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As Occult, New Age Practices Increase, so Does Need for Exorcists
The National Catholic Register ^ | 9/24/12 | Elisabeth Deffner

Posted on 09/25/2012 6:42:30 AM PDT by marshmallow

Evil has not fallen out of fashion. Exorcism is a rite developed — and promulgated — to meet a need that still exists, due to more people delving into New Age and occult practices.

And, yes, satanic worshippers are a reality.

“They come in the church and steal the Blessed Sacrament to use in a ‘black mass,’” explained Father Gary Thomas, pastor of Sacred Heart Church in Saratoga, Calif., and the exorcist for the Diocese of San Jose.

He has alerted his fellow priests to this danger — and trained his extraordinary ministers of holy Communion so that they note whether people receiving Communion are actually consuming it, not simply transporting it elsewhere for obscene purposes.

Father Thomas, a priest for 28 years, has even addressed people who appear not to be consuming the Eucharist.

“If I don’t know them, I’ll say, ‘Excuse me, will you please finish consuming the body of Christ in my presence?’” he said.

Father Thomas — the subject of the book The Rite and the 2012 movie of the same name — was one of a half dozen exorcism experts to speak at the Southern California Renewal Communities’ Catholic Renewal Convention held Labor Day weekend in Anaheim, Calif.

In addition to the workshops on healing, the Holy Spirit and prayer, the convention offered two tracks called “Christ Triumphant,” which focused on exorcism and deliverance ministry — a general track and a pastoral track for clergy and lay ministers.

The day preceding the convention, organizers also hosted a “mini-conference” for 175 registered priests and three bishops featuring the expert speakers (among them four active exorcists and one retired exorcist).

Which begs the question: Is exorcism simply a hot topic — or has the need for the rite grown?

It’s certainly a popular subject. The Rite was...

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KEYWORDS: exorcism; newage; occult
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1 posted on 09/25/2012 6:42:32 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

You do not treat mental illness with holy water.


2 posted on 09/25/2012 6:43:49 AM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: Bon mots
Absolutely not, but you don't treat evil with anti psychotics either.
3 posted on 09/25/2012 6:50:13 AM PDT by tiki
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To: Bon mots

Read the article.


4 posted on 09/25/2012 6:53:50 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: marshmallow

You can’t play around with Satan because he don’t play.


5 posted on 09/25/2012 6:58:01 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: marshmallow

I saw a woman in her 60s take the host in her hand and did not see her put it in her math and chew it. She walked out of church right after receiving the host. This was last Sunday. I sit in the front, so I am always watching people treat the Eucharist nonchalantly.

I wouldn’t put it past someone to steal a host and mess around with it, though. A few years ago, when the California Science Center featured a display made of “plasticized” real human bodies, a couple of women walked in near closing time and stole the plasticized fetus on display. I think they probably used it for an evil ritual.


6 posted on 09/25/2012 7:09:37 AM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: Bon mots

No you don’t.

But according to liberal psychologist they have a pill to treat conservative’s paranoia.

I think I might through some Holy Water on her.


7 posted on 09/25/2012 7:09:37 AM PDT by EBH (0bama is guilty of willful neglect of duty.)
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Anyone who eats the bread and drinks from the cup,
if his spirit is not right with the Lord,
will be guilty as he eats and drinks.
He does not understand the meaning of the Lord’s body.
This is why some of you are sick and weak, and some have died.
(1 Corinthians 11:29)
8 posted on 09/25/2012 7:17:07 AM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: Bon mots

Correct, and that is why Exorcists go through a rigorous process to rule out mental illness before doing an exorcism. If the subject is fluently speaking foreign languages that they never learned, show enormous strength, poltergeist activity, levitation, etc., then it is probably not mental illness.


9 posted on 09/25/2012 7:37:55 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: married21
. . . a couple of women walked in near closing time and stole the plasticized fetus on display. I think they probably used it for an evil ritual.

Nah, they probably just wanted to make a really big King cake.

10 posted on 09/25/2012 7:39:30 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: sportutegrl
"Nah, they probably just wanted to make a really big King cake."

That has to be the funniest post today!

PS I grew up in Baton Rouge and lived for 4 years in New Orleans

11 posted on 09/25/2012 7:46:42 AM PDT by strongbow
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To: marshmallow

There’s plenty of evidence for God in the universe, but none whatsoever for Satan before he is abstracted from the human mind.

In other words, Satan is to be blamed for evil, but not the mind of Man himself.

How convenient.


12 posted on 09/25/2012 7:51:32 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug

I had a classmate in high school who fooled around with satan. He was reading the satanic books. He sacrificed cats to satan. He wound up killing several people. I braced him in the hall of our high school because I thought he was trying to scare my girl friend. I looked into his eyes. It wasn’t just a sick mind. It was evil and I am haunted to this day.


13 posted on 09/25/2012 8:01:24 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Bon mots
You do not treat mental illness with holy water.

no you don't and the Church knows that, but thanks for your input ;)

Father Thomas, for instance, works with a medical doctor, a clinical psychiatrist and a psychologist as he discerns whether a “client” is suffering from a demonic possession or from a mental or physical disorder
14 posted on 09/25/2012 8:09:50 AM PDT by battousai (Conservatives are racist? YES, I hate stupid white liberals.)
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To: marshmallow

15 posted on 09/25/2012 8:12:08 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: onedoug

Wrong...

The devil’s greatest trick was convincing people he didn’t exist.


16 posted on 09/25/2012 8:15:13 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: HerrBlucher
If the subject is fluently speaking foreign languages that they never learned, show enormous strength, poltergeist activity, levitation, etc., then it is probably not mental illness.

Since none of those things are possible, mental illness is all that's left as a diagnosis for the strange behavior.
17 posted on 09/25/2012 8:20:28 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: onedoug

—— There’s plenty of evidence for God in the universe, but none whatsoever for Satan before he is abstracted from the human mind. ——

If you don’t believe Jesus, you could perform an experiment with a ouija board, but I DON’T recommend it.


18 posted on 09/25/2012 8:29:59 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: ZX12R

—— Since none of those things are possible -——

How do you know?


19 posted on 09/25/2012 8:32:48 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
How do you know?

Because the sum total of my existence, experience and knowledge over the last 55 years, concludes it.

I wonder why you don't know the same?
20 posted on 09/25/2012 8:38:54 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: blueunicorn6

And you don’t brace one of satan’s helpers without paying a price. You can’t take on satan by yourself.


21 posted on 09/25/2012 8:41:22 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: onedoug
“but none whatsoever for Satan before he is abstracted from the human mind.”

Not abstract to a believer. The evidence is everywhere.
See post 13 for example.

22 posted on 09/25/2012 8:41:56 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Encourage all of your Democrat friends to get out and vote on November 7th, the stakes are high.)
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To: ZX12R

How do you know they are not possible?


23 posted on 09/25/2012 8:42:18 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: ZX12R

Read TO KILL AND KILL AGAIN, the paperback edition. Wayne Nance. I have seen evil. I pray that you don’t.


24 posted on 09/25/2012 9:08:21 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: ZX12R

—— I wonder why you don’t know the same? ——

I have eyewitness testimony from people I trust.

I have Jesus’ testimony.

I have experienced extra-natural (non-satanic) phenomena myself.

Preturnatural or supernatural phenomena cannot be dismissed a priori.

I have studied publicly viewable and testable phenomena that defy naturalistic explanation, like the Shroud of Turin, the tilma of Juan Diego, and the Eucharistic miracle of Lanciano.


25 posted on 09/25/2012 9:11:34 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: blueunicorn6
I have seen evil. I pray that you don’t.

If you are referring to supernatural evil, then I have no worries. Besides, there are plenty of mentally disturbed people to worry about, and they really exist.
26 posted on 09/25/2012 9:33:39 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: onedoug

The Bible is clear on this - Satan rules the earth. He is the prince of the air.

In the Lord’s prayer, this is addressed explicitly:

“Thy will be done
On Earth, as it is in Heaven.”

We pray that God’s will prevails on Earth, and not Satan’s.

The entire point of the second coming of Christ is to establish Christ’s Kingdom on Earth. Revelation makes it clear that it will go on for 1000 years, and then something else is going to happen, and I’m not sure what.

Satan is as real as the nose on your face. What we think is consciousness, what we can perceive with the five senses is a powerful bias to overcome in terms of understanding the realm of the spiritual.

Man has free will. What he does with that is something for which each will account. To say that because man is corrupt, which is true, doesn’t automatically preclude the possibility of Satan, and his demons, acting of their own accord.


27 posted on 09/25/2012 9:36:43 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: ZX12R

You may not believe in Satan, but I assure you he believes in you. I hope you live your entire life such that you never have cause to question your disbelief in the existence of an intelligent evil agency.

It doesn’t matter if you live through it either. There are worse things than death.


28 posted on 09/25/2012 9:42:25 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: ZX12R

You should not have gone there. Now you’re going to be deluged with requests to prove a negative. Never mind that EVERY single scientific inquiry into levitation et al has failed to produce even the slightest measurable effect.


29 posted on 09/25/2012 10:11:51 AM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: RinaseaofDs
Satan rules the earth. He is the prince of the air.

This seems like polytheism to me.

The Lord's Prayer is a Hebrew prayer for God's will to be done over Man's. It says nothing about Satan.

Jesus was a fine rabbi. And I don't think the United States could have been founded without Christianity. So in that sense, he was a messiah. Yet it seems to me too that he should have known about microbial contaminates in washing his hands before eating, (as he ostensibly knew about life after death) not that he would be obliged to express it and thus disrupt the flow of history. Though his continuation of the custom, rather than his flouting of it, would have been more in accord with what eventually became effective hygenic practice.

...doesn’t automatically preclude the possibility of Satan....

Again, I'd ask for one example of Satan's existence in the pre-human world.

30 posted on 09/25/2012 10:22:52 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Melas
Never mind that EVERY single scientific inquiry into levitation et al has failed to produce even the slightest measurable effect.

Unless, of course, that the person were supernaturally transmuted into a magnet, and the bedspread was transmuted into a low temp superconductor, and the mattress were transmuted into liquid nitrogen. Abracadabra...levitation. No evil spirits required.
31 posted on 09/25/2012 10:58:36 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: blueunicorn6

And you don’t brace one of satan’s helpers without paying a price. You can’t take on satan by yourself.

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And the price you paid was .... ? we’re all anonymous here, you can share.

Have you been able to look into others’ eyes to distinguish evil from mental illness? Seems you would be in great demand at psychiatric hospitals.


32 posted on 09/25/2012 11:06:25 AM PDT by dmz
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To: RinaseaofDs
You may not believe in Satan, but I assure you he believes in you.

You know, when ever I go and lurk at the Democratic Underground, I get the uncomfortable feeling that I am in the midst of unimaginable evil, if not Satan himself. Sometimes I think I am about to break out into a Tourette syndrome like outburst, when I consider posting there. It is a horrid place.
33 posted on 09/25/2012 11:06:36 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: marshmallow

Exorcise! Get in shape! Move that body! Lift that weight!

34 posted on 09/25/2012 11:10:58 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The American news media, the 'Pravda Press', is fully Soviet-ized.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; ZX12R
"Since none of those things are possible"

How do you know?

He was there, man. It didn't happen.

35 posted on 09/25/2012 11:14:01 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The American news media, the 'Pravda Press', is fully Soviet-ized.)
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To: marshmallow

It says in the bible, “through patience possess ye your souls”. People do not realize that it is through tiny irritations that grow to anger that is the main cause of demon possession and the fhu.com has a wonderful pathway to that patience for those that are willing...in the Be Still exercise.


36 posted on 09/25/2012 11:16:18 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: Lazamataz

Is that the devil’s bottle opener? I’ve heard rumors of its existence.


37 posted on 09/25/2012 11:21:45 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: ZX12R

No, it’s a hand weight.


38 posted on 09/25/2012 11:34:20 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The American news media, the 'Pravda Press', is fully Soviet-ized.)
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To: onedoug

“Again, I’d ask for one example of Satan’s existence in the pre-human world.”

It’s an interesting request. You want prehistorical evidence of Satan’s intervention in things. I don’t know if it is possible, but I can lend a perspective:

According to some of the apocryphal texts, Lucifer was an angel, not a god, or not God himself. Apparently even angels have free will, and they are capable of sin, because the beef Lucifer had was being asked to worship God’s creation - man. Until the creation of man, Lucifer wasn’t all that concerned with Earth.

He and a third of the angels in Heaven that saw things likewise were cast from Heaven to Earth.

I don’t know how much evidence exists, and the fact that I switched from Satan to Lucifer is important, because I frankly don’t know if they are the same entity.

Jesus said, that Satan was a liar, and a murderer from the begining. Now, ‘begining’ to Jesus may mean something completely different than what it means to a human being.

The Lord’s prayer continues, in that we pray that we are not led into temptation, and to deliver us from evil.

This was the prayer given to us directly by Christ. It frankly scares the crap out of me, because it buries the cosmic lead, which is to say it suggests we are in the middle of a conflict between titanic spiritual entities about which we understand little.

It jibes, for me, the metaphor uses for His faithful on earth - sheep; His flock.

From a timeline perspective, there were no witnesses to the Fall of Lucifer, or where upon the Earth he landed. There’s rumors about some definitive physical location, but your request is difficult to fulfill on purely logistical grounds. This is why we call it ‘faith’.


39 posted on 09/25/2012 12:45:14 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: dmz

Gosh, you’re funny. Maybe you can go to those graves in Missoula and tell them some of your jokes.


40 posted on 09/25/2012 3:05:31 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Lazamataz

Man, that’s funny. Would you hit it?


41 posted on 09/25/2012 3:07:31 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: ZX12R

Hop on your motorcycle. Go as fast as you can! You’re still getting old. Drive real fast past the graveyard.


42 posted on 09/25/2012 3:13:00 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: onedoug

“Though his continuation of the custom, rather than his flouting of it, would have been more in accord with what eventually became effective hygenic practice.”

You can’t be serious. Maybe I’m reading your post wrong. Jesus did not ‘flout’ hand washing for it’s sanitary purposes - He ‘flouted’ it because the pharisees misled themselves and others into believing that man-made traditions -such as the public washing of the hands - would bring salvation to the performer of said tradition. He was, in essence, flouting ‘religion’.

But surely you know this and I’m misinterpreting your post and wasting my valuable time typing this.


43 posted on 09/25/2012 4:40:41 PM PDT by dubyagee ("I can't complain, but sometimes I still do.")
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To: Lazamataz

Kettle bell from Hell?


44 posted on 09/25/2012 10:35:42 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep, the clowns will eat me)
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To: blueunicorn6
Hop on your motorcycle. Go as fast as you can! You’re still getting old. Drive real fast past the graveyard.

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45 posted on 09/26/2012 5:03:56 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

exactly, that is his triumph. i recall hearing that in a sermon delivered when i was in elementary school, right around when the movie the Exorcist came out.


46 posted on 09/26/2012 5:08:01 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: ZX12R

Despair is the word that comes to mind for me. I can’t imagine living that way.


47 posted on 09/26/2012 9:33:47 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: blueunicorn6

What makes you think I was trying to be funny?

I’m sorry, even though I don’t know you, I don’t believe that you have the ability to discern evil from mental illness merely by looking into one’s eyes. Either now or even especially when you were a high school student.

I just buried my mother a few months back, who suffered from bipolar disorder for pretty much the last 20 years of her life. In and out of psychiatric facilities when she would go off of her meds. I have experience in mental illness where I wish I had none. And the notion that a high schooler is somehow able to diagnose/discern these disorders and determine mental illness from evil with little but a religious upbringing is a tad on the offensive side.

So you got sarcasmed.


48 posted on 09/26/2012 9:38:32 AM PDT by dmz
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To: RinaseaofDs

I appreciate your perspective. It’s well reasoned in terms of exegesis.

In terms of science - which I believe goes hand in hand with the Old Testament, if not the New as well - the simplest explanation is usually the most satisfying if it unifies to existing theory. This is my sense of theology as well.

I believe good and evil are real. But I have trouble taking on “faith” those things for which I see no evidence of before Man is capable of abstracting them through his mind. Whereas contrarily, I see lots of evidence for the workings of God in the same reality.

Though I do acknowledge and respect the sophistication of your reasoning and am content to have it so.

God’s bounty on You and Yours, always...


49 posted on 09/26/2012 9:45:44 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug

Indeed. And may God’s eternal peace be upon you and your family as well.

My biases come from my early Catholicism, which I still have so much healthy respect for having spent a fair amount of time bouncing around the Protestant leagues.

No religion is perfect, but I frankly crave the evidence that Satan is real as much as you do, and the Catholics have done an amazing job of attempting to compile it.

For me, this brings some sense to the notion of having to be on earth in the first place, inside the presence of the Advocate, but outside of God’s direct glory.

If I can ask your perspective, how do you look at the book of Job? For me, it is a difficult book all around.


50 posted on 09/26/2012 9:59:29 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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