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Benedict XVI: “Real Believers Don’t Kill”
La Stampa-Vatican Insider ^ | 9/15/12 | Giacomo Galeazzi

Posted on 09/16/2012 2:27:03 PM PDT by marshmallow

The Holy Father met with Lebanese political and religious leaders in the Baabda Presidential Palace, where he was welcomed by the country’s President Michel Suleiman and his wife

The Pope’s second day of his three-day Apostolic Visit to Lebanon is being marked by a series of political and institutional meetings and an encounter with a group of young Middle Eastern people in the afternoon. After lunching with Lebanese patriarchs and bishops in the Armenian Catholic Patriarchate of Cilicia, Benedict XVI will move on to Bkerke, to meet with Lebanese and Middle Eastern young people.

Thousands of people waving Lebanese and Vatican flags gathered this morning in Beirut to greet Benedict XVI, who left the Apostolic Nunciature in Harissa (north of the capital) at 9:30 am to visit the Presidential Palace in Baabda.

The Pope was welcomed by Lebanon’s Marronite Catholic president, Michel Suleiman, in person, who invited locals yesterday to gather in the streets to greet the Pope. Today was declared a national holiday in Lebanon on the occasion of Benedict XVI’s Apostolic Visit to the country. A part from the President, the Pope also met with other State officials and leaders of the Muslim communities.

The Pope planted a Lebanese cedar tree (the country’s national emblem), together with President Suleiman in the Baabda Presidential Palace. The brief ceremony was held before the Pope addressed his speech on peace to Lebanese political, intellectual and religious figures in the May 25th Hall (the date of the Israeli retreat from Lebanon after the war in 2000) of the Baabda Presidential Palace. When Benedict XVI entered the Hall he was greeted with applause and music by Mozart in the background.

In an inflamed Middle East, Benedict XVI has called for collaborative action and “authentic dialogue bearing....

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1 posted on 09/16/2012 2:27:06 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Believers have often practiced human sacrifice. The Aztecs thought the sun coming up deserved a fresh human heart.


2 posted on 09/16/2012 2:30:24 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: marshmallow
Authentic faith does not lead to death...

Proving once again Islam is a Satanic cult. You are not a good muslim unless you are killing.

The Koran:

Sura (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution of Muslims is worse than slaughter of non-believers...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

Sura (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Sura (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Sura (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Sura (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Sura (47:4) - "So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make them prisoners,"

From the Hadith:

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power."

Ibn Ishaq: 327 - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

Ibn Ishaq: 992 - "Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah."

3 posted on 09/16/2012 2:33:43 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: marshmallow

Real Believers don’t murder,they might have to kill.


4 posted on 09/16/2012 2:36:23 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes
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To: FatherofFive
Ann Barnhardt explains the Koran
5 posted on 09/16/2012 2:38:44 PM PDT by rabidralph (http://www.patriotcalendars.com/)
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To: FatherofFive

The Pope sounds alot like Bush’s “Religion of Peace” talk...

What is wrong with these people?

Islam is for World Conquest and enslavement of all Infidels...

There can be no agreements with Lying Murderers.


6 posted on 09/16/2012 2:40:49 PM PDT by LtKerst
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To: LtKerst

For there to be a one world system, all must be herded to the same place, by whatever methods works on the masses.


7 posted on 09/16/2012 2:45:18 PM PDT by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

He’s doing well; one necessary component in bringing about the end of jihad is to separate it from its wellspring in the minds of those who don’t engage in it.

Thanks marshmallow.


8 posted on 09/16/2012 2:49:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: marshmallow

BS. Believers in mohammed kill like rabid animals.


9 posted on 09/16/2012 2:58:09 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: marshmallow

“Authentic faith does not lead to death... verbal and physical violence must be rejected......”

He said this with a straight face, did he?


10 posted on 09/16/2012 3:01:33 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: marshmallow

The one time I’ll disagree with His Holiness.

We need a Pope Benedict like the one who launched the Crusades.


11 posted on 09/16/2012 3:15:36 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: FatherofFive

great point!
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Pope Benedict is WRONG.
...what he should have said,
instead of real believers don’t kill,
is real religions don’t condone murder.
(of course, Islam even has an “out” for that.
since in Islam, killing one innocent,
is like killing the entire world...
except innocent is defined as muslim only...)
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but, Benedict is still wrong.
the problem isn’t with the believers.
the problem, is with ISLAM.


12 posted on 09/16/2012 3:15:45 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: marshmallow

If I could ask the Holy Father one question, it would be this:

“should we passively allow ourselves to be made subject to sharia, or oppose it?”


13 posted on 09/16/2012 3:16:24 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: SunkenCiv
one necessary component in bringing about the end of jihad is to separate it from its wellspring in the minds of those who don’t engage in it.

How does that work?

14 posted on 09/16/2012 3:19:56 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: SunkenCiv; FatherofFive

one necessary component in bringing about the end of jihad is to separate it from its wellspring in the minds of those who don’t engage in it.
///
respectfully, in the minds of who?
the mythical moderate muslims?
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a moderate muslim, is already NOT following Islam.
you CANNOT remove jihad from Islam.
it is commanded, IN the Holy Quran!
and the Holy Quran, are the literal unalterable words,
of Allah.
Islam CANNOT go through a reformation. impossible.
the closer they return to the original texts,
the more they will kill and terrorize.
(as FatherofFive so excellently showed,
with direct quotes.)
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this isn’t a problem of a tiny minority of muslims
misunderstanding.
they, are the ones, who DO understand what it says.
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we are simply fortunate, that MORE muslims don’t read and obey their own book.
(and i KNOW what they believe. i spent many months INSIDE a “moderate” mainstream Sunni masjid.
it was... educational.)


15 posted on 09/16/2012 3:26:35 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: marshmallow
Benedict is delusional... first off he doesn't know Islamic theology: as "true believers" they are commanded and OBLIGATED to KILL. Second, it is impossible to have "authentic dialogue" with people whose "religion" commands them to convert, enslave or kill you because their "religion" teaches them you are an "infidel" and the only way they are assured of getting into the Islamic pornographic "paradise" where you are promised a perpetual hard-on so that you can have unlimited sex with 72 "doe-eyed" virgins and can sodomize as many little boys as you want is by killing "infidels" or dying in the process of killing "infidels".

This new so-called "pope" has learned NOTHING. The last so-called "pope" kissed the Koran and proclaimed it a "holy book". Since then Muslims have been BUTCHERING Christians all over the globe in the name of Islam... and he is talking "authentic dialogue".

16 posted on 09/16/2012 3:39:02 PM PDT by Jmouse007 (Lord deliver us from evil, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: Jmouse007

Pope Benedict thoroughly understands the Koran. He is a great scholar.


17 posted on 09/16/2012 3:42:19 PM PDT by karnage
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To: Jmouse007

I couldn’t disagree more strenuously; Pope Benedict understands these issues more profoundly than you or I. Perhaps it is a syllogism: true believers don’t kill; you are a killer; therefore...


18 posted on 09/16/2012 3:49:14 PM PDT by I-ambush (Don't let it bring you down, it's only castles burning.)
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To: count-your-change
He said this with a straight face, did he?

And only three weeks after the anniversary of the St Bartholemew Day's Massacre, no less.


19 posted on 09/16/2012 3:51:07 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (At the end of the day, you have to worship the god who can set you on fire.)
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To: marshmallow
I am amazed that so many posters are missing the message here. The Pope is on a mission of healing here. Check out this Scripture -- emphasis is mine.

Ecclesiastes, chapter 3
 

CHAPTER 3

No One Can Determine the Right Time To Act

1* There is an appointed time for everything,

and a time for every affair under the heavens.

2A time to give birth, and a time to die;

a time to plant, and a time to uproot the plant.

3A time to kill, and a time to heal;

a time to tear down, and a time to build.

4A time to weep, and a time to laugh;

a time to mourn, and a time to dance.

5A time to scatter stones, and a time to gather them;

a time to embrace, and a time to be far from embraces.

6A time to seek, and a time to lose;

a time to keep, and a time to cast away.

7A time to rend, and a time to sew;

a time to be silent, and a time to speak.

8A time to love, and a time to hate;

a time of war, and a time of peace.


20 posted on 09/16/2012 3:58:31 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Alex Murphy

I doubt the irony was lost on Muslim listeners either.


21 posted on 09/16/2012 4:41:29 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: I-ambush
I couldn’t disagree more strenuously; Pope Benedict understands these issues more profoundly than you or I. Perhaps it is a syllogism: true believers don’t kill; you are a killer; therefore...

I believe you are correct. He is referring to true believers in God.

22 posted on 09/16/2012 4:45:11 PM PDT by informavoracious (Abortions are unproductive wrongs, not reproductive rights.)
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To: allmendream; marshmallow
I think Benedict-16 was speaking of believers in the One True God, the one who said about 20+ times in the Old Testament (per a quick glance at my concordance) that He hates the shedding of innocent blood.

Jesus--- who is the absolute fulfillment and summit of the revelation of God to Man --- makes that stunningly clear. Lest there should be any confusion.

23 posted on 09/16/2012 5:09:14 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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To: LtKerst

The theoretical, pharmaceuticlly-pure robo-Muslim would be quite a killer. But not all Muslims “live down to” Koranic ideals.


24 posted on 09/16/2012 5:14:10 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Allah FUBAR.)
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To: count-your-change

He said “authentic” faith. It’s a tautology really. A “No True Scotsman” argument.


25 posted on 09/16/2012 5:15:56 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Allah FUBAR.)
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To: Elendur; FatherofFive; Emperor Palpatine
The real solution is this:

Pope Benedict XVI baptizes former-Muslim journalist Allam Magdi
Easter Vigil 2008

Followed by this:

Inshallah.

26 posted on 09/16/2012 5:37:08 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Allah FUBAR.)
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To: papertyger; SunkenCiv
Here's how it works:

#26

27 posted on 09/16/2012 5:39:38 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Allah FUBAR.)
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To: Alex Murphy
This probably comes as a big shock to you, but Pope Benedict didn't conceive of the St. Bartholomew's day massacre, didn't approve of it, didn't lead it, and didn't participate in it. It's actually perfectly possible that he thinks that those who did conceive of it, approved of it, led it, and participated in it proved, by their acts, that they were not authentic Christian believers.

I think the Papacy is the only office in the world whose incumbent is automatically guilty of all the crimes of his predecessors, as well as every crime that was merely committed in the name of one of his predecessors. You might as well take Benedict to task for his hypocrisy in talking about "true belief" at all -- after all, Peter denied Christ THREE times, didn't he???

28 posted on 09/16/2012 6:12:11 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Is he ignorant of the long and bloody history of the organization he heads? Or he is he now redefining “true believers”?


29 posted on 09/16/2012 6:17:22 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Elendur; SunkenCiv; FatherofFive
"Islam CANNOT go through a reformation. impossible. the closer they return to the original texts, the more they will kill and terrorize. "

Good point. But it's probably more accurate to say that "Reformation" is what Islam is going through before our eyes, in the form of radical Wahhabist, Salafist, jihadist belief and practice.

Wahhabism is Islamic Puritanism. That's fascinatingly explained in this article from H.W. Crocker which was a Free Republic thread a couple of years back (LINK).

Wahhabism (radical Reformation) calls for scriptural literalism independent of human reason or logic; destruction of statues, images, shrines; rejection of veneration of saints, strict moralism and the extirpation of all "impure" elements; conflation of Church and State on the basis of Cuius regio, eius religio (just like Reformation-era Church of England, Church of Sweden, Church of whatever-German-prince); et-freakin-cetera.

Radical and terrorist groups such as al-Qaeda and the Taliban, cannot be cured by Reformation for the very simple fact that they are the Reformation. Islam --- religious falsehood--- doesn't need a Reformation. It needs to be replaced by religious truth.

30 posted on 09/16/2012 6:22:58 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Allah FUBAR.)
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To: count-your-change
Is he ignorant of the long and bloody history of the organization he heads? Or he is he now redefining “true believers”?

Neither.

He's attempting to protect Christians in the Middle East, many of whom have been thrown under the bus by US policy, firstly in Iraq (Bush) and secondly, by our unrestrained enthusiasm for the "Arab Spring" (Obama).

I would have thought those who truly consider Middle East Christians to be brothers in Christ would applaud his efforts. Naturally, if you think he's doing a lousy job or he has no business being there, perhaps you could nominate a substitute. I'm sure the Pope would be happy to lend his support. It's not like he has nothing else to do apart from risking his life on trips to the Middle East.

Someone more suitable, perhaps. Someone who wouldn't offend the naysayers who consider the Catholic Church to be disqualified from intervening in human conflict. Is the Jehovah's Witness big cheese available? How about Rick Warren or Paul Crouch?

This is the "whack a Pope" game, isn't it? If the Pope said nothing, folk would scream...."why isn't he doing something, instead of hiding in the Vatican?" When he does say something, the response is ...."shut up....the Catholic Church has no moral authority to criticize those who engage in violence.."

That's the beauty of being a naysayer. It's win-win.

31 posted on 09/16/2012 6:44:47 PM PDT by marshmallow (.)
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To: count-your-change
My friend, look closer! Nobody's redefining "true believers". In 20 centuries the Church has never held up people who shed blood as moral heroes.

I can't think of any Catholic saint who was canonized because of military or sanguinary exploits. You won't find sainted torturers, slavers or warrior-kings. I cant think even of any canonized Crusaders except maybe Louis IX of France, and he was mostly a peacemaker and a just lawgiver who died before actually getting to the Crusade (died of some plague-related infection in Tunis.)

The very --very --- few sainted soldiers are vastly outnumbered by sainted EX-soldiers like Ignatius of Loyola, Martin of Tours, Francis of Assisi, who --- rather like the ex-sword-wielding Apostle Peter --- put down the sword and took up the Cross.

There's plenty of sin in Catholic history. But the perps were in those instances violating, not exemplifying, Catholic doctrine. The one saint I can think of who was famed for a feat of arms (St. Joan of Arc) is a solitary rare bird; there's not another like her.

32 posted on 09/16/2012 6:45:35 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Allah FUBAR.)
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To: count-your-change
Here's the important thing:

It is absolutely essential to keep in mind that there have been butchers, lechers, slave-abductors and so forth in Christian history, but they were acting outside-of and against the precepts and example of Christ, acting (at their worst) in disobedience to their own authorities, were seen by their more devout contemporaries as scandalous, and are seen in retrospect as abhorrent.

By contrast, the butchers, lechers, and slave-abductors in Islamic history were acting in accordance with the precepts and example of Mohammad, acting in conformity to their authorities, were seen by their contemporaries as devout, and are seen in retrospect (by fellow Muslims) as exemplary.

The more religiously observant a Muslim becomes, the more he or she wishes to conform to the Hadiths, to the Koran, and to Mohammad himself; and the more damnable their behavior becomes.

That's the utter perversion of it all.

33 posted on 09/16/2012 6:50:08 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Allah FUBAR.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; marshmallow
I suppose then Pope Innocent III’s bloody campaign against the Albigenses during which thousands of them were slaughtered would disqualify him and his henchmen as “true believers”.
And I might add those who defend his murders also.

“.... the ex-sword-wielding Apostle Peter”?

Peter was told he was wrong to wield the sword and he didn't go out to burn and torture “heretics”.

34 posted on 09/16/2012 7:06:45 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Maybe the Catholic church owes an apology to Bruno the Cathars and many others then.


35 posted on 09/16/2012 7:15:42 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream
Maybe the Catholic church owes an apology to Bruno the Cathars and many others then.

Is THIS what you had in mind?

36 posted on 09/16/2012 7:28:20 PM PDT by marshmallow (.)
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To: count-your-change
I suppose then Pope Innocent III’s bloody campaign against the Albigenses during which thousands of them were slaughtered would disqualify him and his henchmen as “true believers”. And I might add those who defend his murders also.

That there have been "unbelievers" in positions of authority within the Church is beyond dispute. There still are today.

Is the current plight of Christians in Syria, Iraq and other places no more than a window of opportunity to attack Catholicism? Or is your point here that this is an example of "what goes around, comes around" and that we've had this coming to us?

Is there some weird Jehovah's Witness Scripture interpretation which says that Catholics and Orthodox getting a good kicking from the Muslims, is all part of God's plan to punish the "Harlot of Rome"?

37 posted on 09/16/2012 7:57:01 PM PDT by marshmallow (.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Unfortunately, that simply ignores the fact that wherever Christianity has not opposed islam by the sword, Christianity as a social/cultural force has died.

Would to God they all converted, but conducting oneself according to hopes that have an unblemished record of failure is simply insanity.

While ancient Rome may have been a ravening beast, it did have some measure of honor and nobility. By analogy, islam is little more than a disease; the more circumspect it’s adherents, the less human (in the philosophical sense) those adherents becomes.


38 posted on 09/16/2012 8:56:24 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: marshmallow

That man was a paragon! But were the members of the Catholic Church not “ real believers” back then?


39 posted on 09/16/2012 9:02:29 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: marshmallow
“That there have been “unbelievers” in positions of authority within the Church is beyond dispute. There still are today.”

As a Pope? Which ones of these who claim to the successor to Peter, Vicar of Christ, etc.?

I didn't write Benedict's speechs or the history of the Catholic and Muslim warfare in the Middle East.

40 posted on 09/16/2012 9:40:11 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Alex Murphy
Thank God for St Bartholomew and the “Massacre”.

It was all predestined and therefore something we should be thankful for.

41 posted on 09/16/2012 9:44:35 PM PDT by Rashputin (Only Newt can defeat both the Fascist democrats and the Vichy GOP)
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To: count-your-change; Salvation; Mrs. Don-o; NYer
Why do you think that Jesus picked up the ear of the centurion and placed it back where it came from? I am talking about the ear that Peter, roused from his sleep,and seeking to help save Jesus,lopped off.

And then,what did Jesus say to Peter? I believe He said,"those who live by the sword will die by the sword",didn't He?

It seems to me that since this was Christs last night on earth that the conversation was more than some casual back and forth between Jesus and Peter,just maybe He was telling Peter about the futility of fighting and killing. Maybe Benedict XVI follows Him,just as He asked Peter (in perpetuity) to do.

And maybe Benedict XVI is obedient and understands what Christ is telling him to do today. And maybe we all ought to pray and think a little more about what our Triune God wants.

I am interested in anyone's thought. I feel that we are just like those people that lived at the time of the Crucifixion.half asleep but eager to help and more often than not do the wrong thing because we forget what God has taught us.

42 posted on 09/16/2012 9:50:49 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: Mrs. Don-o
“It is absolutely essential to keep in mind that there have been butchers, lechers, slave-abductors and so forth in Christian history, but they were acting outside-of and against the precepts and example of Christ, acting (at their worst) in disobedience to their own authorities, were seen by their more devout contemporaries as scandalous, and are seen in retrospect as abhorrent.”

Who was acting “...in disobedience to their own authorities”,..in the murder and virtual annihilation of “heretics” in France? In fact were not officials and citizens threatened with punishment themselves for any lack of cooperation? Was it not by papal decree?

“In retrospect” who sees such acts as abhorrent? Or are justifications offered up?

43 posted on 09/16/2012 10:03:16 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: saradippity

“Why do you think that Jesus picked up the ear of the centurion and placed it back where it came from? I am talking about the ear that Peter, roused from his sleep,and seeking to help save Jesus,lopped off.
And then,what did Jesus say to Peter? I believe He said,”those who live by the sword will die by the sword”,didn’t He?”

Actually it was the ear of a slave belonging to the High Priest and Jesus added to that comment that Jesus could call upon legions of angels for assistance if he choose.
So he didn’t need Peter’s sword or ours to protect or extend the church.


44 posted on 09/16/2012 10:27:05 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Rashputin
Evidently Pope Gregory XIII was very thankful as he ordered a hymn, Te Deum to be sung and a commemorative medal struck.
45 posted on 09/16/2012 10:36:00 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change
Nevertheless,in both Matthew and John,Jesus tells Peter to put away the sword. In one He says God would send a legion of angels if He chose;in the other He says He He must go.

He also asks Peter in both gospels to put the sword away and in the one I had referred to He says those who live by sword shall perish by it.

I only mentioned it to draw attention to the fact that despite some of the comments questioning what the Pope was doing and saying there are many good reasons to believe the Pope was "following" Truth (Jesus) and Jesus believes it necessary to warn His slumbering people that they should at least be very careful lest their actions cause even more grief.

46 posted on 09/16/2012 11:21:56 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: marshmallow
I submitted this response about a half hour ago but it hasn't shown up.

I just wanted to thank you for so many of the great articles you have posted such as this one as well as the many concise and clear comments,right now I'm referring to the comment you made to a responder.

47 posted on 09/16/2012 11:30:00 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: count-your-change
Actually it was the ear of a slave belonging to the High Priest and Jesus added to that comment that Jesus could call upon legions of angels for assistance if he choose. So he didn’t need Peter’s sword or ours to protect or extend the church.

That is an excellent point! It is Almighty God who calls all men to repentance and faith in Christ. It is the Holy Spirit who is in the world to convict the world of sin, righteousness and judgment. All we are called to do is speak the truth, preach the Gospel, be instant in season and out, and trust the Lord to open hearts to receive the truth. No soul was ever won to saving faith in Christ at the end of a sword. Jesus said all would know we are his disciples by our love one for another. This should be a HUGE clue to those who might be considering conversion to Islam.

48 posted on 09/16/2012 11:35:34 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums
"No soul was ever won to saving faith in Christ at the end of a sword"

As Peter amply demonstrated,we can make people very hard of hearing depending on how we wield the 'sword'.(Ephesians 6:17,1 Peter 3:15)

49 posted on 09/17/2012 12:39:22 AM PDT by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: allmendream; marshmallow
"The Catholic Church is for saints and sinners alone. For respectable people, the Anglican Church will do."

Of course, the immortal Oscar Wilde.

50 posted on 09/17/2012 5:23:23 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Allah FUBAR.)
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