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Does God Want You Healed
09-13-12 | Frank Broom

Posted on 09/12/2012 11:40:49 PM PDT by Frank Broom

Does God want you healed that is a question that needs to be answered and settled in your thinking because your way of thinking can hinder you from receiving your healing (3John 2). And the best place to find this out is from the Bible, not from peoples opinions or what they been taught, but from the Bible. First, every child of God has a covenant of healing. Notice in Luke 13 there was a woman with a spirit of infirmity and Jesus said, "Ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?" Notice, Jesus said she ought to be loosed because she was a daughter of Abraham. What was he saying, she has a covenant of healing and God is faithful to his covenant. He promised to never break it or alter it (Psalm 89:34). So what does that have to do with you, in Galatians 3:29 it says, "If ye be Christ's then are you Abraham's seed." And God is no respecter of persons, so just as Jesus said that woman ought to be loosed because she was a seed of Abraham, that's how He sees you. An important note I want to call your attention to is notice Jesus said, "Whom Satan has bound", because there are some who believes that God puts sickness on you. But, notice in Acts 10:38 it says that Jesus healed all that were oppressed of the devil. God anointed Jesus to heal the sick, so how could He be putting sickness on you. Jesus said, "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation: and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand." So, if God's the one putting sickness on you and healing you then He's working against himself.

Second, Jesus paid for your healing with his own blood. The same blood that purchased your forgiveness of sins also purchased your healing (1Peter 2:24). So, just as God doesn't want anyone to perish, He also doesn't want anyone sick. He wants his will done in the earth just as it is done in heaven (Matthew 6:10). When someone pays for something for you then it's obvious that they want you to have it. For example you take someone out to a buffet to eat and you pay for them, you want them to have free access to all that is on the buffet. In fact you feel best when they take advantage of what you paid for. If you paid for them to eat and all they came back with is a peice of bread you wouldn't feel right. Because for one thing you would feel like your money was wasted because they didn't take advantage of what you paid for. Third, He tells you how to get healed. In James 5:14,15 God tells you how to get healed by the prayer of faith. If healing isn't his will how can you pray the prayer of faith. And He tells you in the next verse to pray one for another that you may be healed. That's one way God has for you to receive healing and there's other ways. Why would He have so many ways of receiving healing if it wasn't his will. And fourth, He's your father and what kind of father would not want to see his child healed (Romans 8:15). Especially one that has the power to do something about it. Well, that's just a few things the Bible has to say on the subject you decide what you are going to believe.


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1 posted on 09/12/2012 11:40:57 PM PDT by Frank Broom
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To: Frank Broom

Excellent post and good thought s to ponder.

It’s a bit more complex than would appear on the surface. While you have a conscious aware willpower, you also have an emotional subconscious will power that overrides in the long run.

I work with this in people every day. I childhood perceptual programming event is stored in the soul and established an underlying belief about self.

When a child experiences life events, they view them from the perspective of “How did I cause this to happen.” this is true even when they are victims. As a result it creates subconsciousness guilt. As a result it often causes them to feel the need to be punished in order to get rid of the guilt. If their environment does not provide the guilt, they eventually will self punish through their immune system. It actually causes a reversal in the emotional subconscious reward/punishment system to where they become positively stimulated by criticism and negatively stimulated by praise. They also feel unworthy of God’s Grace that is their for them unconditionally all the time.

Remember, it is based upon the perception of the child, not the reality of the event. I work with older people who have serious illnesses, often cancer.


2 posted on 09/12/2012 11:51:39 PM PDT by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired

When Jesus did his healing, he removed the self judgment from the person’s soul. That is why He often said, “You are forgiven” when He healed. He was removing the individuals block in their soul that was not allowing God’s Love to enter. Children’s souls are clean. That is why Jesus stated that you must be like a child in order to know thy Father. He then state, “Go and sin no more.” i.e. don’t create another wound.

I was working with an engineer in his 60’s who had cancer. When I scanned his field, I noticed that the memory in his soul that had manifested the cancer occurred when he was seven years old. I stimulated the memory and ask him about it. Ends up, that when he was seven years old, his mother left his father and moved in with her boyfriend. He moved along with his mother, in with her boyfriend. Shortly thereafter, his father, feeling abandoned, committed suicide. This seven year old blamed himself and carried that guilt his enter life. By removing the guilt in his soul, it set him free of the need to be punished and allowed him to heal the cancer. It is far better to help people to do their own work than to do it for them as when they do it themselves they are less likely to create another wound.

The high frequency consciousness of a prayer can transmute the low frequency density of an illness, as long as a person is willing to allow it. The hardest part is finding the block to the willingness.


3 posted on 09/13/2012 12:02:45 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: Frank Broom

I was recently in the hospital and I felt a little bit guilty because the nurses, who are doing their job, would regularly ask if I was feeling any pain. Meanwhile the elderly gentleman in the bed next to me was missing a leg.

Whenever I returned to the room and he was awake, I would hold his hand for a minute and he would be absolutely glowing. There is healing.


4 posted on 09/13/2012 12:08:02 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Frank Broom

When Jesus referred to the woman in Luke 13 as a “daughter of Abraham” it was not a reference to a “covenant of healing”. He was contrasting her to his previous reference to the donkey or ox that they would assist. It was if He had said: You know to water your donkey or ox on the Sabbath, would you not help this daughter of Abraham?

The context is not about healing. It is about the Sabbath.


5 posted on 09/13/2012 12:32:12 AM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: Berlin_Freeper

You were being the Gentle Christ to that man missing a leg, Berlin_Freeper. Years ago I shared a hospital room with a man who didn’t seem to have much feeling in his lower half. Complications of diabetes, I think. But he was happy and pleasant and wanted to talk about the baseball playoffs. As the Scripture says: “My grace is sufficient for you, for power is made perfect in weakness.”(2 Cor 12:9)


6 posted on 09/13/2012 2:09:08 AM PDT by MDLION ("Trust in the Lord with all your heart" -Proverbs 3:5)
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To: tired&retired

NONE of us get out of this world alive.A born again Christian with a terminal illness is in a win win situation. If God choses to heal you great, you have more time with family and friends, and to do His work. If not, you get to go to Heaven. One should pray for healing, but also for the grace to accept the answer.


7 posted on 09/13/2012 3:03:13 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: tired&retired
When I scanned his field, I noticed that the memory in his soul

?

Explain please.

8 posted on 09/13/2012 3:14:58 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Frank Broom
Does God want you healed

Yes, yes, yes, and again yes.

I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.

-John 10:10-

9 posted on 09/13/2012 3:15:25 AM PDT by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: D-fendr

For some reason, I can read them in detail.


10 posted on 09/13/2012 5:05:34 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: Hoodat

One of my favorites is:

John 12:47
“If anyone hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world.


11 posted on 09/13/2012 5:12:49 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired
For some reason, I can read them in detail.

So, you are a mind reader?

12 posted on 09/13/2012 7:34:52 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: aimhigh

No. I read the soul memories. It does not matter if the person is aware of the stored memory or not. Often when I touch the memory, it stimulates it enough that it reverse bridges into the conscious awareness and they remember an event that happened to them as a young child 50 to 70 years ago without me ever saying a thing. Usually this is accompanied by an emotional outbreak and subsequent release.

I don’t touch the person in any way and ask them nothing up front. I don’t even want to know their name as it can cause intellectual inference on my part. It’s exactly what Jesus did except that I am at a much more primitive level. Remember He said as He sent His disciples out.. “The things that I do and more, you too shall do in my name.” He was telling the truth! Anyone can do it.


13 posted on 09/13/2012 9:23:14 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: Frank Broom
Not all will be healed no nor is it GOD's will we all be healed while on earth in these bodies. It's not a matter of faith. It is a matter of GOD's strength working through our weaknesses whatever they may be.

Paul in 2 Corinthians 12 asked to be healed three times and three times it did not happen. Was it Pauls faith or lack thereof which prevented it? No and Paul says so. What was his thorn in the flesh? Some think maybe partial blindness.

GOD wants us all to be healed spiritually for life eternal. Our aches, pains, illness are of this imperfect world and shell pass away just as our bodies pass away. These imperfect bodies are not forever. The eternal soul however lives on and for those who believe and accept GOD's plan of healing from sin they are healed eternal as the spirit being is removed from the cursed {from Eden} carnal body.

14 posted on 09/13/2012 9:51:35 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Frank Broom
Did God want Job healed?

What's the point of asking such a question? We do not know what God wants in any particular context. If you're talking about physical healing, who knows? It could be a test of some kind.

However, if you are talking spiritually, then yes, I do believe He always wants us healed.

15 posted on 09/13/2012 9:55:23 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: tired&retired

Thank you tired&retired for reading this article. I’m glad you enjoyed it. Thanks!!


16 posted on 09/13/2012 1:52:30 PM PDT by Frank Broom
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Thank you Berlin_Freeper for reading this and sharing your experience. Thanks!!!


17 posted on 09/13/2012 1:57:53 PM PDT by Frank Broom
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To: the_Watchman

the_Watchman there is more than one revelation, so if that’s how you see it fine. But, she did have a covenant of healing with God because she was a seed of Abraham. Thanks!


18 posted on 09/13/2012 2:04:02 PM PDT by Frank Broom
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To: Hoodat

Thank you Hoodat I’m glad someone sees that. Thanks!


19 posted on 09/13/2012 2:06:48 PM PDT by Frank Broom
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To: cva66snipe

cva66snipe not all will be healed, but that does not mean it’s not God’s will. Just as all will not be saved, but it is God’s will that all be saved. And it is a matter of faith, but not just faith also the power of God. How many times did Jesus say “According to your faith be it unto you.” And Paul did not have a physical sickness he said, “A messenger of Satan” that is an evil spirit not sickness. And God is concerned with our physical healing all you have to do is look at Jesus, he spent a lot of his time healing physical bodies.


20 posted on 09/13/2012 2:19:27 PM PDT by Frank Broom
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To: ShadowAce

ShadowAce the purpose of asking such a question is that if you don’t think it’s God’s will for you to be healed how are you going to have faith for healing. And yes God did want
Job healed, but sometimes you can do things that open the door to sickness. Just as he said, “The thing I greatly feared has come upon me”, and fear opens the door to the devil. Thanks!


21 posted on 09/13/2012 2:27:45 PM PDT by Frank Broom
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To: tired&retired

I think you, and those you work on, should be very careful.


22 posted on 09/13/2012 2:46:30 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

“I think you, and those you work on, should be very careful.”

LOL... That’s an understatement. And trust not in myself but the Spirit working through me and thy Father above.


23 posted on 09/13/2012 2:55:33 PM PDT by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired

Do you have any guidance or spiritual director?


24 posted on 09/13/2012 3:10:42 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Frank Broom
Ever heard of Joni Erickson Tada? A quadriplegic now about 63 years old a quadriplegic since age 16? Is it her lack of faith or is it GOD's plan through which her ministry to the disabled was born as the reason?

Those who walked with Christ in His ministry here on earth what were their fates? Prison for a few, Stephen was stoned to death. No we are not promised a healthy life here on earth. We are not promised not being persecuted. We are promised though He will never forsake us. As Daniel in the Lions Den as Daniels students in the furnace HE is there.

What about Timothy? He suffered with a stomach ailment or some chronic illness. Remember Paul's advice to him?

1 Timothy ch 5 v23Don’t drink only water. You ought to drink a little wine for the sake of your stomach because you are sick so often.

I've seen many persons in my lifetime who have become sick or lame. Some were healed others remain such. Why? That is GOD's business not ours. What you see as a sickness the person may not be able to overcome can rather be GOD's Power & Glory working through that persons very weakness.

I do wish persons would stop telling those who are Lame or sick that if they only have faith they will be healed. They forget "Thy Will Be Done". It even goes back to these scriptures really.

Matthew Ch 5 29So if your eye—even if it is your good eye£—causes you to lust, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30And if your hand—even if it is your stronger hand£—causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

Where is it stated the person will be given another hand or another eye here on this earth? The body's health is not as important as our salvation. Way too much focus is being placed on healing miracles when even some of Christ closest followers were not granted them.

I've been married to a wonderfull woman for 27 years. GOD has blessed me with her. 27 years ago last week while we were on a date she took her last steps. Her faith doesn't prevent her healing but a spinal blockage likely caused by Polio Replase which damaged the spinal cord and Myelin Nerve Sheaves prevent her form ever walking again in this life. It doesn't however prevent her from loving and praising GOD.

Why was it allowed to happen? We don't know. Why wasn't she healed? We don't know. We likely may not know while in this world. But I will say this much though. The interactions with people may well be the reason. It changed many persons life including hers, mine, and her daughters. It reached a lot of people. The why's are GOD's business. In faith I believe it will be to His Glory although we may not see the whole picture in our life on earth.

25 posted on 09/13/2012 4:59:05 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

“What was his thorn in the flesh? Some think maybe partial blindness.”

2 Corinth 12 Therefore, in order to keep me from becoming conceited, I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. 8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. 9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. 10 That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

The thorn in the flesh is a personal demon that keeps the ego in check to it allows room for God. For when one is full of themselves, they have no room for God. This is also the reason for the parable of the new wine in the old flask and you can’t patch an old garment with new cloth. You must get rid of the old in order to make room for the new.

St Theresa of Avila spoke of her personal demons as the reptiles, it’s the reason that the Hindu statue of Shiva not only shows the ring of fire around him, but the malignant dwarf under his right foot. These personal demons are very real and they are a constant battle for me. I can physically feel them moving in and out through the arches in my feet and then into cramping my lower legs until I push them out again. It’s my safety reminder to keep my thoughts pure.

You usually encounter these demons face to face as you are about to enter the dark-night-of-the-soul. They are there to block you from entering the tunnel of light and to try to get you to turn back. They are as slippery as all get out as they use your ego against you.


26 posted on 09/13/2012 7:16:51 PM PDT by tired&retired
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To: D-fendr

“Do you have any guidance or spiritual director?”

I have constant guidance through reading the Bible, praying, meditating and communing with God. My life has been one of constant wonderful blessings in spite of me. I can only express gratitude to God for guiding me on this path.

It’s hard to explain. My spiritual director is God. I will never place another human being between myself and my Father.


27 posted on 09/13/2012 7:26:24 PM PDT by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired

We can deceive ourselves. You are human also.


28 posted on 09/13/2012 7:36:25 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: cva66snipe

Immediately after my wife graduated from medical school, she went to Yale to work with the famous cancer surgeon Bernie Segal. She worked with cancer patients as a psychiatrist, helping them deal with their situation. She explained that it was the most rewarding life changing experience in her entire life. They learned how to live life.

So many of the cancer patients felt they were finally given the freedom to live and love after their diagnosis. It set them free. Both you and your wife have been blessed to have each other.


29 posted on 09/13/2012 7:37:03 PM PDT by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired
I think it was an actual physical issue possibly happened at his experience with blindness when confronted by Christ. Look at Galatians 6

v11Notice what large letters I use as I write these closing words in my own handwriting. 12Those who are trying to force you to be circumcised are doing it for just one reason. They don’t want to be persecuted for teaching that the cross of Christ alone can save. 13And even those who advocate circumcision don’t really keep the whole law. They only want you to be circumcised so they can brag about it and claim you as their disciples. 14As for me, God forbid that I should boast about anything except the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ. Because of that cross,£ my interest in this world died long ago, and the world’s interest in me is also long dead. 15It doesn’t make any difference now whether we have been circumcised or not. What counts is whether we really have been changed into new and different people. 16May God’s mercy and peace be upon all those who live by this principle. They are the new people of God.£ 17From now on, don’t let anyone trouble me with these things. For I bear on my body the scars that show I belong to Jesus. 18My dear brothers and sisters,£ may the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

Paul usually did not pen his letters but rather they were written by someone he had to write for him. This would point to him either lacking the skill to write {doubtful considering his earlier position with the Jews} or using large letters from having a vision issue making writing very difficult for him. Partial blindness no doubt would be a burden and one he would logically ask to be taken from him.

30 posted on 09/13/2012 7:38:30 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: D-fendr

“We can deceive ourselves. You are human also.”

Don’t remind me. It is a part of myself that I would sooner do without.

In 1988 I died and went to Heaven. It was pure bliss and wonderful. I hated coming back here in this human crap. I missed that connection so much, until I realized that I had been given a taste of the proverbial carrot on the stick in front of me, and that if I worked at it, I could taste all I wanted while still in my physical body.

Jesus is my savior not because He died on the cross. But because He lowered himself to my level to be born in the flesh and teach me to be like him. This is why 1 John 4 speaks of testing spirits with that question. Let’s see.... live on earth experiencing separation from my Father or leaving my body to be with Him always.... Not much of a sacrifice.

I am a soul experiencing my humanness. I am not a human experiencing my soul.


31 posted on 09/13/2012 7:45:49 PM PDT by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired
Don’t remind me. It is a part of myself that I would sooner do without.

Why? Isn't being human also a gift from God? Is human necessarily bad?

32 posted on 09/13/2012 11:45:36 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Frank Broom
...if you don’t think it’s God’s will for you to be healed how are you going to have faith for healing.

I have faith that God will do His will. If it's His will for me to be sick, then I will continue to have faith in Him. His purpose is unknown to me, thus the reason I may be sick is to grow closer to Him, to teach others how to deal with adversity, etc. Sickness is not always evil.

And yes God did want Job healed,...

Then He wouldn't have given Satan permission to afflict Job. That whole story is an explanation that we cannot know God's purposes, or the reasoning behind what is happening to us. Job never--NEVER--received an explanation for his ordeal. Yet he trusted God to do what is right.

Too many people believe that God is just a genie in a bottle, some supernatural being who does what you want if you give him what he wants. That is not the nature of our relationship with him. He is God. We are creation. He owes us nothing, and certainly no explanation for anything He does. He does love us--but He loves us for ourselves, not for our physical beauty or health. He wants us, not our bodies.

33 posted on 09/14/2012 4:19:47 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: D-fendr

“Why? Isn’t being human also a gift from God? Is human necessarily bad?”

While life is precious, whether at conception, incarcerated for murder or in the elderly, its value is that it provides the stage for the learning experiences necessary for the soul to grow. Life provides the fertile soil so the soul does not stay dormant. We are but seeds, planted in the soil of this human experience, growing to be able to utilize the Light to bear fruit. I’m a farmer of souls. As a farmer, you must rely on God to provide everything. A farmer just assists in the best way they can to help the crop grow. The desire for growth must come from within the seed. And just as we must tend to plant seeds in the correct season, and harvest at the correct time, so it is with our souls unfolding. We are now entering the springtime of soul growth. Our desire to grow must come from within us.

In Matthew 13 the disciples did not understand the parable of the tares in the wheat, so they asked Jesus to explain it to them:

The Parable of the Weeds Explained

36 Then he left the crowd and went into the house. His disciples came to him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field.”

37 He answered, “The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the people of the kingdom.

If you could see the human soul, you would realize that:
The human soul is a dipolar field, just as the earth. As the earth is losing its dipolar field strength, the shackles are coming off and souls are sprouting. This is why the events are described in Acts 2 when Peter is quoting the prophet Joel.

The fire that burns the weeds is the presence of the “Heaven on Earth” that is coming. Just as a microwave creates heat from the resistance of the electromagnetic wave passing through dense objects placed in it, an unclean human soul will burn from the resistance created within it as the Holy Spirit moves into it. Only those with the purity of a child will remain unharmed. The reason the Bible describes God as Light is that when a higher level of consciousness descends to a lower level it must give off energy. That energy is the Light we see by the presence of the Holy Spirit. Consciousness in the soul functions much the way electrons fill the orbitals in many levels (mansions) around the nucleus, and just as Neils Bohr described in 1913 when he discovered that an electron descending from an outer orbital to an inner orbital give off a photon (light), so it is when the consciousness of Christ descends upon us. Einstein however was correct in his 20 year argument with Bohr about organization of particles. Bohr was just looking at it from a lower level of consciousness. Einstein better understood how God works.

As the seeds grow, consciousness moves from wave characteristics to particle characteristics as it increases in frequency and what was formerly invisible to man becomes visible. Thoughts become real physical tangible objects to the perception of a higher frequency consciousness. This is what the process of enlightenment is all about. Prayerful healing is merely that higher level of consciousness transmuting the lower level(sin)trapped in the soul that is creating the illness.

Thankfully, Divine Grace is available to all and it does not matter when they arrive at the vineyard to work, the pay is the same.

In answer to your question, if you had a choice between Heaven or hell, where would you sooner be? If the part of us that is flesh causes us to sin, it is better to pluck it out than to lose our soul. Humanness is secondary to the matters of the soul. I could do without this body. Done it before and welcome doing it again.

The problem with most Christians is that they proclaim Jesus as their savior, the same as I do. However they then treat Jesus as a lifeguard that can pluck them from the water when they are drowning, and in the interim stay afraid of water and never learn to swim. While Jesus does have that ability, He came here to teach us how to swim. And being able to swim ourselves, we will not fear water, but enjoy it. And hopefully we will teach others to swim as well. That is why Jesus told His disciples, “The things that I do and more, you too shall do.....”

Jesus is my savior as He lowered Himself to my low level by being born in the flesh to teach me how to swim.


34 posted on 09/14/2012 6:13:09 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: cva66snipe

“I think it was an actual physical issue possibly happened at his experience with blindness when confronted by Christ.”

Just as hearing improves as eyesight diminishes. One sensory input improves to compensate for the weakness of another.

It was not until my eyesight diminished that I was better able to see with my soul.

The reason we close our eyes when we pray is to diminish the sensory input into the thalamus which is performing the priority sort of sensory input allowed to be processed by the central nervous system. Over 90% of the input normally comes from the optic nerve when we are awake. By diminishing this input we become aware of senses we didn’t even know we have. That is why we must be calm and look within to find God.


35 posted on 09/14/2012 6:19:20 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired
If the part of us that is flesh causes us to sin, it is better to pluck it out than to lose our soul. Humanness is secondary to the matters of the soul. I could do without this body.

This sounds a bit gnostic. Do you view human instincts as inherently evil?

36 posted on 09/14/2012 12:14:33 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: tired&retired

My auditory and sensory processing is shot and I mean that in a literal medical sense. By the Grace of GOD I have my physical strength allowing me to care for my wife. But certain auditory or optic stimulation sends me into severe upper Torso spasms {seizures}. That happened 18 years ago. Concentration is difficult at times, balance is poor and I’m well past 50% deaf now LOL... Healing? It ain’t gonna happen. I was born with it but managed to live with it till about age 36 with out much problem..

Before that happened I had an urgency put upon me to read The Bible a lot. Something now for me at is difficult to do. I can read but not chapters at a time. Maybe a few paragraphs. But I retained much of what I read. I have a computer program that helps me find verses much faster that I remeber them but can’t remember chapter and verse..


37 posted on 09/14/2012 12:42:41 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: D-fendr

Matthew 18

8 “If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than to have two hands or two feet and be cast into the eternal fire. 9 If your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it from you. It is better for you to enter life with one eye, than to have two eyes and be cast into the fiery hell.


38 posted on 09/14/2012 1:25:30 PM PDT by tired&retired
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To: D-fendr

Do you view human instincts as inherently evil?

Human instincts are neither good nor bad, they just are. It is all part of the growing in spirit process.


39 posted on 09/14/2012 1:27:17 PM PDT by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired
“If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you;..

Do you read this as literal?

I'm asking because of your statements about the flesh causes us to sin.

It seems a bit toward a teaching of duality in Material (Matter) versus Spiritual or Body (evil) versus Soul (good).

40 posted on 09/14/2012 1:39:21 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

Allow me to answer this way. If no other method could stop me from sinning, then yes. However, I use that scripture to emphasize the importance of not sinning. If anything is that important, I’m sure that any human would have the personal will power to stop sinning prior to reaching that ultimate solution.

Thus literal, yes, but only as a last resort if all else fails. After all, That sin will cause the physical death anyway and create much more discomfort in the long run.

In reality, the flesh does not cause us to sin. It is the weakness in our soul that formulates its identity based upon the flesh. Dying daily is the process of losing that identity. Does that mean literally to die? Yes, but not a death of the physical body. It is a death of the false self or association with the flesh.


41 posted on 09/14/2012 2:43:08 PM PDT by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired

thanks for your reply.

I’d have some quibbles, ‘personal will power’ for example, but I don’t think it worth rehashing to likely end up close to the same place in the end.


42 posted on 09/14/2012 9:50:10 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: tired&retired

thanks for your reply.

I’d have some quibbles, ‘personal will power’ for example, but I don’t think it worth rehashing to likely end up close to the same place in the end.


43 posted on 09/14/2012 9:50:10 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Frank Broom

I know how I’ll be healed, or can be healed, Mr Broom, and it is not by drinking a bottle of Sauvignon Blanc as I did this evening after going on the wagon a few months ago (where I’m staying, by the way, this is just a necessary break), and not by reading the Holy Scripture, or visiting a Christian Church as many well intentioned souls suggest, and not by volunteering to teach reading to children of prisoners as some fools suggest. I know the remedy, it is earthly, and it still ain’t coming.


44 posted on 09/14/2012 9:57:19 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: D-fendr

If we are both Bible based, there is a good chance it would just be semantics.


45 posted on 09/15/2012 8:52:36 AM PDT by tired&retired
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