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Loveland school seizes rosary beads from student, says they’re ‘gang symbol’
KDVR Fox 31 News in Denver ^ | Sep. 14, 2012 | Tammy Vigil

Posted on 09/15/2012 8:29:43 PM PDT by grey_whiskers

LOVELAND, Colo. — A student is questioning whether his faith or his fashion is under fire at his high school in Loveland.

Thompson Valley High School officials have confiscated his rosary beads twice since school started three weeks ago.

And he says they never told him, or his family, why.

“They tell me I can’t wear them,” says Manuel Vigil, showing us an identical rosary to the one seized by his school.

The junior says he wears rosary beads to protect himself from harm.

But his school district thinks the religious necklace will harm students.

“That’s typically not what we want for a safe environment for school,” says Thompson Valley School District spokesperson Margaret Crespo.

(Excerpt) Read more at kdvr.com ...


TOPICS: Activism; Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: catholic; godless; publicschool; rosary
Note the last sentence of the excerpt.

Does this clinch things? Can we now agree that school officials must be possessed? /sarc>

Or are they afraid that Manuel Vigil will lead the students on an uncontrolled frenzy of eating at Chick-Fil-A? Oh, the humanity.

For those who care, the contact information for Thompson Valley School District spokesperson Margaret Crespo is Crespo, Margaret

Margaret Crespo
Director of Secondary Education
Thompson School District
800 S. Taft Avenue
Loveland, CO 80537
(670) 613-6175

margaret.crespo@thompsonschools.org

Source -- click on the "Contact Us" at the bottom center of the page to get the snail mail address.

Cheers!

1 posted on 09/15/2012 8:29:49 PM PDT by grey_whiskers
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2 posted on 09/15/2012 8:31:12 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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3 posted on 09/15/2012 8:31:36 PM PDT by narses
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To: grey_whiskers

So the school considers the Catholic Church to be a gang?


4 posted on 09/15/2012 8:34:38 PM PDT by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: grey_whiskers
...and in a related vein:


5 posted on 09/15/2012 8:40:27 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Fiji Hill
So the school considers the Catholic Church to be a gang?

Unfortunately, many gangs do use different color rosary beads as gang symbols. Obviously, a wholesale prohibition of rosary beads is a massive overreaction (not to mention being unconstitutional), but my guess is that it was motivated by typical mindless, zero-tolerance, no exceptions school bureacratic rules than it was by any sort of anti-religious prejudice.

6 posted on 09/15/2012 8:40:43 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: grey_whiskers

ROSARIES ARE NOT WORN.
THEY ARE NOT JEWELRY.

Wearing the Rosary is the long-identified practice of the Latin Kings. Drop the punk off downtown and see what happens to him then.


7 posted on 09/15/2012 8:40:49 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: SJSAMPLE

I agree. Rosary beads worn as jewelry is a desecration.


8 posted on 09/15/2012 8:45:33 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert
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To: Fiji Hill
So the school considers the Catholic Church to be a gang?

Worse than that. I had a high school tell me that their Honours English teacher told the class that anyone who believes in the Virgin Birth is a member of the Cult of Mary.

Cheers!

9 posted on 09/15/2012 8:45:52 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

I didn’t read the whole article but rosary beads are never to be worn except by priests and nuns. The gangs around here wear them.


10 posted on 09/15/2012 8:46:00 PM PDT by tiki
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To: grey_whiskers
The junior says he wears rosary beads to protect himself from harm.

Garlic works better for vampires. Is he worried about zombies?

11 posted on 09/15/2012 8:46:32 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: grey_whiskers

I would just start carrying my bible around everywhere, and talking to everyone about it.


12 posted on 09/15/2012 8:46:36 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: Fiji Hill

The Catholic church as NEVER advocated the wearing of The Rosary as jewelry.

Wearing The Rosary has been the unique practice of the Latin Gang, a known violent gang.

No different than wearing a red or blue bandana. Gang signage.


13 posted on 09/15/2012 8:48:09 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: grey_whiskers

It wouldn’t be Christian to slap the teacher. Damn it!


14 posted on 09/15/2012 8:50:47 PM PDT by Terry Mross (The Clintons are extremely afraid of obama. Do they owe him their souls?)
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To: SJSAMPLE
Are the Latin Kings in Denver?

(Even *I* as an adult convert to Catholicism vaguely knew that the Rosary was not to be worn...but this is just a high school kid.)

Cheers!

15 posted on 09/15/2012 8:56:18 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Blood drop.

(Newborn gang member.)

16 posted on 09/15/2012 9:00:18 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: tiki

It’s considered OK to wear the rosary if someone does it for religious purposes. I’ve never been taught differently. Nuns, Priests, anyone can wear a rosary for the right reasons. Obviously gangs aren’t doing it for the right reasons.


17 posted on 09/15/2012 9:01:39 PM PDT by Varda
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To: grey_whiskers
I'm appalled that a Hispanic Catholic would be treated this way by liberals. Aren't they supposed to be different from "regular" Catholics . . . you know, oppressed, indigenous, revolutionary, etc.?

Next thing you know they'll be taking Bibles from Black students.

18 posted on 09/15/2012 9:01:43 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: grey_whiskers

Actually you can wear a rosary. It’s not the custom in this country. http://www.zenit.org/article-32848?l=english


19 posted on 09/15/2012 9:04:30 PM PDT by Varda
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To: SJSAMPLE

When I was younger, the Church I attended required that I carry my rosary and wear it at least weekly. Doctrine may not explicitely require wearing of the rosary, but it also doesn’t state not to wear the rosary either.

Are you and others on this board saying that, since doctrine doesn’t require wearing the rosary, it must not happen and this persom should hide his religous beliefs?


20 posted on 09/15/2012 9:08:29 PM PDT by azsportsterman
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To: grey_whiskers

you don’t wear a Rosary, you carry it. There are NEVER 13 beads in a section, that is strictly a gang thing and zero tolerance should be the rule of thumb when dealing with gangs.....useless groups of human trash.


21 posted on 09/15/2012 9:21:35 PM PDT by terycarl
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He’s tried to pick them up from the office. But the school says they’ll only give them to a parent and his mom can’t make it during school hours because of work.

Waiting, no doubt in vain, for an ACLU shyster to come to the rescue, pro bono of course.

22 posted on 09/15/2012 9:50:43 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Varda

I was raised catholic and it was never worn. One of the projects in early school years was to make a felt pouch to carry one, I clearly recall.


23 posted on 09/15/2012 10:23:14 PM PDT by Moonmad27 ("I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way." Jessica Rabbit)
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To: grey_whiskers

There is a lot of MS-13 in Larimer county.


24 posted on 09/15/2012 10:38:32 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: grey_whiskers
A rosary should not be worn by lay people. That is what a scapular is for.


25 posted on 09/16/2012 4:29:07 AM PDT by mc5cents
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To: DLfromthedesert

I assume you never went to Catholic school.


26 posted on 09/16/2012 4:47:12 AM PDT by 230FMJ (...from my cold, dead, fingers.)
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To: TigersEye

There is a lot of MS-13 in Larimer county
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good point.
and it was my understanding,
that the rosary in question,
haad 13 beads, instead of 10...


27 posted on 09/16/2012 4:51:53 AM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: TigersEye
OK -- couldn't they have just told him that "gangs often *wear* the Rosary" and said, "Keep it in your pocket" instead of confiscation?

Zero tolerance...

28 posted on 09/16/2012 5:36:01 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Moonmad27

So was I and it wasn’t worn in any place I lived either. That doesn’t mean that the custom in one place is correct over a custom in another. There is no doctrine about this except as was explained in the link (post 19) above.


29 posted on 09/16/2012 6:16:14 AM PDT by Varda
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To: grey_whiskers

They should be punishing gangs and prosecuting their leaders more severely, not punishing everyone else.
If the gangs switched from Catholic symbols to Muslim ones, they’d be totally protected by administrators. Or wear Sikh gear and gain permission to carry a knife to school.


30 posted on 09/16/2012 7:07:53 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: 230FMJ

You would be wrong in your assumption. I went when the nuns actually wore habits, and yes, they wore the rosary, but not as jewelry as some are doing today.


31 posted on 09/16/2012 9:29:56 AM PDT by DLfromthedesert
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To: Elendur

That’s interesting. Loveland is a relatively conservative community as is Larimer cty on the whole.


32 posted on 09/16/2012 10:57:49 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: grey_whiskers
OK -- couldn't they have just told him that "gangs often *wear* the Rosary" and said, "Keep it in your pocket" instead of confiscation?

I can't say that they didn't. From the little contact I've had with gang banger punks they're pretty disrespectful little smart asses.

33 posted on 09/16/2012 10:59:29 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: grey_whiskers

*The junior says he wears rosary beads to protect himself from harm*

Then he is abusing them and should stop, out of respect for other Catholicsat school who presumably don’t like to see sacred objects reduced to a profane or superstitious use.


34 posted on 09/16/2012 2:03:16 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: grey_whiskers

Sorry folks, this is true. :(

My school also prohibits the wearing of them on the outside of clothing.

Gangs have hijacked the public display of Rosaries, and that’s the way it is. In my area, the beads are arranged to indicate the number “13.”


35 posted on 09/16/2012 2:07:59 PM PDT by bannie ("The gov't that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.")
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To: Fiji Hill
About a decade ago, some of the students in our school began to wear rosary beads outside their shirts.

From what I recall the color of the beads indicated what type of drug you were selling.

As a teacher, I sympathized with the kids that I knew attending Mass weekly but some who wore them were not even Catholic.

36 posted on 09/16/2012 2:12:18 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West)
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To: DLfromthedesert; 230FMJ

My recollections agree with yours, fromthedesert, and rosaries were carried, not worn. Nuns in traditional habit used to hang them from their belt. Many people did, and do, carry them in a pocket bag. Wearing them around the neck is an innovation, of a secular type. One would not easily recite the rosary with it around ones neck.


37 posted on 09/16/2012 5:44:34 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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