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Oakdale priest, 47, charged in sex assault of boy, 12
Twin Cities Pioneer Press ^ | 9/20/2012 | Emily Gurnon

Posted on 09/21/2012 6:36:26 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne

An Oakdale priest has been charged with criminal sexual conduct involving a 12-year-old boy.

The boy reported to his mother that Curtis Carl Wehmeyer, 47, pastor of the Church of the Blessed Sacrament in St. Paul, had been sexually abusing him in a camper trailer in the church parking lot, according to a criminal complaint.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: agendadrivenfreeper; catholic; homosexualagenda; pederasty; pedophiles; priest; sexualabuse
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1 posted on 09/21/2012 6:36:28 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne
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To: Dr. Thorne

ping


3 posted on 09/21/2012 6:41:16 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Dr. Thorne

Commence morally relative, outward finger pointing in place of serious introspection and commitment to rid the priesthood of this problem....


4 posted on 09/21/2012 6:46:04 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: Jack of all Trades

Bring them up, personally, on charges and throw the key away. The church is an accomplice when they ‘cover’ for them.


5 posted on 09/21/2012 6:49:51 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Dr. Thorne

I bet the word “homosexual” is never used in this article


6 posted on 09/21/2012 6:50:55 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: kimchi lover

The Church has for since the beginning ignored the truth of what this sort of behavior proves, and that is, it identifies Who is NOT leading this person. Such an one when allowed to continue ‘under the cloth’ poisons the Church from within.


7 posted on 09/21/2012 7:13:17 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Dr. Thorne

This can’t be true.

A FReeper recently told me that the church had eliminated all cases of abuse and that abuse now only occurs in public schools.


8 posted on 09/21/2012 7:20:35 AM PDT by TSgt (The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times, is because it is impossible to have two in.)
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To: GeronL

The victim being 12 years old would make this priest a pedophile I would think. I have read that there is a differance. Being a new member of the Church, these reports bother me more now if that’s possible. I remember listening to Gordon Liddy (a Catholic) on the radio once, and he was saying that there was a shortage of priests and seminarians in the 70’s. And that the vetting process was eased to fill the ranks. Don’t know, but now it seems like the Church is moving faster to remove these priests. That being said, I think the Priest in Maryland who refused communion to a woman who basically flaunted her lifestyle in his face and dared him to do anything, was railroaded.


9 posted on 09/21/2012 7:33:40 AM PDT by W.Lee (No compromise)
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To: W.Lee

It is amazing that the same people attacking the Catholic Church and Boy Scouts for these kinds of things are the ones DEMANDING that the pervs be allowed in.


10 posted on 09/21/2012 7:38:55 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Dr. Thorne

Buuut.... if we just let “gays” marry, they wouldn’t do things like this. /sarc


11 posted on 09/21/2012 7:39:02 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Dr. Thorne

F^&(&r

Vendome’s version of a just and proper punishment:

I would chain his hands and legs, then pull him up four flights of metal fire escape stairs, feet first.

Then I would kicked him in the family jewels just enough to cause a stomach ache every 15 minutes for 8 hours.

After that I would push him out a window letting him fall four stories into a pile of razor wire 5 rolls high and 5 rolls wide.

He could lay in the pile of razor wire for two days in the desert sun and then I would release a flock of crows and 1 gallon of scarabs right next to him.

Your mileage may vary...


12 posted on 09/21/2012 7:43:10 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: TSgt

Link, please, tothe FReeper who recently told you this. Thank you.


13 posted on 09/21/2012 7:57:30 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: W.Lee

There are different diagnostic categories in the APA’s DSM, but as a general description, “homosexual” means “male on male” and this is homosexual pedophilia, isn’t it?


14 posted on 09/21/2012 8:06:05 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: W.Lee

I would encourage you to read “goodbye good men” to understand this within the Catholic Church.


15 posted on 09/21/2012 8:15:25 AM PDT by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: TSgt
You're on the wrong thread, Sarge.

No hot young females are involved.

Run along.

16 posted on 09/21/2012 10:02:55 AM PDT by marshmallow (.)
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To: marshmallow

It’s both sad and disturbing that you find child rape funny.


17 posted on 09/21/2012 10:20:29 AM PDT by TSgt (The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times, is because it is impossible to have two in.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Elendur

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2927891/posts?page=3#3

“in the past 2 decades, the church rate, has been reduced to almost zero.”

They go on to mention public schools because hey,

Don’t Blame Us, Everyone Rapes Children!™ - RCC


18 posted on 09/21/2012 10:25:28 AM PDT by TSgt (The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times, is because it is impossible to have two in.)
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To: TSgt
It’s both sad and disturbing that you find child rape funny.

I think the same thing every time I see you screaming "not guilty" at one of those young hotties.

19 posted on 09/21/2012 10:34:08 AM PDT by marshmallow (.)
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To: Dr. Thorne
"Church officials went to the rectory June 21 after the mother called police and "advised defendant that he was immediately relieved of his duties and instructed to leave the premises,"

Another pervert masquerading as a priest has been outed and the Church dealt quickly and decisively with it as soon as it was made known. Why don't we equally decry the lack of parental oversight in these cases? Surely, there is some culpability there too.

Although there is still much room for improvement, leaving children in the presence and care of a priest is statistically the safest place they can be.

Peace be with you.

20 posted on 09/21/2012 10:56:05 AM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Dr. Thorne

Brave boy and good, strong mom! Another one bites the dust.


21 posted on 09/21/2012 11:02:17 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: TSgt; Elendur
Very good. Thank you, TSgt. A quick and pertinent response.

Now, two questions:

"in the past 2 decades, the church rate, has been reduced to almost zero."

(1) Is this true?

And, if true:

Considering that, of the relatively small number of institutions in the USA which DO morally object to active homosexuality, these are two of the largest and most visible...

(2) Is there some legitimate point --- not justification of abuse, nor deflection of responsibility ---- but some legitimate point --- in questioning the litigation and media focus on the Catholic Church and the Boy Scouts in particular?

This is a thought question.

22 posted on 09/21/2012 11:17:15 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarification.)
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To: TSgt
A FReeper recently told me that the church had eliminated all cases of abuse and that abuse now only occurs in public schools.

No, we told you that you don't really care about sex abuse. You only care about using the issue to bash the Catholic Church. Sex abuse in any other context holds no interest for you--that much is blatantly obvious.
23 posted on 09/21/2012 11:24:37 AM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: W.Lee
I have read that there is a differance.

Not to long ago I got into an argument with a gal at my gym who tried to say the same thing. I simply asked her what is a male who enjoys sex with another male and then at what magic age of the victim does the pedophile then become a homosexual........

24 posted on 09/21/2012 11:30:12 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (')
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To: Mrs. Don-o; TSgt; Elendur
Very good. Thank you, TSgt. A quick and pertinent response.

But inaccurate.

TSgt: A FReeper recently told me that the church had eliminated all cases of abuse and that abuse now only occurs in public schools

What Freeper Elendur actually said: “in the past 2 decades, the church rate, has been reduced to almost zero.

Problem: Are the words "eliminated all cases" and "almost zero" synonymous?

Solution: Let x = the number of Catholic sex abuse cases. In the latter phrase, x > 0. In the former phrase, x = 0.

An excellent example of a Freeper who is both mathematically and linguistically challenged.

25 posted on 09/21/2012 12:44:26 PM PDT by marshmallow (.)
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To: marshmallow; TSgt; Elendur
You're right. I did let that exaggerated misquote on the part of TSgt slide. Why? Because I wanted to get quickly to the point: why exactly are the litigators and the media focused in on the very institutions which most publically reject homosexual practice per se?

Applying the universal hermeneutic clue "Cui bono?" I get this interesting hypothesis: they want to morally discredit the institutions which present a public moral objections to the gay political/social "new normal" movement..

Easy prediction: next up will be the LDS.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2914846/posts?page=9#9

26 posted on 09/21/2012 1:02:25 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Dr. Thorne

Elevating a sinful human to an alter Christus put the RC’s in this dreadful position.

So sad for the children who’s parents have subjected their children to this (throughout the ages) to this man made theology. :(


27 posted on 09/21/2012 1:10:21 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: bonfire
But we're all, because of the life of grace, alter Christus. Rightly understood, this isn't some wacky Catholic invention--- unless, of course, you want to consider the New Testament a wacky Catholic invention.

Paul said, "I live"--- yet It is not "I" that lives but Christ lives in me (Galatians 2:20).

29 posted on 09/21/2012 1:34:30 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Please, RC’s put their priests on a level on par with Christ that other Christians do not. There is no arguing that.

Once you elevate a sinful human to another Christ/god, you end up with abuse of power over misguided believers.

No different than Jim Jones, IMO.


30 posted on 09/21/2012 1:44:32 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: bonfire
You are quite mistaken.

The Catholic Church has never taught, and no catechised Catholic believes, that priests are sinless or on a par with God. Catholics do believe that holiness --- which is to live in the grace of God -- is the vocation of all he faithful, clergy and laity.

If you are able to locate anything contradicting this, I would like the link. Find, if you can, a Catholic who idolizes priests, I will explain the matter to them.

31 posted on 09/21/2012 2:12:00 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Because I wanted to get quickly to the point: why exactly are the litigators and the media focused in on the very institutions which most publically reject homosexual practice per se?

A most worthy subject for serious, disinterested discussion amongst honest, concerned adults who truly care about this subject.

Sadly however, in this forum and on this thread in particular, you're doing the equivalent of wearing a formal ball gown to a mud-wrestling match.

32 posted on 09/21/2012 2:20:43 PM PDT by marshmallow (.)
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To: bonfire
Elevating a sinful human to an alter Christus put the RC’s in this dreadful position.

You no doubt then characterize Scripture as "dreadful" due to its teaching that all Christians are called to be alter Christus.

33 posted on 09/21/2012 2:22:01 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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As an alter Christus, the priest is profoundly united to the Word of the Father who, in becoming incarnate took the form of a servant, he became a servant (Phil 2: 5-11). The priest is a servant of Christ, in the sense that his existence, configured to Christ ontologically, acquires an essentially relational character: he is in Christ, for Christ and with Christ, at the service of humankind. Because he belongs to Christ, the priest is radically at the service of all people: he is the minister of their salvation, their happiness and their authentic liberation, developing, in this gradual assumption of Christ’s will, in prayer, in “being heart to heart” with him. Therefore this is the indispensable condition for every proclamation, which entails participation in the sacramental offering of the Eucharist and docile obedience to the Church.” - Pope Benedict XVI 24 June 2009


34 posted on 09/21/2012 2:37:35 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Good catch.


35 posted on 09/21/2012 2:38:03 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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To: marshmallow; Mrs. Don-o

Nonetheless, it is a verifiable fact that people who think there is absolutely nothing wrong with intergenerational same-sex intimacy ... who think it’s “hateful” even to express disapproval ... are the leaders of the legal assault on both the Catholic Church and the Boy Scouts of America.

In my opinion, both the Church and the Boy Scouts need to “double down” on their condemnation of homosexual *behavior*, by any person of any age at any time. I’ve noticed that the Boy Scouts are now being hit about excluding “gay” boys, rather than “gay” leaders ... but what makes a boy “gay” other than pursuing sodomitic behavior with other males? The “new frontier” in “abuse” lawsuits is going to be the 13-year-old who was buggered by a 15-year-old ... while the culture and the “establishment” institutions promote this behavior nonstop.


36 posted on 09/21/2012 2:54:19 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("In the kingdom of the blind, sight is a crime and mentioning what you see is a gaffe.")
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To: bonfire
It's an excellent quote, bonfire. Theme sentence: "The priest is a servant of Christ." There is nothing in this quote about a priest being sinless, or being equal to God. In fact, if you did a "find and replace" and replaced "the priest" with "the Christian," you would still have a very edifying and Pauline statement. Try it. You --- may --- like it.

Getting the right balance --- understanding what are the sacramental graces, and what is the "earthen vessel," --- is ofter very, very difficult.

One flagrant and painful recent example was the shameful case of Fr. Marcial Maciel and the orders he founded, the Legionnaires of Christ and the lay association, Regnum Christi. Marcial Maciel was a habitual sexual offender, covering up his corruption with a veneer of piety and "good works". Many good and honest people --- like, sadly, Pope John Paul II --- just couldn't wrap their heads around the possibility that he was a hellbent pervert, and pulling others into his orbit of moral destruction.

Pope John Paul should have seen that Maciel was majorly into luxury, lechery and sodomy, but of course, that's just what you don't see when --as is so often the case --- the abuser is also a sociopathic liar. JP2's problem was maybe that, as a priest in Poland for so many years under the bootheel of Nazi and Communist regimes, he had seen so many good priests doing saintly work in the milieu of heroic resistance, and had witnessed so many dictators' characer-assasination campaigns against good clergy ("priests molest boys" was the standard slander, like "Jews poison wells") --- that he too often assumed the priests were good, and the bearers of filthy tales were the enemies of Christ.

It's a dangerous fault. And the opposite fault is equally dangerous: the cynicism, callousness, and reflexive detraction that assumes "so-called moral conservatives are closet pervs" and "guilty until proven Innocent".

37 posted on 09/21/2012 3:36:26 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my All.)
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To: Tax-chick; marshmallow
Exactly right, TC. I see where the so-called "gay Christians" are now saying that the centurion's "pais" whom Jesus cured (we just had this in the daily readings in Luke) was ... well, "pais" (Greek) could be child, boy, servant, so the gay "scholars" are saying he was a catamite, i.e. a youth used for sex. And therefore, Christ was telling the centurion that servile pederasty was A-OK with Him.

My fingers feel dirty for having typed this.

But this is the next thing in line, the sex-and-gender-progressive "next big thing," which is that pederasty was a noble aspect of Greek and Roman civilization, Christ saw nothing to condemn about it, and it only stands to reason that if you like masculine beauty, you'll like 'em young. It's mentoring, you know.

:o/

Where's the brillo pad. I need a scrub.

38 posted on 09/21/2012 3:53:31 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my All.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
OMG, blarg and dreck, I never thought about the centurion and the doulos who was "dear to him" or "valuable to him" as being in a sexual way until ... just this minute. YUCK!

Surely not .. the centurion "loved the nation" of Israel. He built them their synagogue in the community. Jesus, who knew everything about everyone, would not have presented him as an exemplar of faith if he were a pederast ... even though He would have healed the servant for the servant's sake.

39 posted on 09/21/2012 5:01:05 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("In the kingdom of the blind, sight is a crime and mentioning what you see is a gaffe.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I agree that Pope John Paul was affected by the culture in which accusations of homosexuality were the standard for taking down any celibate. I was talking with a couple of our other homeschool mothers just the other day (30 children between the 3 of us) and we agreed that once a culture rejects covenant marriage based on procreation, there is no moral line to be drawn short of physical force-rape. I’ve proposed this idea on FR, and nobody has given a counter-argument.

One of the ladies has a son in the Legionaries of Christ and is involved in Regnum Cristo (sp?). It’s unfortunate that good people have to deal with a crazy like Maciel, and it’s hard ... impossible ... to sort out the good fruits from the bad tree. I see something similar in the ongoing controversy over Medjugorie: was there a legitimate apparition? What about the visionaries? What about the spiritual fruits that people have experienced for decades?


40 posted on 09/21/2012 5:16:52 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("In the kingdom of the blind, sight is a crime and mentioning what you see is a gaffe.")
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To: marshmallow

It’s typical to see FRoman Catholics go to the end of the earth to protect pedophiles.


42 posted on 09/21/2012 5:41:50 PM PDT by TSgt (The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times, is because it is impossible to have two in.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; marshmallow; Elendur
Don't blame the Catholic church, everyone rapes children!

What a morally bankrupt excuse but what does one expect from the conclave of Pedophiles?


43 posted on 09/21/2012 5:44:49 PM PDT by TSgt (The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times, is because it is impossible to have two in.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham; Religion Moderator

1. Why do you keep associating me with this FReeper?

2. Why do you focus on attacking me instead of those who sexually abuse children?


44 posted on 09/21/2012 5:46:27 PM PDT by TSgt (The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times, is because it is impossible to have two in.)
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To: TSgt

Twist and shout. Sadly, while they twist their children are in harm’s way.


45 posted on 09/21/2012 6:13:52 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: Tax-chick
Medjugorje is a tough one. (No, I don't want to get into a big controversy about it.) But the Bishops never, none of them, at any point in the ongoing investigation, ever affirmed it as of superntural origin; the Franciscans' role has been dicey...

It reminds me of the controversy in Thomas More's time about the Holy Maid of Kent. It seems she confessed to being a fraud (although how would we know? All the info about her confession is from Thomas Cromwell and Henry VIII's henchmen). She did speak the truth that Henry's divorce of Queen Catherine and marriage to Anne Boleyn was a sin. Some of her prophecies turned out true; some not.

46 posted on 09/21/2012 6:19:22 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my All.)
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To: TSgt
Oh geez, a picture of Cardinal Law.

Here, for your information.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2877180/posts?page=23#23.

Or for any lurkers who are looking for information, and not calumny.

Good night, I'm done.

47 posted on 09/21/2012 6:29:29 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my All.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Then why did he apologize?

Why did nearly 60 priests petition him to resign?

He and Benedict are pedophile protectors of the highest order.

Cardinal Law Offers More Apologies
http://www.beliefnet.com/News/2002/12/Cardinal-Law-Offers-More-Apologies.aspx


48 posted on 09/21/2012 6:38:13 PM PDT by TSgt (The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times, is because it is impossible to have two in.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Do not bring arguments from previous threads.

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

50 posted on 09/21/2012 8:28:02 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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