch. When he emerges, he has seen visions...

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Current Events; History; Islam; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: egypt; freespeech; islam; libya; mohammed; muhammad; muslims; sharia; syria
Which part of that is untrue, Andy?
1 posted on 09/12/2012 12:42:08 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Guardian is left of Lenin, loves Hamas, hates “the zionists,” etc.


2 posted on 09/12/2012 12:43:28 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

I am well aware of their slant. They have avowed communists, such as Gary Younge, on their staff.


3 posted on 09/12/2012 12:44:47 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Dhimmi douchebag, following the leader.


4 posted on 09/12/2012 12:44:54 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They say kill all the Christians and Jews...and we’re supposed to respect their contrived “religion” and say nothing. They’re nuts..


5 posted on 09/12/2012 12:45:37 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I have just watched a YouTube video

Does he want medal?

6 posted on 09/12/2012 12:46:58 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

FUG.


7 posted on 09/12/2012 12:46:58 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
there is good reason to ban the hateful anti-Muhammad YouTube clips

This is true. Here are some reasons:

Very poor acting.

Sloppy editing.

Ridiculous 'voice-overs'.

Very poor acting.

Very bad acting.

Lack of continuity.

8 posted on 09/12/2012 12:47:13 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Obama Obama There Are A Billion Osamas”

What does that line from the protests have to do with this video?

The Hate Department is making Terry Jones a scapegoat because he apparently said “macaca”.

Meanwhile the ACLU is okay with taxpayer dollars funding a piece of “art” called P!ss Chr!st.

F-the-media.


10 posted on 09/12/2012 12:48:00 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There was a release of an Alqueda video on Monday night calling for Libyians to attack America in response to killing #2 AQ leader per Sen. Nelson just on Fox. Per coincidence...


11 posted on 09/12/2012 12:48:16 PM PDT by shotgun
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To: Travis McGee

Thank you Travis
The Guardian is a lefty rag
Anywhere you see the word hate speech —you know it’s coming from a leftie.
Now, something can be in bad taste —but there are a lot of things in bad taste.
But do you go rioting and killing in the name of your god?
Well Muslims seem to think so.
Another word is outraged —lefties are always outraged. WHY? — because their life blood depends on it.


12 posted on 09/12/2012 12:48:33 PM PDT by brooklyn dave
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just ban them in muzzy occupied areas. That filth thrives on ignorance anyways.


13 posted on 09/12/2012 12:49:34 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m thinking of producing my own movie...

SPONGEBOB SQUAREPANTS goes to MECCA.


14 posted on 09/12/2012 12:49:56 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Revolting cat!
Spike Jones and Walt Disney are just gonna make the Germans mad.


15 posted on 09/12/2012 12:50:11 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hunt the press f*ckers down.


16 posted on 09/12/2012 12:50:58 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In other words, there is good reason to ban free speech, because tyrants hate it.


17 posted on 09/12/2012 12:51:09 PM PDT by Maceman
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To: Maceman

Absofreakinglutely.

“If you want to know who your master is, find out who you are not allowed to insult.”


18 posted on 09/12/2012 12:53:49 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

will youtube capitulate?


19 posted on 09/12/2012 12:54:05 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You are an effing loser Andy Panzy.

Your people weakass Pooosies. Bottom line.

When some D&*(head painted the Virgin Mary and plopped elephant poo all over it no one went crazy in the Christian world.

We just called it as we say it. Guy is an idiot.

I’d like my military to really, really, really hurt their feeling by F^*)king up their world with kerosene and napalm indiscriminately and with the “Mostest” Extreme Prejudice possible.

and then release 10 million feral hogs so they can feast on their hurt dead feelings and run the whole country down to the point it’s not worth fixing whatever ecological problem ensues.


20 posted on 09/12/2012 12:54:05 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Pretty much every article in the Guardian is an incitement to religious hatred against believing Christians—especially Catholics. Perhaps we should ban it too?


21 posted on 09/12/2012 12:56:15 PM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Wow! You had the same reaction to that clip as I did! It offended me too.....as a movie goer.


22 posted on 09/12/2012 12:56:40 PM PDT by texaschick
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Most People today weren't around during WW-II, when then-active media did their bit against enemy leaders such as Hitler, Mussolini and Hirohito.

One should never forget.

Our current enemies are religious fanatics.

23 posted on 09/12/2012 12:57:03 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: Travis McGee

All the comments seemed to disagree with Andy.

So much so the “Guardian” closed the comments page....


24 posted on 09/12/2012 12:57:27 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (I'm a grown-ass man, I thought I'd seen it all.)
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To: blueunicorn6

Hmm.. maybe you aren’t aware.. cursing is a no-no here... especially the f-bomb..


25 posted on 09/12/2012 12:57:51 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Hope for Conservative push in the next 2-4 years..........)
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To: longtermmemmory
Good question. It may not matter. Like the Danish cartoons, it will continue to swirl around the dar al islam.

The total lack of a sense of humor is one of islam's greatest weaknesses. They have a glass jaw and should be hit, not molleycoddled. They can't handle any "insult" to Mad Mo. All the more reason to insult him.


26 posted on 09/12/2012 1:00:26 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Hopefully, Andrew Brown will be Daniel Pearl's replacement.

He can show us how to properly supplicate to adherents of the Religion of Piece.

27 posted on 09/12/2012 1:03:24 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Travis McGee

The glass jaw is nowhere so evident as with Mecca. Blow the place to hell, render the kaaba radioactive dust, and watch the roaches scurry under any rocks available. Islam will cease to exist.


28 posted on 09/12/2012 1:04:58 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: Hardraade
"We're going to find out, sooner or later, if Abdul will pray, to a glowing crater."
29 posted on 09/12/2012 1:06:06 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

All that I have to say to those who may have been offended by this “movie”: Google Hamas Mickey Mouse and tell me what you think about THAT! Just because something is inciteFUL does not mean that those offended should resort to killing. IMO, this movie was just the latest excuse for Terrorists to kill and make their next moves. What does the West do? We censor the movie.


30 posted on 09/12/2012 1:11:30 PM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (We the People are coming!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It seems obvious to me that the author hasn’t read any part of the Qu’ran nor the Sunnah, nor the Hadith if he thinks the criticisms are imaginary. It is quite obvious to anyone who has made a relatively cursory inquiry into Islam that Muhammad was indeed a paedophile, a murderer and a thief. Its all there in black and white.

Its also pretty offensive that he thinks muslims ought to have special protection from being offended because they behave like violent children whenever they hear something they don’t like.


32 posted on 09/12/2012 1:22:56 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Today I watched two major asswipes on CNN, George Stephonapolus and Amonpour come to the conclusion that insulting Islam should not be given free speech any more than calling fire in a crowded theater.

I must say that after watching similar statements on MSNBC I am coming to the conclusion that these episodes are going to be used by our traitor left to attack Christianity. It’s coming folks.

I saw that video as well, and you know what? That is from Mohamed’s own story about himself. It should be a major motion picture like the Ten Commandments, so that everyone can see what a dickhead and lunatic he really was.


33 posted on 09/12/2012 1:23:15 PM PDT by Dogbert41 ("...The people of Jerusalem are strong, because the Lord Almighty is their God" Zech. 12:5)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Guardian comments seem to line up against Mr. Brown’s censorship position.


34 posted on 09/12/2012 1:24:35 PM PDT by texteacher
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Like muslims have any interest in truth. And like they never engage in hate speech.


35 posted on 09/12/2012 1:27:35 PM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Like appeasement has done so much for the UK. They are now basically ruled by their godless immigrants.


36 posted on 09/12/2012 1:28:07 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: brooklyn dave
Anywhere you see the word hate speech —you know it’s coming from a leftie.

Or here on FR, if you dare question whether Mormonism is Christianity. So perhaps it really isn't just a lefty gig. But it certainly is a popular and useful way to shut down reasoned debate.

37 posted on 09/12/2012 1:36:12 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

All a lie. They weren’t chanting about this movie no one ever heard of, they were chanting about “1 billion Osamas” this is a reaction to Obama bragging 21 times last week about killing Osama


38 posted on 09/12/2012 1:38:12 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Dogbert41

All a lie. The mobs in the ME weren’t chanting about this movie no one ever heard of, they were chanting about “1 billion Osamas” this is a reaction to Obama bragging 21 times last week about killing Osama


39 posted on 09/12/2012 1:39:20 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: a fool in paradise

“Obama Obama There Are A Billion Osamas”

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Many of them reside here, are born daily in our hospitals and are immigrating here.

And Congress just sits there sucking its thumb.


40 posted on 09/12/2012 2:15:54 PM PDT by 353FMG (The US Constitution is only as good as those who enforce it.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
I have just watched a YouTube video

Does he want medal?

I want a Medal!
I just watched it too.
It was BEYOND Bad.
I'll never get those minutes back :)

41 posted on 09/12/2012 2:16:14 PM PDT by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

One good thing about this article is that by incorrectly invoking John Stuart Mill it disproves Mill. Well, actually it doesn’t, since I don’t agree. But it does argue against him in his name, which is fun.


42 posted on 09/12/2012 2:26:25 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: 353FMG; All

And .. it has been noted that during the dem’s convention, the statement, “... killed Osama bin Laden” was mentioned 21 times.

Geeeeeee .. ya think that was the reason for the “coordinated attacks” on Americans.

I firmly believe the attacks were coordinated - because there were staff inside the embassy who led the Ambassador to a “safe” house; and then they informed the people conducting the raid .. where to find him .. and they killed him.


43 posted on 09/12/2012 2:33:35 PM PDT by The Final Harvest ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth".)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I took a look at the video in question. It seems to have been rather easy on the demon-infested, child-molesting Mohammed.


44 posted on 09/12/2012 2:48:27 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Hardraade

“The glass jaw is nowhere so evident as with Mecca. Blow the place to hell, render the kaaba radioactive dust, and watch the roaches scurry under any rocks available. Islam will cease to exist.”

It’s worth a try. Just show me which button to press.


45 posted on 09/12/2012 3:19:33 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If they were to do an actual objective documentary on the life of Muhammah and what is actually written in the Koran, it would be as “hate” speech-whatever that means.

Perhaps if every time Christians heard the name of our Lord Jesus taken in vain, rose up and beheaded people, they be treated with more respect.


46 posted on 09/12/2012 3:40:41 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks 2ndDivisionVet.
It is impossible to completely authenticate [the YouTube clips] at this stage, or exclude the possibility the clips could have been doctored in some way by the uploaders. However...
...that won't stop the repulsive, anti-libertarian shill author of the op-ed to blame premeditated murder on someone OTHER than the murderers. It is my wish that he be dragged out and have his miserable lying head chopped off on TV.

And that's consistent with his own sentiments -- the only difference being, there's absolutely no doubt that he did indeed express his offensive view, which was clearly meant to incite violence.

The "Mohammed cartoon" that "incited Moslems to riot" a few years back turned out to have been the agitprop creation of some Muzzie mullah liar. The ones in the Danish newspaper were not the source of the example trumpeted by those demagogue bastards. And clearly, the jerkoff who did produce it was axiomatically guilty of blasphemy under the non-legal system called shariah.

But that's not the point anyway -- Moslems can't be trusted, in our society, or in their own. So that whole Cult of Death's Head must be obliterated.


47 posted on 09/12/2012 5:33:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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