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THE RAPTURE ON ROSH HASHANA
Watch Unto Prayer ^ | 9/15/12 | ?

Posted on 09/15/2012 5:31:27 AM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman

I found this post which provides great detail and excellent insight into the Feast of Rosh Hashana and the Rapture. It's Pre- Trib and I thought it was most excellent! Dig in my beloved! The title might sound like that it is setting a date but it isn't at all.

Even so come Lord Jesus!

DJP I.F.

There are important parallels between Jewish feasts and the fulfillment of Christ. For example the Passover is now celebrated as the Lord’s Supper. The Sabbath is now celebrated by the Resurrection.

Some other parallels are: Pesach / Passover Hag HaMatzah / Feast of Unleavened Bread Bikkurim / First Fruits Shavout / Feast of Weeks (Pentecost)

Jewish tradition holds that Rosh Hashanah celebrates the anniversary of the creation of the world, a day when “God takes stock of all of His Creation,” which of course includes all of humanity. Translated from the Hebrew, Rosh Hashanah means “head of the year” – rosh means head, while hashanah means year. Jews believe that God’s judgment on this day determines the course of the coming year.

Rosh Hashanah is a Jewish festival in which most work ceases, just as on the weekly Sabbath. It’s celebrated both in joy and solemnity. During the daily prayer service a ram’s horn, or in the Hebrew, shofar, is sounded: “And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation. Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.” (Leviticus 23:23-25)

God does not do things in vain, or without purpose. The Old Testament Holy Days were not just some sort of Divine make-work project to keep the Israelites busy while they were out wandering in the desert. All of the Old Testament Holy Days (Passover, Days of Unleavened Bread, The Feast of Weeks, The Feast of Trumpets, The Day of Atonement, The Festival of Tabernacles and the Last Day) were, and continue to be, living symbols of the stages of God’s Plan of Salvation for all humanity. Those events are now in progress, and true Christians are the manifestation of it.

In the Christian world, Rosh Hashanah is known as The Feast of Trumpets. Many Christians observe this festival for its Christian prophetic application – the Rapture of the Church.

“Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.” (1 Corinthians 15:51-53)

“For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.” (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17)

All the Spring Feasts were fulfilled at Christ’s first coming. All the Fall Feasts picture the Second Advent, and the Feast of Trumpets is the first of the fall feasts, picturing the Rapture.

Now there are more feasts to be fulfilled with the second coming.

Yom Teruah (Rosh HaShanah) / Feast of Trumpets The Rapture; the last trump; wedding of the Messiah; New Moon; Open Door Yom Kippur / Day of Atonement Sukkot / Feast of Tabernacles (Booths)

A special season known as ‘Teshuvah’ which in Hebrew means “to return or repent”, begins on the first day of the month of Elul and continues 40 days, ending with Yom Kippur. Thirty days into Teshuvah, on Tishrei 1, comes Rosh HaShanah. This begins a final ten-day period beginning on Rosh HaShanah and ending on Yom Kippur. These are known as the High Holy Days and as the Awesome Days. The sabbath that falls within this ten-day period is called ‘Shabbat Shuvah’, the Sabbath of Return. Five days after Yom Kippur is ‘Sukkot’, the Feast of Tabernacles. Teshuvah begins on Elul 1 and concludes on Tishrei 10, Yom Kippur. Each morning during the 30 days of the month of Elul, the trumpet (shofar) or ram’s horn is blown to warn the people to repent and return to God.

Rosh HaShanah is also referred to as ‘Yom Teruah’, the Day of the Sounding of the Shofar, or the Day of the Awakening Blast. On Yom Teruah, the Day of the Sounding of the Shofar, it is imperative for every person to hear the shofar.

Yom Teruah is the only festival that no man knows when exactly it will occur. This is due to the fact that it begins on the new moon. The new moon was sanctified when two witnesses see the new moon and attest to it before the Sanhedrin in the Temple.

This sanctification could happen during either of two days, depending on when the witnesses come. Since no one knew when the witnesses would come, no one knew when the Feast of Trumpets would start.

On the 30th of each month, the members of the High Court assembled in a courtyard in Jerusalem, where they waited to receive the testimony of two reliable witnesses. They then sanctified the new moon. The new moon is very difficult to see on the first day because it can be seen only about sunset, close to the sun, when the sun is traveling north. So, looking for a very slim faint crescent moon, which is very close to the sun, is a very difficult thing to do. If the moon’s crescent was not seen on the 30th day, the new moon was automatically celebrated on the 31st day.

For this reason, Yom Teruah is always celebrated for two days. These two days are celebrated as though it is just one long day of forty-eight hours. The reason that it is celebrated for two days is because if they waited to start the celebration until after the new moon had been sanctified, they would have missed half the celebration because the new moon can only be sanctified during daylight hours. The command seems to be that we know the season, but not the day or the hour (Matthew 24:32-36).

Yom Teruah, or the Feast of Trumpets, is the only feast that we do not know the day in which to keep it. Therefore, we have to be on the alert and watch for it.

Teruah means “an awakening blast”. A theme associated with Rosh.

HaShanah is the theme “to awake”. Teruah is also translated as “shout”.

The book of Isaiah, chapter 12, puts the shouting in the context of the thousand-year reign of Jesus. The Messianic era and shout is mentioned in Isaiah 44:23 and Zephaniah 3:14. The first coming of Christ is associated with a shout in Zechariah 9:9. The ultimate shout is the Rapture in First Thessalonians 4:16-17.

Whether it is by the blast of a shofar or the force of a supernatural shout, God’s goal is to awaken us. “...Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.” – Ephesians 5:14.

The book of Ephesians has many references to Rosh HaShanah and the high Holy Days. For example, in Ephesians 4:30, being sealed unto the day of redemption refers to Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement. God gave this festival to teach us that we will be judged on Rosh HaShanah and will be sealed unto the closing of the gates on Yom Kippur.

The theme of awakening from sleep is used throughout the Bible. It is found in John 11:11, Romans 13:11, Daniel 12:1-2 and Psalm 78:65.

The shofar was also blown at the temple to begin the Sabbath each week. There are two types of trumpets used in the Bible:

1. The silver trumpet 2. The shofar or ram’s horn

Each sabbath, two men with silver trumpets and a man with a shofar made three trumpet blasts twice during the day. On Rosh HaShanah, it is different. The shofar is the primary trumpet. On Rosh HaShanah, a shofar delivers the first blast, a silver trumpet the second, and then a shofar the third.

According to Leviticus 23:24 and Numbers 29:1, Rosh HaShanah is the day of the blowing of the trumpets.

“Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, in the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.” – Leviticus 23:24

“And in the seventh month, on the first day of the month, ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work: it is a day of blowing the trumpets unto you.” – Numbers 29:1

The trumpet used for this purpose is the ram’s horn, not trumpets made of metal as in Numbers Chapter 10.

Another name for Rosh HaShanah is ‘Yom HaDin’, the Day of Judgment. The righteous are separated and will be with God. This is known to us as the Rapture. The wicked will face the wrath of God during the tribulation period.

The shofar blown on Rosh HaShanah is known as the last trump, which the apostle Paul mentioned in First Thessalonians 4:16-17. At this time, the believers in Christ will escape the tribulation on earth and will be taken to Heaven in the Rapture along with the righteous who had died before this time.

The gates of Heaven are opened on Rosh HaShanah so the righteous nation may enter (Isaiah 26:2, Psalm 118:19-20). Because the gates of Heaven are understood to be open on Rosh HaShanah, this is further evidence that the Rapture of the believers in Christ will take place on Rosh HaShanah.

One of the reasons for blowing the shofar is to proclaim the resurrection of the dead. The resurrection of the dead will take place on Rosh HaShanah.

In First Corinthians 15:52, the apostle Paul tells us that the resurrection of the dead will be “at the last trump.” Earlier in First Corinthians 15:14, he wrote that without the Lord Jesus rising from the dead, our faith is in vain.

We cannot go to the Book of Revelation and say that the voice of the seventh angel (Revelation 11:15) is the last trump. In the first century, the last trump (shofar) meant a specific day in the year. In Judaism, there are three trumpets that have a name. They are the first trump, the last trump, and the great trump. Each one of these trumpets indicates a specific day in the Jewish year. The first trump is blown on the Feast of Pentecost (Exodus 19:19).

It proclaimed that God had betrothed Himself to Israel. The last trump is synonymous with Rosh HaShanah, according to Theodore Gaster in his book, Festivals of the Jewish Year, in his chapter on Rosh HaShanah. Herman Kieval also states the same thing in his book, The High Holy Days in the chapter on the shofar. The great trumpet is blown on Yom Kippur, which will herald the return of Jesus back to the earth (Matthew 24:31).

The first and last trump relate to the two horns of the ram, which according to Jewish tradition, was caught in the thicket on Mount Moriah when Abraham was ready to slay Isaac and offer him up as a burnt offering. This ram became the substitute for Isaac even as Jesus became the substitute for us and provided life for us through His death.

Rabbi Eliezer tells us in Pirkei Avot, that the left horn (first trump) was blown on Mount Sinai, and its right horn (the last trump) will be blown to herald the coming of the Lord for His Church.

Isaiah 18:3 and First Thessalonians 4:13-18 speak of the resurrection of the dead. First Thessalonians chapter 5 continues with the day of the Lord and the birthpangs of the Messiah. The festivals will, beyond a shadow of a doubt, tell you that the resurrection of the dead precedes the time of Jacob’s trouble (the Tribulation). First Thessalonians 4:16-17 says that the dead in Christ will rise first, and that the catching away of the believers will immediately follow.

The term ‘rapture’ comes from the Greek word ‘harpazo’, which means “to seize, catch away, catch up, pluck, pull, take by force” (1 Thessalonians 4;17). Isaiah 57:1-2 speaks clearly of the resurrection of the dead, the taking of the believers, and the hiding of the believers from the indignation (the tribulation). Zephaniah 1:14-18 and 2:2-3 tells about the terrible times during the day of the Lord, the birthpangs of the Messiah, and issues a decree to repent and turn to God before that day to be hid from that time.

Psalm 27:5 says the righteous will be hid in the time of trouble. Paul in Second Thessalonians 2:1 tells us, “Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him.” The phrase “gathering together” comes from the Greek word ‘episunagoge’, which means “an assembly”.

The Feast of Trumpets, through careful study depicts nothing less than the return of Jesus Christ for His Church at the last trump, just before God pours His wrath and judgment on a sinful and Christ rejecting world

To summarize:

The Feast of Trumpets is when the “last trump” of the Rapture of 1 Cor. 15 is blown.

The Feast of Trumpets is known as the Wedding of the Messiah, and the Church is the Bride of Christ, and the Rapture is when the Church is caught up to heaven to be wed with Christ.

The Feast of Trumpets happens on the “new moon”, which is 29.5 days after the last one, meaning it might occur on the 29th or 30th day, nobody knows for sure.

The “Open Door” of the Rapture in Matt 25, and Rev 3, & Rev 4:1 is a symbol of the Feast of Trumpets. [Ezek 46:1] “Thus says the Lord GOD: The gate of the inner court that faces east shall be shut on the six working days; but on the sabbath day it shall be opened and on the day of the new moon it shall be opened.”

“Thus saith the Lord GOD; The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened.” (KJV)

We are told that the new moon and the Feasts of the Lord are a shadow of things to come in Col 2:16,17. Since the Feast of Trumpets is the only Feast of the Lord that falls on a new moon, we should take particular note.

There are seven Days of Awe in between the Feast of Trumpets and the Day of Atonement. These picture the seven years of tribulation. Atonement pictures Satan being defeated and cast away at the end of tribulation. If you add the two-day Trumpets Feast, and the Day of Atonement, the 7 Days of Awe are “ten days of tribulation” which might be referred to in Rev. 2:10.

In the Jewish Wedding, a marriage takes place over a period of time known as the “bridal week”. During the bridal week, the groom and bride have relations in the bridal chamber. At the end of the week, there is a marriage supper. Compare Judges 14, Rev. 19, and Genesis 29:22-28. This bridal week will be the tribulation week on earth, while the bride of Christ is in heaven.

In the Jewish Wedding, the groom comes for his bride without warning to take (seize / rapture) her away and into the bridal chamber for the bridal week at his father’s house.

The Feast of Trumpets is also known as the coronation of the Messiah, when he will start reigning as king, thus the beginning of the “Day of the Lord”, which includes the Tribulation.


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It's all Jewish my dear friends!!
1 posted on 09/15/2012 5:31:30 AM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Thank you. This was a nice way to start the day.


2 posted on 09/15/2012 5:57:48 AM PDT by Mrs.Z
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Baruch haba b’Shem Adonai
(Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD)


3 posted on 09/15/2012 7:19:32 AM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
..the late Zola Levitt opened my eyes to this a few years ago

Don't know the exact time, but the major events in the church age corresponding with the major Jewish feasts--no coincidence here IMO

ROSH HASHANAH--listening for the Shofar...

4 posted on 09/15/2012 7:19:54 AM PDT by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: Mrs.Z
Thanks. An interesting read.
5 posted on 09/15/2012 7:21:55 AM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: WalterSkinner

I miss Zola, always appreciated his program.


6 posted on 09/15/2012 7:58:44 AM PDT by ShasheMac
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Are you Pre-Trib in your beliefs?


7 posted on 09/15/2012 8:05:56 AM PDT by TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed (Yahuah Yahusha)
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To: TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed

Yes my friend. Absolutely and totally.


8 posted on 09/15/2012 9:41:50 AM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: WalterSkinner

Love Zola and his ministry. He has an awesome newsletter! Cutting edge stuff!


9 posted on 09/15/2012 9:44:16 AM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: Lera

Wee! and Maranatha!


10 posted on 09/15/2012 9:45:30 AM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: Mrs.Z

Awesome! and God speed!


11 posted on 09/15/2012 9:46:18 AM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Wow! Didn’t we just have a rare double moon appearance for the month of Sept.? One was called Blue moon I think. Excuse my ignorance, but what month and day does Rosh HaShanah occur? We are so near....WOW! And with the ME exploding, everything is falling into place like a jigsaw puzzle. Come quickly Lord Jesus Come!!


12 posted on 09/15/2012 10:12:28 AM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: RoseofTexas

Rosh Hashanah begins in the evening of Sunday, September 16, 2012, and ends in the evening of Tuesday, September 18, 2012.


13 posted on 09/15/2012 10:26:29 AM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
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14 posted on 09/15/2012 10:35:09 AM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Thanks for this post!


15 posted on 09/15/2012 10:37:46 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Thank you for posting this great article! There is another Old Testament reference to the Rapture and The Great Tribulation, found in Isaiah 26:20-21.


16 posted on 09/15/2012 11:18:31 AM PDT by ragmop
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

We cannot go to the Book of Revelation and say that the voice of the seventh angel (Revelation 11:15) is the last trump.

> As a post-tribber, I, of course, disagree. I find it hard to believe that, with so much Jewish imagery in Revelation, the trumpets there have no relevance to the Jewish feast of trumpets.

The seals are Jewish imagery, why wouldn’t the trumpets be likewise? Obviously Jewish Christians of the first century reading the Revelation, would recognize them as being drawn from their feast of trumpets.

A pre-tribber, of course, cannot allow this, for it’s last trump is clearly post-tribulational. Even your article admits the seventh, or last, is the post-tribulational return of Christ.

As to as the inferences in your article endeavoring to prove a pre-trib rapture, that is all they are - inferences. The actual NT data says otherwise. For instance, the actual NT data makes the sounding of your “last trumpet” and “great trumpet” one and the same event.

And it was Jews who wrote most of the NT, so they ought to know. If they thought the last and great trumpets were different prophetic events, as your article infers, they certainly didn’t indicate it.


17 posted on 09/15/2012 3:48:02 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

I, like you, am convinced that the Rapture will be associated with Rosh Hashanah.

I, like you, am convinced that believers will not be subject to Yahuah’s (YHWH) wrath.

I, like you, have been watchful for a “seven” covenant (Daniel 9:27) to be confirmed with Israel.

It is not conclusive to me, however, that the “seven” constitutes “The Great Tribulation.” The text of Daniel 9:27, taken on its own, merely establishes a window within which the daily [sacrifice] is abolished. It does not add anything about tribulation.

Israel is currently in the midst of a seven year agreement called the ENPI. Its last official day is December 31, 2013. If this ENPI is the “seven” of Daniel 9:27, then I expect that we should see the daily [sacrifice] abolished before December 31, 2013. We still have about fifteen (15) months to go.

If you are interested in more detail (I have been studying this since I became a believer in 1993), please let me know. Otherwise, I will not further trouble you.

Blessings in the name of our Savior, Yahusha.


18 posted on 09/15/2012 4:40:49 PM PDT by TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed (Yahuah Yahusha)
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To: sasportas

sasportas,

If our aim is to save the lost, we will do well to use honey and gentle reasoning. If you try to convince a man against his will, his very nature causes him to dig in his heels and hold more tightly to his position.

In my pride of what I believe to be a correct understanding of the times (we all think that we are right), I have many times been guilty of pushing too hard. It has never been successful. It has, however, put men at odds with me - the very opposite of what I had hoped to achieve.

From your post, you appear to be very well read. You seem to understand Jewish imagery and prophetic scripture.

May I offer to you my take on what will happen soon? I think that you will find it very interesting in that it agrees in many respects with your post-trib beliefs.

I wrote the following article in an attempt to tie together prophetic scriptures in such a way that they do not conflict with one another.

http://unsealedprophecy.wordpress.com/2012/02/20/psalm-83-war-imminent/

Here is an updated version of the spreadsheet that accompanies the article.

http://unsealedprophecy.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/prophecy_v4-1-7.xls

Mathematically (day counts and events), everything ties out.

However, if you read what I have put together and find flaws in it, I would very much like to have your comments.

I am not a prophet. I am merely an mathematically and scientifically educated believer attempting to make sense of the complex revelations that our heavenly father has left us for our education.

Blessing in the name of our savior, Yahusha.


19 posted on 09/15/2012 4:57:44 PM PDT by TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed (Yahuah Yahusha)
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To: TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed

I went to your links, Truth. Interesting. And thanks for your admonition to try using gentle reasoning. I’ll try to do better. Actually, I didn’t think I was pushing all that hard.

Since this thread is about the feasts of Israel, in particular the one at hand, trumpets, I thought I was pretty much on subject wouldn’t you say?


20 posted on 09/15/2012 6:10:21 PM PDT by sasportas
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sasporta,

Yes. You were on subject.

There are perhaps fewer than one man in ten thousand who have your scriptural insight. Remember that whatever knowledge and wisdom that you have is a gift from your heavenly father. He knows your name. He has chosen you to represent him in this tumultuous ending of the Church age.


21 posted on 09/15/2012 7:17:43 PM PDT by TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed (Yahuah Yahusha)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Thank you for this. Maranatha! Come Lord Jesus!


22 posted on 09/15/2012 11:01:21 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed

BTTT


23 posted on 09/15/2012 11:09:06 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed

“One man in ten thousand?” Well, thanks, I didn’t realize my one little post would get such an accolade, and from someone who believes the last trump of the feast of trumpets is not the last trump of 1 Cor. 15 no less! I hasten to say, the ones with superior knowledge and wisdom is certainly not me, it’s the NT Jewish writers. Their insight is superior to modern prophecy expositors. As Apostolic Jews, far superior to modern Jewish (or Gentile Messianic) pretrib prophecy expositors...who are forever trying to insert another parousia, or second coming, additional to the singular parousia featured in all their writings. They are the Apostolic Jews with the “smarts” you and I should follow, not these modern ones.

If Paul, a Jewish writer of NT prophecy, believed the “last” trump was an additional pretribulational parousia, additional to Jesus’ post-tribulational “great” trump, Matt. 24, bringing out a dramatic new revelation, then he would certainly have used clear unambiguous language in setting this forth...yet his term is the same as Jesus, “parousia.” If he had called it the first parousia of a two parousia series, the first second coming, or something to that effect, then case is closed, we wouldn’t be having this difference of opinion. But he did not.

Surely he would have been aware of the various trumpet blasts touted in the lead article here, shofar or otherwise, in the Jewish feasts he had observed all his life, Surely he was aware of the ones at Pentecost, the month of Elul, Rosh Hoshana, and Yom Kippur.

Ir is really quite simple, the notions of modern pretrib Jewish expositors notwithstanding, his “last” trump, 1 Cor. 15, was identical to Jesus’ “great” trumpet, Matt. 24.

The one blown on Yom Kippur, or the day of atonement, is the post-tribulational one Jesus called the great trumpet. Closing out the tribulation, it most assuredly would be the last one.


24 posted on 09/16/2012 5:54:06 AM PDT by sasportas
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sasportas,

Rosh Hashanah features trumpets sounded in a pattern:

1) tekiah - a long, unwavering blast
2) shevarim - three short, broken blasts
3) teruah - nine staccato blasts
4) tekiah - one long blast

In my opinion, the last tekiah blast is the one cited in Matt. 24:31. It seems to fit best. Rosh Hasanah is also known as the feast of the New Moon (when the Moon is dark).

“And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.” (Matt. 24:31)

This brings it into harmony with the moon not giving its light at the time of the Rapture.

“the moon will not give its light” Matt. 24:29

In agreement with you, this brings The Great Tribulation to a close. Everything harmonizes without contradication.


25 posted on 09/16/2012 11:00:37 AM PDT by TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed (Yahuah Yahusha)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
Amazing. Wouldn't it be amazing to be called home to Christ this way?

I don't know when.....or the year....but I have read about the Rapture occurring at this ancient Jewish feast before, and I believe it to be true.

If it were to occur now, the United States would descend into chaos. Obama would be reelected in a walk. Israel would be totally alone. The world would quickly descend into the ultimate Dark Age.

26 posted on 09/16/2012 1:37:38 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

I do not understand the significance of the trumpet blasts, except in rev. i think it is symbols of different happenings in time frames, While John was in the spirit he saw things which he wrote down and may or may not have even understood him self.

The way i read is that the tribulation and the time of wrath are not exactly the same, and i do believe that Christians will go through the tribulation and that they will die and in the instant of death be raptured ( resurrected ) but they will not sleep in death as many before them has.

Paul makes it plain.


in 1 cor 15:36
[Thou] fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

He was saying that our physical bodies has to die before we can be given our spiritual bodies.


1 Thessalonians 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

This is the only scripture that even hints at being resurrected with out dieing, but i believe Paul has already made it plain in 1 cor 15:36.


27 posted on 09/17/2012 8:20:28 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed
My friend, sorry for the late respounse..

I am established in my positron on this and have weighted out all views... no offense Glad that you know the Messiah of Israel!! God speed! David

28 posted on 09/22/2012 5:33:13 PM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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