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The Pew Survey’s Most Sobering Result
Catholic Culture ^ | 9/25/12 | Dr. Jeff Mirus

Posted on 09/26/2012 7:00:35 AM PDT by marshmallow

Now that a Pew Survey shows Catholics favoring Obama by a 15-point margin, it is time to point out what is truly significant about the survey results. It isn’t significant that those who attend Mass monthly or yearly favor Obama 53 to 39 percent or that those who attend Mass seldom or never favor him by a 61 to 32 percent margin. These things, based on a combination of demographics and obvious spiritual apathy are to be expected.

Catholics who attend Mass infrequently cannot be expected to make Catholic moral judgments or to be champions of Catholic independence from government coercion. Most of these Catholics will have inherited sympathies for the Democratic Party based on ethnic group, family tradition or liberal media myths (Democrats care about people, Republicans don’t). They are almost inevitably influenced more by these attachments than by either coherent moral analysis or the needs and interests of their Church.

No, the most damning result of the poll is that Catholics who attend Mass at least weekly favor Mitt Romney by only nine percent (51 to 42). This compares with nearly a 30 point gap the other way for those who attend Mass very rarely or not at all. Why isn’t there a comparable gap against Obama by regularly practicing Catholics? This represents a colossal Catholic failure.

Obviously, one can allow for a certain apathy here. Mitt Romney does not impress voters as a man who has either a moral or a political clue. His position on abortion and related issues is confused and, as far as anyone can tell, self-serving. His ability to project a serious love and concern for our nation and its people ranges from weak to non-existent. He stumbles and backtracks constantly. While there are many excellent moral reasons to vote against Barack.......

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A fitting testament to five decades of episcopal ineptitude and cowardice. Great job, guys.

The more I think about the Obama HHS mandate, the more I think he's doing the Church a favor. We desperately need some sort of persecution to shake the bishops and blow away the chaff.

1 posted on 09/26/2012 7:00:38 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
Mitt Romney does not impress voters as a man who has either a moral or a political clue.

And the muslim anitCHRIST Baraq Hussein mohammed 0bama does????????

2 posted on 09/26/2012 7:03:23 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ("Get that evil, foreign, muslim, usurping bastard out of MY White House!" FUBO GTFO!)
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To: marshmallow

B.S. this author should stand in a bottle of his own urine.


3 posted on 09/26/2012 7:04:49 AM PDT by shadeaud ( “Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8”. Just doing my duty a Christian)
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To: marshmallow

Likewise, the Pharasees supported Rome so their apple cart wouldn’t be upset.


4 posted on 09/26/2012 7:05:03 AM PDT by Obadiah (The 2008 crisis is long over. The crisis now is Obama's non-recovery.)
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To: marshmallow

For most “Catholics,” the church is just another social club.


5 posted on 09/26/2012 7:12:42 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
And the muslim anitCHRIST Baraq Hussein mohammed 0bama does????????

Maybe, but even more so...THIS does.

6 posted on 09/26/2012 7:12:54 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Record high turnout is our hope for sending 0bama home. Pray hard!!!)
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To: marshmallow
The Bible teaches us we get the leadership we deserve. If our churches are dead and we claim evil as good and good as evil, there will be days such as these.

I've been complaining in the wilderness for years now and few heard. Now, evil will manifest itself out in the open. If Catholics vote in the majority for Obama and the Jews also, it just shows the blindness that has overcome us. I don't believe we can murder 50 million babies and endorse sodomy and go unpunished. I was told recently that Catholics wouldn't go for Obama this time, but it looks like I was fooled again. You can't have the biggest Catholics in the world be Biden, Pelosi, and the Kennedy's, and nothing happen to them and expect a different result.

7 posted on 09/26/2012 7:21:46 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: marshmallow
People forget that when you skew a poll by party you are changing which Catholics you get, and thus the numbers and totals move as well.

This is a BS poll creating a BS demographic breakout.
8 posted on 09/26/2012 7:38:04 AM PDT by jps098
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To: The Sons of Liberty

The “mainstream” media has hammered on Romney 24/7 since he became the nominee apparent. They have covered for Obama for his entire career, and lately moved to outright advocacy.

What the heck are folks dependent on the MSM supposed to think?


9 posted on 09/26/2012 7:40:44 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: marshmallow
We desperately need some sort of persecution to shake the bishops and blow away the chaff.

I don't think persecution would work because the hierarchy is more Democrat than Catholic. And they are true Democrat believers!

10 posted on 09/26/2012 7:45:06 AM PDT by Theodore R. ( Who among us has not erred? Akin's the One!)
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To: ScottinVA
Maybe, but even more so...THIS does.

You just hit the nail on the head. Cashing a government check is the highest sacrament of the State Religion.

11 posted on 09/26/2012 7:45:27 AM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: chuckles

Most Catholics are grossly uninformed about politics too.


12 posted on 09/26/2012 7:46:25 AM PDT by Theodore R. ( Who among us has not erred? Akin's the One!)
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To: jps098; Cronos; jmaroneps37; All

This is a BS poll creating a BS demographic breakout.
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you are absolutely correct.
the polls are nuts, showing D turnouts vastly higher than even 2008.
one poll, even showed Obama leading in NASCAR FANS !
here are some more accurate ones
(that DO include even liberal Catholics!)
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Obama Camp Launches Desperate Ad as Catholic Vote Crumbles {only 27% of “Catholics” support Obama}
09/19/2012 1:24:55 AM PDT · by Cronos · 23 replies
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2933172/posts
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Obama’s 27% support among Catholics presents a huge advantage for Romney
08/29/2012 8:02:10 AM PDT · by jmaroneps37 · 27 replies
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2924122/posts

POLITICO/GW poll: Obama 50, Romney 47 (Catholics: 50/43 Romney)


13 posted on 09/26/2012 7:49:12 AM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: marshmallow

Only an eight point spread between regular Mass attending Catholics and those who maybe show up on Easter Sunday? Either way the numbers aren’t encouraging.

I’ll say it again. If this guy gets re-elected a huge Emily Litella moment is coming for the Church. They’ll just shut up, craw back in the bunker and start quietly paying for the Pill. As they’ve done in Europe for half a century now.


14 posted on 09/26/2012 8:01:49 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: marshmallow
The rest of the article:

But there is one huge issue that separates Obama and Romney, and it is the same issue which has been most forcefully identified by the country’s bishops—the HHS Mandate. Obama is the architect of a law which forces Catholic organizations and individuals to financially support contraception, sterilization and abortion despite the Church’s teaching that it is deeply sinful to do so. In a similar way, Obama is the architect of policies which exclude Catholic organizations from traditional roles in social services because they will not do things like provide abortion referrals, recommend contraception, or facilitate adoptions for same-sex couples. But Romney has pledged to eliminate the HHS mandate immediately upon election, and has shown no propensity to continue Obama’s ideological exclusion of Catholic participation in public life.

Now, the American bishops have clearly identified the HHS mandate as a gross abrogation of religious liberty, and they have made it clear this violation is a key Catholic concern in the current campaign, the kind of concern that would prompt anybody with profound Catholic sympathies to vote against the Democrats. And yet only 51 percent of regular Catholic churchgoers state that they are willing to do so. This failure of churchgoing Catholics to defend their own religious freedom and the rights of the Church is the most significant revelation in the Pew poll.

There are, of course, several critical factors which work against the bishops here. First, with respect to doctrinal orthodoxy and Catholic identity, episcopal leadership has been notoriously weak and even directly counter-productive over the past fifty years. The American bishops have presided over a national, diocesan and parish infrastructure riddled with Modernism. They have been largely idle in the face of an abject secularization of Catholic colleges and universities. They have not worked to counter the loss of ecclesial fidelity in the nation’s religious communities. And they have done almost nothing to combat the universal acceptance of contraception which lies at the heart of the culture of death—and which makes the HHS Mandate seem innocuous.

Second, as Phil Lawler has pointed out several times (see, for example, The noise-to-signal ratio at the USCCB), while the bishops have spoken out strongly on religious liberty, they have spoken out again and again on so many other purely prudential topics that their concerns about religious liberty have been far too easily ignored. Third, even the Fortnight for Freedom campaign was not implemented evenly across the country. There is still sufficient squishiness within the ranks for recalcitrant bishops and pastors to have ignored it, or for its message to go by without reinforcement.

For all these reasons, the American bishops have a long way to go before they will be able, over time, to effectively form the consciences of American Catholics. We are at the beginning of a long, slow and painful episcopal renewal in this country, not near the end. The episcopal renewal will take even longer to bring renewal across the board, in all the structures and sub-institutions which shape American Catholic life, and in the laity themselves. Therefore, we can only wonder how much further religious liberty will suffer in American politics while the renewal develops—and whether increasing persecution will strengthen or weaken the Church overall. The latest Pew survey is a reminder of this one essential fact: We are not at the end of a process here. We are at the beginning.


15 posted on 09/26/2012 8:56:16 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Who is Emily Litella BTW?

I believe that if Obama gets re-elected, and as the speech at the UN yesterday has proven, look for the Christian faith community in the USA to be ATTACKED BIGTIME. Mark my words.


16 posted on 09/26/2012 9:00:45 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl
Who is Emily Litella BTW?

SNL character played by the late Gilda Radner, who would always misinterpret the words and give an editorial, an example she would start out with "What's all this I heard about Soviet Jewelry..." instead of "Soviet Jewry."...and then when finally corrected, she would respond, "Never Mind."

17 posted on 09/26/2012 9:04:50 AM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: Theodore R.

Well you could be wrong, I do predict persecution for the Christian faith in general but in a special way against the Catholic Church and that will shake up things.


18 posted on 09/26/2012 9:06:19 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: dfwgator

Great that you told me that. Have not been watching SNL for years now, since Ms. Radner has passed on.


19 posted on 09/26/2012 9:09:39 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: marshmallow

I’m not buying this, I think Obama loses the Catholic vote by a narrow margin.

While Catholics have only voted against a democrat incumbent once in history (1980), this time I think it will happen again.


20 posted on 09/26/2012 9:37:49 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: marshmallow

I don’t buy this poll, or the one that only gives Obama 27% support among Catholics.

What I don’t get is why these polls are never broken down by state. How is a national number in any way useful when we vote by state and the electoral college? Am I missing something? If it’s a national number, it is made up of all the states, no? At least give swing states. The biggest split I could find in the 2008 election exit polling with the Catholic vote was 70% for pres O in NM and 70% against pres O in La. That’s only the biggest I could find, many states I just can’t find anywhere.

Freegards


21 posted on 09/26/2012 9:45:53 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: All
...the most damning result of the poll is that Catholics who attend Mass at least weekly favor Mitt Romney by only nine percent (51 to 42). This compares with nearly a 30 point gap the other way for those who attend Mass very rarely or not at all. Why isn’t there a comparable gap against Obama by regularly practicing Catholics? This represents a colossal Catholic failure.

If the polls hold true, isn't 51% less than McCain got in 2008?

Unfortunately enough, Catholics are largely indistinguishable from non-Catholics and, despite a few pundits, no, there really is no “Catholic vote.” This obvious conclusion—clear enough from the fact that the vote for the winning candidates in the last national election was approximately the same for Catholics and non-Catholics—has serious current implications....
-- from the thread The Mythical Catholic Vote: The Harmful Consequences of Political Assimilation

22 posted on 09/26/2012 9:54:47 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“For most ‘Catholics,’ the church is just another social club.”

Is that why there’s all the loud yacking both before and after Mass in the sanctuary from people who seem to have no sense of, respect for, or even belief in the Real Presence?


23 posted on 09/26/2012 10:13:22 AM PDT by MDLION ("Trust in the Lord with all your heart" -Proverbs 3:5)
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To: marshmallow

I attend a Catholic Bible Study group of about 25.Obama will be lucky to get 5 votes.


24 posted on 09/26/2012 10:54:50 AM PDT by ardara
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To: ardara
I attend a Catholic Bible Study group of about 25.

Good for you!

Obama will be lucky to get 5 votes.

Any ideas as to why those 4-5 group members are voting for him?

25 posted on 09/26/2012 11:17:35 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

They tend to be die-in -wool Democrats who read the NY Times every day.


26 posted on 09/26/2012 2:23:33 PM PDT by ardara
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To: marshmallow

Now that a Pew Survey shows Catholics favoring Obama by a 15-point margin,


Once again we wonder why people of a certain Christian denomination would vote for a muslim who any one can see is trying to bring the U.S. down.

The churches for years have done every thing they possibly could to recruit more members, and the extremes they will go to include infant baptism, or young people who would not know Jesus from the man in the moon is talked into baptism by friends or family who are also not informed.

They make being a Christian as like Alice in wonder land, a big fairy tale to these young people, they make them think their reward will be in this life, its all about candy and ice cream.

What they do not tell them is that living for Christ may also include suffering and most likely even dieing for him.

If these people are asked about their faith they most likely will say either catholic or protestant depending on who baptized them, even if they have not been in the Church since they were baptized.


27 posted on 09/27/2012 7:14:38 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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