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Mormons Want to Excommunicate Romney Critic
The Daily Beast ^ | September 21, 2012 | Jamie Reno

Posted on 09/21/2012 1:10:53 PM PDT by Zakeet

After writing negative articles about the Republican candidate, the managing editor of MormonThink.com says he faces excommunication. Is the Church on a witch hunt?

David Twede, 47, a scientist, novelist, and fifth-generation Mormon, is managing editor of MormonThink.com, an online magazine produced largely by members of the Mormon Church that welcomes scholarly debate about the religion’s history from both critics and true believers.

A Mormon in good standing, Twede has never been disciplined by Latter Day Saints leadership. But it now appears his days as a Mormon may be numbered because of a series of articles he wrote this past week that were critical of Mitt Romney.

On Sunday, Twede says his bishop, stake president, and two church executives brought him into Florida Mormon church offices in Orlando and interrogated him for nearly an hour about his writings, telling him, "Cease and desist, Brother Twede."

Mormon leaders have scheduled an excommunication "for apostasy" on Sept. 30. A spokesman for the church told The Daily Beast that the church would not be commenting for this story.

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In his role as managing editor of MormonThink, Twede wrote an article about Romney last month titled “The God of Mitt Romney: Why Do Some Claim He’s Not Christian?

Then last week he posted several stories about the political history of LDS and how the church may or may not influence Romney, as well as a few blog posts that were tongue-in-cheek takes on the church. And that was apparently all it took for church leaders to intervene.

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Any member who speaks the truth about either Bishop Romney or my church is an apostate ... and they will be cast into the outer darkness as a son of perdition ... and they will be denied his celestial kingdom and their harem of goddess wives ... and if you don't like it, you can lump it!

1 posted on 09/21/2012 1:10:55 PM PDT by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

Yet Harry Reid is OK?


2 posted on 09/21/2012 1:19:17 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: Zakeet

ha! I thought Harry Reid for about a minute. Ah well...


3 posted on 09/21/2012 1:19:20 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Zakeet

If they do that, that’s one joke of a Church.


4 posted on 09/21/2012 1:20:02 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: aimhigh

Harry Reid is a temple worthy mormon.
Only about 15% of all lds reach that high level of adulation.
Harry Reid was given an award in 2008 or 2009, from BYU as an example of what a good mormon should be.
Romney is a bishop in lds, and highly valued within the corporation since his birth, you do not talk trash about him.
Apparently, now if you do, the current twelve will cast you into their lds hell if you dare.


5 posted on 09/21/2012 1:23:24 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Zakeet

Very interesting and reveling article Zak.


6 posted on 09/21/2012 1:24:20 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Zakeet
If they want to excommunicate the guy I guess it's none of my business. It is their religion after all. They made it up, they can do what they want.

But really, how smart is it to give the mainstream press and the Obama administration this kind of ammunition so close to the election?

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7 posted on 09/21/2012 1:27:52 PM PDT by newheart (At what point does policy become treason?)
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To: Zakeet
I thought we hated mormons.

Why do we care what one mormon does to another?

8 posted on 09/21/2012 1:30:10 PM PDT by Tula Git
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To: Tula Git

Who hates mormons?
I have never seen one post on FR, where some said or implied that mormons were hated.


9 posted on 09/21/2012 1:32:46 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: svcw

Only 15%? I know some folks who are “Temple worthy”. If they can get in, anybody should be able to get in.


10 posted on 09/21/2012 1:37:27 PM PDT by Terry Mross (The Clintons seem to be very afraid of obama. Do they owe him their souls?)
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To: newheart
If they want to excommunicate the guy I guess it's none of my business. It is their religion after all. They made it up, they can do what they want.

Snort!

11 posted on 09/21/2012 1:39:49 PM PDT by colorcountry (The gospel will transform our politics, not vice versa (Romans 12:1,2))
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To: svcw
Who hates mormons? I have never seen one post on FR, where some said or implied that mormons were hated.

Heh...right.

12 posted on 09/21/2012 1:42:46 PM PDT by Tula Git
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To: Zakeet

Wow. You think Romney isn’t conservative enough and WHAM you are out, but Harry Reid is fine??


13 posted on 09/21/2012 1:42:54 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: svcw

If Harry Reid is an example of a good mormon then that church has too many issues to be taken seriously


14 posted on 09/21/2012 1:46:59 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Tula Git; svcw
Heh...right.

I feel your love

15 posted on 09/21/2012 1:48:33 PM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: jimt; Colofornian; Elsie

I’ve seen plenty of their posts. Where did they ever say or imply that they hated Mormons?

In fact, some of the “Flying Inmen”, as they are known, are ex-Mormons who surely have relatives who are still Mormons. So, do you really believe they hate their own family members?


17 posted on 09/21/2012 2:07:10 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Tula Git

Where have you been Tula Git. Dang, you signed up in 2004 and haven’t posted here since 2005. What would you know about FreeRepublic, really?

Let me guess, you just read the articles .... or ‘life happens?’


18 posted on 09/21/2012 2:09:39 PM PDT by colorcountry (The gospel will transform our politics, not vice versa (Romans 12:1,2))
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To: Zakeet
David Twede, 47, a scientist, novelist, and fifth-generation Mormon, is managing editor of MormonThink.com, an online magazine produced largely by members of the Mormon Church that welcomes scholarly debate about the religion’s history from both critics and true believers. A Mormon in good standing, Twede has never been disciplined by Latter Day Saints leadership. But it now appears his days as a Mormon may be numbered because of a series of articles he wrote this past week that were critical of Mitt Romney.

On Sunday, Twede says his bishop, stake president, and two church executives brought him into Florida Mormon church offices in Orlando and interrogated him for nearly an hour about his writings, telling him, "Cease and desist, Brother Twede." Mormon leaders have scheduled an excommunication "for apostasy" on Sept. 30. A spokesman for the church told The Daily Beast that the church would not be commenting for this story.

Anyone know which Commandment/Article of Faith that he broke?

19 posted on 09/21/2012 2:12:58 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Terry Mross

That 15% figure comes from SLC lds.


20 posted on 09/21/2012 2:22:24 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Tula Git
Show me. Are you confusing mormons with mormonISM.
21 posted on 09/21/2012 2:23:52 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: aimhigh

“Yet Harry Reid is OK?”

Being critical of Dingy Hairy is just as bad as being critical of Myth Romney.

It’s a power thing in that “church” — they want it, however.

Romney sucks terribly to the point I can’t vote for him, no matter how bad Obama is.


22 posted on 09/21/2012 2:24:56 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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To: jimt
Yes, you will have to show me what this 'hate' you are talking about.

I really think you are confusing mormons and mormonISM.

23 posted on 09/21/2012 2:28:45 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Boogieman; jimt; Colofornian; Elsie
I’ve seen plenty of their posts. Where did they ever say or imply that they hated Mormons?

The phrase 'hate' is an emotional word play to try to delegitimize their presentation.

24 posted on 09/21/2012 2:43:06 PM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Alex Murphy

I am guessing maybe 12 or 13:
(information found on lds.org)

The Articles of Faith
of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.

2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.

3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.

4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.

5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.

6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.

7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.

8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.

9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.

10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.

11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.

12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith


25 posted on 09/21/2012 2:43:30 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Alex Murphy
Anyone know which Commandment/Article of Faith that he broke?

Besides an anti-romney article, Mormonthink.com presents some pretty condemning information to the inquirer and probably sought his last name for a while.

26 posted on 09/21/2012 2:44:51 PM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: colorcountry
Snort!

Well, somebody had to say it.

27 posted on 09/21/2012 2:54:38 PM PDT by newheart (At what point does policy become treason?)
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To: Godzilla; jimt

Yes, that’s my usual thought when someone throws the word out there cavalierly without bothering to back it up.


28 posted on 09/21/2012 2:56:34 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: jimt
There are others, but these folks are preeminent in my mind.

WHAT??!!??

I'm only placed THIRD on YOUR hate list?

I'll have to try harder!

29 posted on 09/21/2012 4:11:18 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: svcw
I have never seen one post on FR, where some said or implied that mormons were hated.

Our FR MORMONs know this; they just hope that NEW folks reading their accusatiuons will believe them without checking.

30 posted on 09/21/2012 4:12:13 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Alex Murphy
Anyone know which Commandment/Article of Faith that he broke?

It simply looks like a Strengthening Church Members Committee action to me.

The current SCMC was formed in 1985 under the leadership of President Ezra Taft Benson.

When its existence was revealed at a Sunstone Symposium and a couple of expose articles in the Salt Lake Tribune in 1992, the First Presidency justified excommunicating members for apostasy for being being critical of local and general leaders of the church in their writings, based on an 1839 letter by Joseph Smith directing church leaders to establish such a committee.

The excommunications are handled as local matters.

It's the LDS Church and the LDS Church rules; the LDS Church gets to make them, Twede knew them, and LDS members have a right to believe them. That's one reason Twede was publishing using a pseudonym. I don't think he has grounds to complain.

31 posted on 09/21/2012 4:25:14 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Zakeet

Sharia Law, Mormon Style


32 posted on 09/21/2012 4:25:29 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Elsie

Oh, man a really good point, that would then make sense since not one accusation is ever presented with a link or direct quotes of “hate”.
One poster mentioned that many of the people exposing mormonism were former mormons and have mormon family members, although I was never I mormon, I do have a huge branch of my family who are mormon.
My hope is that through exposure of mormonism, they will be able to escape mormonism.
We do not hate mormons, if we did hate them we would not care about their eternal state.


33 posted on 09/21/2012 4:27:28 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: newheart

Obama is a Mormon...

If you think Mormonism is a credible, valid,genuine religion , you have to accept that even Willard believes Obama is a Mormon also, probably higher and more a Mormon than Willard himnself...

Strange but true...

In June, 2008 in at least one or more of their Mormon temples built for this reason, the Mormons dead dunked Stanley Ann Dunham, gave her a temple marriage to her polygamist lover, Barak Obama Senior,m the father of Preseident Barak Obama Junior...

The Mormoins then did all the endowments that Mormonism can do for Stan Ann...making her, an aytheist in life now a full forever Mormon in death...one of the 15% temple Mormons..

The Mormons then “sealed” herr to her children, Barak Junior and hi9s younger sister...thus making them full Mormons too...

along with Hitler, many 100’s of his Jew Holocaust vistims, the 56 Founding Fathers and whomever name the Mormons can get, including several of my ancestors and me as a sealed descendant...

Although the Jews have been upset with the Mormons for decades for the afrontery and bigoted eligious discrimination and downright ugliness of this Mormon practice, the Mormons can no morfe “excommunicare” those Jewish victims than they can Stanley Ann, nor reverse the prosedd...there is no Mormoin doctrine to do so...

So forever my ancestors and me, Hitler and his Jewish victims and Stanley An and her famous son, Barak Obama are MORMONS...

Whether Willard and and the rest of the Mormon leaders like it or not...

Willard often “reaffirms” and “sustains” his beliefg in his chosen religion, Mormonism...

THis is a major part of that belief...

Willard himself as a teenager, and maybe since, hes stood in proxy and been deadunked (full submersion so called baptism) in the place of dead people he never heard of and who probaly died as contented Christians and lioke my ancestors who not have darkened the door of as pagan temple...

and so little grasshopper, we already have a Mormon president...

How is that working out for you ???


34 posted on 09/21/2012 4:46:03 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana
If you think Mormonism is a credible, valid,genuine religion ,

Mormonism most certainly is a religion. But then religion (even under the guise of Christianity) does not qualify one for eternal life. Only one thing does that, which is why you won't find any Mormons in heaven. Or Muslims. Or Baptists. Or Presbyterians. Or...(insert your own denomination here).

[Isn't it possible that obsessive, hostile Mormon-bashing might make Mormons a little less receptive to hearing the Gospel? Just sayin'.]

35 posted on 09/21/2012 5:08:38 PM PDT by newheart (At what point does policy become treason?)
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To: Tennessee Nana

If you do a little searching on the lds site (think its called familysearch), mormonism has also “baptized” Jesus and His wives (death listed as unknown), as well as (and this one really makes me laugh) God Almighty. (yep, that’s how He is listed)


36 posted on 09/21/2012 5:10:01 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: newheart

You appear to be confusing mormon with exposure of mormonISM.
Exposing mormonism is not hate and it is not bashing, it is just exposure.


37 posted on 09/21/2012 5:14:16 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: svcw
Exposing mormonism is not hate and it is not bashing, it is just exposure.

I completely agree with you. On the other hand, that is a line is crossed regularly and I suspect it is unfruitful.

38 posted on 09/21/2012 5:21:56 PM PDT by newheart (At what point does policy become treason?)
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To: svcw

Yes Ive found them...

I used to be about to access the pages that listed all the so called “temple work” that was “done” for dead people...

I found Stan Ann and Jesus and my ancestors...

but was it January 2009 or 2010 tha the Mormons denied access to those pages to anyone not Mormon with the right codes...

No more Freedon of Information...

No more o9penness about the rituals of the religion Mormonism...

After the temple work for Stanley Ann Dunham was exposed and the Mormon leaders in SLC looked stupid, because now we had a Mormon president who happened to be black, that access was closed to whomever might be interested...

However I haver a printout given to me by a researcher in a Mormon familysearch library hat clearly states my ancestor was B, E, S...

and the page instructs that the letters stand for Baptism, Endowments, Sealed...

(80 years after he died a “Connexion Methodist” he became a temple worthy Mormon)

That 3rd great grandfather died in 1881...

In 1956 he was dead dunked, given all the endowments and “sealed” to all his descendants including the current living ones...

I just happened to already be here...

Thus I am a Mormon, if you believe that way...

Hes not the only one of my ancestors who was dead dunked...


39 posted on 09/21/2012 5:24:26 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: newheart

“[Isn’t it possible that obsessive, hostile Mormon-bashing might make Mormons a little less receptive to hearing the Gospel? Just sayin’.]”


If Mormonism doesn’t get bashed, how do you suppose the Mormon is going to wake up from it? They believe they have the only true Gospel, and they even have 6 different definitions for the word ‘saved’ which is specifically designed by the devil to make them as utterly distance from the Gospel as possible.

Mormonism is such an absurd religion that even the slightest historical research disproves it. What’s gripping them is an unwillingness to look beyond their “faith promoting” LDS histories. I suspect the Islamics are the same way with their plagiarized and absurd Koran dictated by their pedophile.


40 posted on 09/21/2012 6:03:08 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: jimt
Accusing another Freeper of hate is "making it personal" - it is mind reading.

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

41 posted on 09/21/2012 8:25:10 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: newheart; svcw
I completely agree with you. On the other hand, that is a line is crossed regularly and I suspect it is unfruitful.

Can you point to any examples or proof of your charge, or is this just another baseless accusation?

Furthermore, if just one soul is plucked from Hell by being warned away from the false religion of Mormonism and being brought to God as a result ( a result, BTW, that a few freepers have admitted to personally here on FreeRepublic), than I believe that God himself is pleased with this effort.
42 posted on 09/21/2012 8:39:34 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: SoConPubbie; newheart; svcw
Furthermore, if just one soul is plucked from Hell by being warned away from the false religion of Mormonism and being brought to God as a result ( a result, BTW, that a few freepers have admitted to personally here on FreeRepublic), than I believe that God himself is pleased with this effort.

BTW, it was exactly somebody getting in the face of one of the freepers who has walked away from Mormonism, that got that Freeper so upset that in an attempt to prove the other Freeper wrong, found out how wrong Mormonism was.

We humans are so stubborn, so hard-headed, that sometimes it takes a rhetorical slap upside the head before God can begin to talk to us about our lost state and our need of him

This was EXACTLY my history.
43 posted on 09/21/2012 8:43:41 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: SoConPubbie

I always wonder about people who really seem to beleive that Christian should be meek, apparently they don’t remember John the Baptist calling the wife of the leader of the country a whore while standing at the castle gates, or when Paul preached people rioted. The apostles where not meek, they were bold and they called out the truth of God Almighty and never backed down.
Does that mean everyone is bold and outspoken, no, we all have our own talents, some are meant to be soft spoken and some are meant to be loud.


44 posted on 09/21/2012 9:59:58 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Tula Git
Heh...right.

Just WHY would ANYONE hate MORMONs?



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

45 posted on 09/22/2012 4:01:20 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Alex Murphy
Anyone know which Commandment/Article of Faith that he broke?

The one that covers exposing of facts that makes the CHURCH look bad.

46 posted on 09/22/2012 4:03:11 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Godzilla
The phrase 'hate' is an emotional word play to try to delegitimize their presentation.

And, to waste their time trying to defend themselves.

I no longer beat my wife; so I never respond to the question that occasionally pops up about it.

47 posted on 09/22/2012 4:05:00 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: svcw

6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.

7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.

 

...and SO forth?

What kind of precise langauage is THAT??


48 posted on 09/22/2012 4:08:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: svcw
Here is MORMONism's own creed:

The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor,
in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.

THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541


49 posted on 09/22/2012 4:10:20 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Scoutmaster
The current SCMC was formed in 1985 under the leadership of President Ezra Taft Benson.

And quite a swell fellow was he...


Ezra Taft Benson


Ezra Taft Benson (August 4, 1899 – May 30, 1994) was the thirteenth president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) from 1985 until his death and was United States Secretary of Agriculture for both terms of the presidency of Dwight D. Eisenhower.
 

In 1953, Benson was appointed U.S. Secretary of Agriculture by President Eisenhower. Benson accepted this position with the permission of Church President David O. McKay and therefore served simultaneously in the United States Cabinet and in the LDS Church's Quorum of the Twelve Apostles.
 
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezra_Taft_Benson

50 posted on 09/22/2012 4:12:23 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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