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HuffPo News Flash: Mormons Don't Think Jesus was Black
NewsBusters.org ^ | Sept 10, 2012 | Matthew Philbin

Posted on 09/12/2012 9:20:59 PM PDT by Alex Murphy

Finding racism in ridiculous places: It isn’t just for MSNBC anymore. The Huffington Post has performed a neat trick, exercising its own religious bigotry by accusing someone else of racism. The result is a breathtakingly inane article. (The crusade to re-elect Obama has spurred his media acolytes to heroic exertions, hasn’t it?)

Writing in HuffPo on Sept. 9, Paul Harvey and Edward J. Blum broke incredible news: Mormon iconography commonly includes a statue of a white Jesus! And that white statue first appeared in Salt Lake City in 1966, “the middle of the Civil Rights movement.”

The image, called Christus, is “based upon an old Danish statue from 1821,” according to Harvey and Blum. “He became even more poignant of a symbol after 1978, the year Mormon leadership lifted its bans on people of color from the priesthood.” Poignancy must be in the eye of the beholder.

The kicker here is that Harvey and Blum claim to be exploring why Christus hasn’t caused a “cultural firestorm” the way “Jeremiah Wright’s sermons about a black Jesus killed by white Romans” did in 2008. Wright’s black Christ“nearly derailed his former parishioner Barack Obama's candidacy.”

This is laughable on two counts. First, if the Wright revelations ever posed a danger to Obama’s campaign, it had nothing to do with the media. Second, what bothered those who actually knew about Rev. Wright were statements like “God damn America,” and the one about 9-11 being “America’s chickens coming home to roost.” Wright’s radical Anti-Americanism was troubling, not his ideas about Christ’s race.

So why aren’t Americans scandalized by the LDS Jesus? Again, Messrs Harvey and Blum brought this stunning revelation: we’re used to it.“Simply put: the black Jesus of American history historically has been threatening, while white Jesus imagery, at least since about the 1830s, has been so normative and dominant that it is assumed to be accurate,” wrote the authors, and thank goodness they put it simply. A concept that complex is tough to get one’s arms around.

Let’s see. Yes, the Christ on the cross in Catholic churches is whitish. And, sure, Hollywood seems to turn to white actors when portraying the Nazarene. And Greek icons make Him look, well, Greek. He’s black in some Ethiopian Christian depictions.

Since there are no photographs or contemporary descriptions of Christ, each culture imposes its own physical ideas onto Him, and in representations He ends up looking like a member of that culture.

Salt Lake City is only about 2.5 percent African-American today. And it’s not exactly synonymous with the racial turmoil of the Civil Rights era. Chances are, a Jesus statue erected there in 1956 or 1976 would be just as white as Christus.

“Even in the age of multiculturalism and a plethora of challenges to the historic iconography of the American Jesus, the white Jesus remains the norm, unnoticed and uncontroversial,” Harvey and Blum wrote. And it raises a question: If it’s uncontroversial, why write about it, except to slime Mormons and help your guy keep his office?


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Finding racism in ridiculous places: It isn’t just for MSNBC anymore. The Huffington Post has performed a neat trick, exercising its own religious bigotry by accusing someone else of racism. The result is a breathtakingly inane article....Writing in HuffPo on Sept. 9, Paul Harvey and Edward J. Blum broke incredible news: Mormon iconography commonly includes a statue of a white Jesus! And that white statue first appeared in Salt Lake City in 1966, “the middle of the Civil Rights movement....The kicker here is that Harvey and Blum claim to be exploring why Christus hasn’t caused a “cultural firestorm” the way “Jeremiah Wright’s sermons about a black Jesus killed by white Romans” did in 2008.
1 posted on 09/12/2012 9:21:03 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

Guess what HuffPo, Jesus was probably only one race... Believe what you want about which particular race that was. That means a whole lot of other races are going to be left out. So I guess by HuffPo logic, anyone that holds any opinion on what race Jesus was is racist - including (probably, maybe) most everyone at HuffPo too.


2 posted on 09/12/2012 9:24:53 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Alex Murphy; Lazamataz; PJ-Comix; Morgana
They are just mixing and matching flash cards now.

Tomorrow the filthy rich, / Boy Scouts, /


3 posted on 09/12/2012 9:24:53 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL
I saw the other day they claimed Henry Ford doubled the pay to 5.00 a day and how great that was for the economy.

Some poster said why doesn't HP do it

4 posted on 09/12/2012 9:27:09 PM PDT by scooby321 (AMS)
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To: Alex Murphy

Ah, but do Mormons believe Mohammad was black?


5 posted on 09/12/2012 9:28:06 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
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To: Alex Murphy

Jesus will appear what ever skin color is looking upon Him


6 posted on 09/12/2012 9:29:58 PM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: Java4Jay

I thought he always looked more like Charles Bronson, than Ted Nugent.


7 posted on 09/12/2012 9:31:55 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Christ was Semetic, not black, and therefore caucusian. But here again, the media didn’t care in 2008 that Obama’s preacher and “mentor” was a white bashing, anti-semetism spewing demagogue. No, that didn’t matter a whit. But Mormons like other Christians seeing Christ as likely caucasian is the scandal of the century. The lunacy of the US news media in this election is beyond all bounds. They need to seriously self-examine when this is all over with about how they all collectively lost their minds, their professionalism and any sense of propriety.


8 posted on 09/12/2012 9:37:01 PM PDT by MissesBush (The Fourth Estate has Become a Fifth Column)
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To: scooby321

*facepalm*

well, if HP wants to pay $5 an hour it’d be greatly appreciated in CHINA.

Seriously they could double the pay if every worker were 3 times as productive and half were laid off.


9 posted on 09/12/2012 9:37:53 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Alex Murphy

Are Jews considered black??


10 posted on 09/12/2012 9:38:57 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for e an the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: Alex Murphy

Silly me, I always assumed He would look Middle-Eastern because of the region’s climate — neither Nordic caucasian nor sub-Saharan black. Had He been either of those two, or if He had any other distinguishing physical characteristics, I am pretty sure it would have been noted and commented about in Scripture.


11 posted on 09/12/2012 9:41:18 PM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: Alex Murphy

Edward J. Blum

12 posted on 09/12/2012 9:44:47 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: MissesBush
They need to seriously self-examine when this is all over with about how they all collectively lost their minds, their professionalism and any sense of propriety.

Please, do not for one moment think this is a simple juvenile snafu.

They have not lost thier minds, nor thier intellect, nor thier sense of propriety.

They are bound and determined, and believe they have the power and the right, to completely and utterly destroy this country as we know it.

They have been working on infiltration and technique since the end of WWII, and have honed it to a fine edged sword, with which to repeatedly stab this country in the back.

Do not for one moment think there is ineptness or water treading going on here.

They mean, and coreograph every snippet, every inch of tape, every sound wave for perfection and impact to deceive you and i, while this country slides further and further.

The actual puppets are in fact those elected officials on the left, including the bass turd currently at the head of the whole scam.

13 posted on 09/12/2012 9:46:53 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Alex Murphy

Paul Harvey

14 posted on 09/12/2012 9:48:19 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Alex Murphy

Um, I thought this question was resolved, circa 1970 or maybe just 70.

Jesus was a semite, a jew, like a modern day israeli jew (what do they call themselves? sabras? Is that a bad word, am I a racist?), like an Arab you stupid gits.

I swear, I will be glad to die, even if I go to hell, just to be away from these stupid people.

Jesus was not “black” like an african or “white” like a European, he was a middle eastern guy, since he lived his entire life in the middle east.

This is why my hair hurts....all the time...since 1968.

I want to smoke pot now, it’s the only cure for my hurting hair.


15 posted on 09/12/2012 9:48:44 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: GeronL

LOL, I like your flash card analogy, EXCELLENT.

I’m going to use it when needed, but I’ll give you full credit GeronL


16 posted on 09/12/2012 9:50:35 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: going hot

amen dude, amen.


17 posted on 09/12/2012 9:52:57 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: Alex Murphy

Mormons don’t think Jesus was back?

Well, is he?


18 posted on 09/12/2012 10:16:53 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: GeronL
They are just mixing and matching flash cards now.

Isn't that pretty much the way they make TV?

19 posted on 09/12/2012 10:18:50 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
Are Jews considered black?? (only if they are rich)

"You got me with that one."


20 posted on 09/12/2012 10:21:36 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: VeniVidiVici
Ah, but do Mormons believe Mohammad was black?

No, but they are pretty sure his horse is.

21 posted on 09/12/2012 10:23:01 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: Java4Jay
Jesus will appear what ever skin color is looking upon Him

Perfect.

22 posted on 09/12/2012 10:24:09 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: Alex Murphy

I’m in shock that the HuffPo believes that Jesus was real.


23 posted on 09/12/2012 10:27:31 PM PDT by Guardian Sebastian
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To: going hot
I could not have said it any better, and completely agree.

I still think they will use the Astronomical Passage (Dec. 21) to use to announce the conversion of the West to a Socialist Republic. There will be no border problems, because their will be no border.

Democrats worldwide will vote on the new Leader of the Western Hemisphere, probably Jan 1.

Democrats are already being 'cultivated' in the Arab Spring Project. The recent assault on the Embassy in Egypt and Libya was done by Muslims/Christians/Jews. The thing they have in common is they ...were...all... self-professed DEMOCRATS and looking forward to the new GOVERNMENT NANNY concept they have been promised. Modeled after what is going on in the United States right now.

Our only hope is that Canada nukes us.

24 posted on 09/12/2012 10:34:03 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: Guardian Sebastian
I’m in shock that the HuffPo believes that Jesus was real.

Well... in this one... anyway.


25 posted on 09/12/2012 10:43:39 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Oh shock of shocks....neither do a whole bunch of Christian religions either. Huffpo can go pound sand


26 posted on 09/12/2012 10:54:59 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Alex Murphy

“Mormons Don’t Think Jesus was Black.”

Well, there you go.

They’re obviously RACISTS! :-)

They probably don’t like peanut butter, either.


27 posted on 09/12/2012 11:08:34 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (I wanna start a Seniors' Motor Scooter Gang. Wanna join?)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

It’s ‘peanut butter and jam’.


28 posted on 09/12/2012 11:18:31 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: jocon307; UCANSEE2; Lazamataz; PJ-Comix; RebelTex; Morgana; cripplecreek

Maybe we could find someone who can write a tiny program, an applet or something. Just like a slot machine but it randomly throws together liberal enemies, buzzwords, scenarios et al.

It would just be funny.

Person (Bush, Palin, Newt) - action (starved, stomped, neglected) - innocent victim (children, gays, kittens)

or

Person (Bush, Rove, Palin) - action (tax breaks, spending cuts, etc) - beneficiary (big pharma, defense industry, Israel, the rich, )

or

well, you get the idea


29 posted on 09/13/2012 12:33:53 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Alex Murphy

jewish people are now black?

who knew


30 posted on 09/13/2012 1:42:14 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: ThunderSleeps; Alex Murphy
Jesus was in external looks Semitic. in color terms He wasn't black -- or white, but brown.

But in Africa He is depicted as black, in China as Oriental, in southern europe with black hair, in nordic lands as blonde. It doesn't matter.

31 posted on 09/13/2012 1:56:38 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Alex Murphy
So why aren’t Americans scandalized by the LDS Jesus? Again, Messrs Harvey and Blum brought this stunning revelation: we’re used to it

I disagree.

We simply do not KNOW about it.

Much knowledge WILL be imparted between now and November 6th!

32 posted on 09/13/2012 3:28:10 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Alex Murphy
...while white Jesus imagery, at least since about the 1830s...

Ya think??

1499 AD



33 posted on 09/13/2012 3:32:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ThunderSleeps
...Jesus was probably only one race...

Duh!


I can pretty well assume that He looked like any ordinary JEW of His time...


Isaiah 53 1:3

1 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?


2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.


He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.


3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.


Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.


34 posted on 09/13/2012 3:36:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: UCANSEE2; Java4Jay
Perfect.

But wrong...


Acts 1:11 (niv)

"Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky?
This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven."

35 posted on 09/13/2012 3:40:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Alex Murphy

Even quite a few HP posters think this a ridiculous article. A white Jesus? I’m 62, and in my life I’ve seen pictures of Jesus depicting him as either Anglo-Saxon, Greek, or somewhat Semetic-looking. Mostly Anglo-Saxon. I never gave any of them much thought. Only a race-obsessed moron would create a ruckus about it. Like people who post articles on HuffPo.


36 posted on 09/13/2012 3:41:47 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: UCANSEE2; Java4Jay
Zechariah 12:10 >> "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.
37 posted on 09/13/2012 3:42:05 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Guardian Sebastian
I’m in shock that the HuffPo believes that Jesus was real.

While I shake my head in disbelief that MORMONs actually believe that JESUS appeared to Joseph Smith.

38 posted on 09/13/2012 3:43:15 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: UCANSEE2
Democrats are already being 'cultivated' in the Arab Spring Project.

MORMONs are highly 'cultivated' in their outreach to Muslims:


“I Will Be a Second Mohammed”

In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1]

It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.

  • Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]

  • Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.

  • Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.

  • As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.

  • Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]

  • Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.

  • Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, look to Alī ibn Abī Ṭālib, whom they consider Divinely appointed, as the rightful successor to Muhammad, and the first imam. (Ali was the cousin and son-in-law of the Islamic prophet Muhammad). Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith's followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith's own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.

  • Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.

“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4] In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith's claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.


[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”

[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8–9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6–7.

[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.

[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409.




39 posted on 09/13/2012 3:45:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: UCANSEE2
Democrats are already being 'cultivated' in the Arab Spring Project.

MORMONs are highly 'cultivated' in their outreach to Muslims:


In particular, “Mormonism,” he writes, “excited my interest at an early age before all else because of the surprising analogy, extending even to the smallest details, between it and the fundamental drives, external forms, and historical development of Islam: here one might hope to discover significant clues for a proper understanding of Mohammed and his religion. … there is hardly another historical parallel as instructive as this one. … It is impossible to undertake the scholarly investigation of the one without a closer acquaintance with the other.”4
 
 
http://lds.org/ensign/1972/03/islam-and-mormonism-a-comparison?lang=eng

40 posted on 09/13/2012 3:46:06 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Alex Murphy

“Mormons Don’t Think Jesus was Black”

Neither do I.


41 posted on 09/13/2012 3:49:09 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: UCANSEE2
Democrats are already being 'cultivated' in the Arab Spring Project.

MORMONs are highly 'cultivated' in their outreach to Muslims.



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42 posted on 09/13/2012 3:50:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: going hot
They are bound and determined, and believe they have the power and the right, to completely and utterly destroy this country as we know it.

Ma'am; Joseph Smith did not destroy Christianity; he RESTORED it!



43 posted on 09/13/2012 3:53:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos

If Jesus ‘ appearance was remarkably different from the other Israelis around him, it’s likely one of the Gospel writers would have mentioned it.


44 posted on 09/13/2012 3:53:35 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (this space for rent)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise
“Mormons Don’t Think Jesus was Black.”

Do y'all know what MORMONism has said ABOUT Blacks???






"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.



Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'



August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)



1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."



We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.



Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).



When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."



When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)





Yeah; Native Americans are althroughout the Book of MORMON; too.

 

“I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.

At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents—on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.

One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.

 

(Improvement Era, December 1960, pp.922-23). (p. 209)

 



 

45 posted on 09/13/2012 3:56:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: GeronL
Maybe we could find someone who can write a tiny program, an applet or something. Just like a slot machine but it randomly throws together liberal enemies, buzzwords, scenarios et al.

Calling Baghdad Bob. Please pick up the white courtesy phone.

46 posted on 09/13/2012 3:58:19 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Alex Murphy
,,,,,, let's see ,, in my picture Jesus appears to have an olive complexion . Problem solved !!!!
47 posted on 09/13/2012 4:01:55 AM PDT by Lionheartusa1 (-: Socialism is the equal distribution of misery :-)
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To: GeronL
Maybe we could find someone who can write a tiny program, an applet or something.

I had one on my old computer that mocked old Bob; but it has gone to the Land of Failed Disc Drives...

48 posted on 09/13/2012 4:04:38 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
“Do y'all know what MORMONism has said ABOUT Blacks???”

Well, most of those quotes are from years ago, even during the years of the Civil War.

10s of thousands of people were saying those kinds of things during the time frames mentioned in your post. Others of your quotes do not have years listed.

I haven't heard or saw written by Mormons any recent denigration of blacks.

No, I'm not Mormon. I'm, for lack of a better word, a freelancer. :-)

I'm not defending Mormons but everyone deserves a fair shake. Using quotes from the Civil War era is not a fair shake, is it? Heaven forbid anyone should quote anything I said even 50 years ago. People change. :-)

Recently, the CEO of a Japanese auto manufacturer said that blacks work slowly and are lazy and stupid. Are we going to condemn all Japanese because of one CEO? Condemn the Japanese for WWII but not all of them for one CEO. :-)

49 posted on 09/13/2012 9:52:43 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (I wanna start a Seniors' Motor Scooter Gang. Wanna join?)
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To: Guardian Sebastian

“I’m in shock that the HuffPo believes that Jesus was real.”

You just stuck the knife into HuffPo, twisted it and kept on twisting it.

GOOD JOB!


50 posted on 09/13/2012 9:59:17 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (I wanna start a Seniors' Motor Scooter Gang. Wanna join?)
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