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Top ELCA Leader Confirms Homosexual Marriages Allowed in Denomination
Exposing the ELCA ^ | 9/21/12 | Dan Skogen

Posted on 09/22/2012 2:58:56 AM PDT by rhema

The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America officially allows homosexual marriages, so says the “number two man” in the denomination, David Swartling. At the 2012 Southwestern Washington Synod Assembly it has been reported that, “(I)n response to a query from the floor of the assembly, Secretary of the ELCA David Swartling, at the assembly as the representative of the national church, said that the marriage of same-gender couples in states where that was legal was neither endorsed nor precluded by ELCA policy. Marriage in those circumstances was at the discretion of pastors and congregations.” (read here)

One of the duties of the Secretary of the ELCA is to “prepare interpretations, as necessary, of the Constitutions, Bylaws, and Continuing Resolutions of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America.” (read here) So the Secretary of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, David Swartling, is the highest authority in the ELCA when it come to interpreting ELCA policy. He says the ELCA allows the performing of homosexual marriages.

An Executive Director of a gay rights advocacy organization responded to Secretary Swartling's statement this way, “The clarification by Secretary of the ELCA Swartling is a benchmark of the position that ELCA policy takes nationally on the subject of pastors and congregations marrying same-gender couples where that is legal." (see here) What the Executive Director says is true. There should be no doubt that this is the ELCA's official stance. Do not allow anyone to tell you otherwise.

The media even confirms this. The Santa Fe New Mexican news site reported, in an article this summer, “Today, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America allows ordination of clergy in same-sex relationships. Blessings of same-sex marriages — and marriages in states where they are legally permitted — are performed.” (read here)

This is important information because people continue to be given conflicting messages about the ELCA's position on gay marriage. One reader shared with me his concern about leaders trying to lessen or diminish the impact of the ELCA’s 2009 actions, stating, “ . . . ELCA bishops continue to tell congregations that the ELCA has not approved gay marriage taking place in its congregations.”

Do not be fooled. ELCA policy allows gay marriages in states where it is legal.


TOPICS: Apologetics; General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: elca; hanson; homosexualagenda; lutheran; moralabsolutes; religiousleft; samesexmarriage; swartling

1 posted on 09/22/2012 2:59:03 AM PDT by rhema
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To: lightman; SmithL; Honorary Serb

The Ichabod Lutheran Church in America can’t keep its congregant-mollifying propaganda consistent.


2 posted on 09/22/2012 3:00:38 AM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: rhema

Homo “marriage” is “neither endorsed nor precluded by ELCA policy.”

I guess that Biblical morality thing doesn`t come into play here, does it?


3 posted on 09/22/2012 3:15:36 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Record high turnout is our hope for sending 0bama home. Pray hard!!!)
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To: ScottinVA

Biblical morality, you say? The ELCA officially voted it to be outmoded and irrelevant in 2009.


4 posted on 09/22/2012 3:39:57 AM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: rhema

“Number two man”? Nah. Too easy.


5 posted on 09/22/2012 3:49:51 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne (Democrats - The Treasonous Pervert Party)
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To: lightman; SmithL; Honorary Serb
And speaking of moribund world-appeasing churches, now that we're 9 months into 2012, when do we suppose the ELCA will release its membership losses for 2011? Was the position of member tallier eliminated in the latest round of budget cuts?
6 posted on 09/22/2012 3:53:14 AM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: rhema

Revelation 22:15- anyone who practices sexual immorality will be denied entry to the Holy City, a metaphor for not qualifying for eternal life.

Any person who asks God to bless a union that He says is sin is taking God’s name in vain.


7 posted on 09/22/2012 4:27:59 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: aberaussie; Aeronaut; aliquando; AlternateViewpoint; AnalogReigns; Archie Bunker on steroids; ...


Lutheran (EL C S*A) Ping!

* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.

Be rooted in Christ!

8 posted on 09/22/2012 5:37:24 AM PDT by lightman (Settling for the "lesser of two..." is still choosing Evil)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks rhema.


9 posted on 09/22/2012 5:59:09 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Charles Henrickson

Cuing up the E.L.C.A. song!


10 posted on 09/22/2012 6:07:50 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Beware the Rip in the Space/Time Continuum)
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To: rhema

Which is one of the reasons i no longer attend an ELCA church.


11 posted on 09/22/2012 6:18:19 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: rhema

“Blessings of same-sex marriages — and marriages in states where they are legally permitted — are performed.”

Why would anyone belong to a group that wouldn’t perform a marriage unless the state gave its permission? They are so beholden to the state to define the institution they are not going to marry members of their faith over it, even though they believe ‘gay marriage’ is possible?! That might be more insane than buying into ‘gay marriage’ in the first place. “Sorry Ted and Ned, but the state says no, and they define marriage for us state by state, so no marriage for you even though we believe gay marriage is possible, tough luck!” Just bizarre.

I mean what if the state quit issuing marriage licenses to them altogether, no more married members of the ECLA?

Freegards


12 posted on 09/22/2012 6:35:16 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: ThunderSleeps

Same here. Twenty years ago we saw it coming.


13 posted on 09/22/2012 6:41:31 AM PDT by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: Ransomed

Because “same sex marriage” is not a natural or inalienable right but a “government given right” and they know it. Why else would the homosexualist left be so hell-bent on enforcing this issue on everyone via the force of the state?


14 posted on 09/22/2012 7:19:06 AM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: rhema

I think the ELCA voted that out long beforehand when they denied that the Bible is the infallible word of God.


15 posted on 09/22/2012 7:20:50 AM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

Because “same sex marriage” is not a natural or inalienable right but a “government given right” and they know it.

Seems to me a faith can accept what what they want about who can be married despite what the state says about it, or how the state decides what definition it uses at any one time.

“Why else would the homosexualist left be so hell-bent on enforcing this issue on everyone via the force of the state?

Right, they need the state involved so they have a way to punish those who don’t buy into ‘gay marriage.’ But that doesn’t explain why a faith would only act on what they believe to be true if the state approves of it first, in my opinion.

Freegards


16 posted on 09/22/2012 7:54:27 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: rhema

No wonder he’s the “number two” man! LOL


17 posted on 09/22/2012 7:55:21 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Ransomed

“Seems to me a faith can accept what what they want about who can be married despite what the state says about it, or how the state decides what definition it uses at any one time.”

That’s because you’re using rational thought, something these ELCA libs abandoned long ago:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans%201:18-32&version=NKJV


18 posted on 09/22/2012 10:22:57 AM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

Yeah, there isn’t much rational thought going on with this issue for sure as concerns this bunch. It just seems weird that they are letting their homosexual members down in states that don’t have legal recognition of ‘gay marriage.’

Freegards


19 posted on 09/22/2012 11:04:59 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: rhema

Yep.. not in line with “contemporary thinking.”


20 posted on 09/22/2012 11:41:31 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Record high turnout is our hope for sending 0bama home. Pray hard!!!)
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To: outinyellowdogcountry
We left the ELCA 20 years ago and at that time the issue was more abortion than gay marriage. They've gone down hill alot in the last 20 years. What a travesty and they call themselves a church.

My fear is that where this all ends is with a church teaching that homosexuality and abortion are sins, they will be found guilty of "hate" speech and persecution and imprisonment of pastors, etc. will begin.

Mark my words, this comes next. We will be forced into underground "home churches".

21 posted on 09/22/2012 12:54:43 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: outinyellowdogcountry

When we left, the ELCA along with other liberal mainline churches were funding “Re-Imagining” workshops where feminist theology seemed to be the doctrine. They used milk and honey for communion because it represented women’s “essence”. Gay women theologians spoke, one said she had no need of a bloody savior, etc. etc. etc. Plus the sexuality issue was being “studied” and when it failed they sent it back to be studied more. Then the abortion issue of course. Home church was worried about the mother church not giving them a pastor so they wouldn’t let us keep our donations local. It was hard but a very good move for us. Sadly that church is withering with mostly older people, mother-in-law included. They have had some doozies for pastors too, maybe a good one here and there but not great. Before we left, there was a new very conservative pastor that knew what was going on and I remember asking him in SS if a church’s stand against homosexuality would ever be considered a hate crime. He said no but even then, I thought that one day it will be. If we go underground, it may cause the church to become more committed and grow as in China. Where do you go now? We have been members of a Bible church ever since. My husband wanted nothing to do with church hierarchy after that.


22 posted on 09/22/2012 5:51:39 PM PDT by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: PJ-Comix; rhema; lightman; Cletus.D.Yokel; bcsco
Cuing up the E.L.C.A. song!

Thanx for calling the request line, PJ! Click the music link and sing along!

E.L.C.A.
Tune: "Y.M.C.A."

"Luth'ran"
Doesn't mean quite the same
As what you've been
Taught to know by that name.
We're removin'
All the scandal and shame
Of a church that stands for something.

Luth'ran,
No, you're not misinformed,
Yes, it's true now,
We commune the Reformed.
No forced union
Made us bow or conform,
Just a warm and fuzzy feeling.

It's fun to be in the E.L.C.A.
It's fun to be in the E.L.C.A.
We have women in black,
Now there's no turning back
To the hang-ups of dead white guys.

It's fun to be in the E.L.C.A.
It's fun to be in the E.L.C.A.
You can set yourself free
From dead orthodoxy,
You can do whatever you please.

Luth'ran,
Won't you please come along
To the Elca,
Where's there's no right or wrong.
In the Elca,
Heretics can belong,
They can teach at seminary.

"Luth'ran,"
But our fingers were crossed,
All our doctrine
Has been totally lost.
All that's Luth'ran
Is what we have embossed
On our cards and stationery.

It's fun to be in the E.L.C.A.
It's fun to be in the E.L.C.A.
We have women in black,
Now there's no turning back
To the hang-ups of dead white guys.

It's fun to be in the E.L.C.A.
It's fun to be in the E.L.C.A.
You can set yourself free
From dead orthodoxy,
You can do whatever you please.

Elca,
Where it's very uncouth
And unwelcome
To say you have the truth
And where seldom
Is a word ever heard
To discourage sin or error.

Elca,
Where it's all shades of gray,
I said, Elca,
Where it's hip to be gay.
Our umbrella
Is as big as a tent,
There's no need for you to repent.

It's fun to be in the E.L.C.A.
It's fun to be in the E.L.C.A.
We have women in black,
Now there's no turning back
To the hang-ups of dead white guys.

It's fun to be in the E.L.C.A.
It's fun to be in the E.L.C.A.
You can set yourself free
From dead orthodoxy,
You can do whatever you please. . . .

23 posted on 09/22/2012 6:09:42 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (The wag tailoring the doggerel)
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