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Yoga? It's too Hindu for church: Priest bans exercise class because it's 'not Catholic'
Daily Mail ^ | Wednesday, September 26, 2012 | Daily Mail Reporter

Posted on 09/26/2012 9:17:56 PM PDT by Jyotishi

-Yoga instructor Cori Withell was told activity was part of Hindu religion -37-year-old banned from using Catholic church hall despite paying up beforehand -She said the class was just for exercise and did not feature meditation -Ban not Catholic church policy - decision left to discretion of individual priests

Banned: Fitness instructor Cori Withell was told she could not hold her yoga class at a Catholic church as it was a Hindu religious activity

She meant her yoga classes to be a calming and relaxing experience for all those concerned.

Instead, Cori Withell has ended up flustered and frustrated after a priest banned her from his church hall because her lessons are ‘not compatible’ with the Catholic faith.

The 37-year-old instructor was told by Father John Chandler that yoga is a Hindu religious activity and therefore not in keeping with his rules on promoting Catholic activities.

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1 posted on 09/26/2012 9:18:03 PM PDT by Jyotishi
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To: Jyotishi

thumbs up - a priest who knows his priorities


2 posted on 09/26/2012 9:21:34 PM PDT by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: Jyotishi

Bookmark bump.


3 posted on 09/26/2012 9:22:32 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: jtal

Way to go Priest.


4 posted on 09/26/2012 9:25:14 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Jyotishi
I saw in our church bulletin there was a Holy Yoga class x amount of times a week. HUHHH!? Reading farther they use Bible verses along with the exercises!
5 posted on 09/26/2012 9:25:48 PM PDT by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: Jyotishi

Too Hindu for any Christian. Anything Hindu is far from Christianity.


6 posted on 09/26/2012 9:26:10 PM PDT by doc1019 (Turn Medina into a glass parking lot and all this crap will stop.)
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To: Jyotishi

I think it’s past time for Catholic churches and retreat centers to clean out all the yoga, reiki, eastern religious stuff and centering prayer.


7 posted on 09/26/2012 9:26:14 PM PDT by MDLION ("Trust in the Lord with all your heart" -Proverbs 3:5)
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To: Jyotishi

So? I’m a baptist, and I wouldn’t want it in my church either.


8 posted on 09/26/2012 9:29:26 PM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Jyotishi

Way to go Father!


9 posted on 09/26/2012 9:41:27 PM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: Jyotishi

I looked because I thought maybe she’d be innocent, and now I feel guilty for doing so. Thanks a lot, St. Isidore’s.


10 posted on 09/26/2012 9:42:23 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Jyotishi

WOW, I was under the impression only Muslims had the monopoly on religious intolerance.


11 posted on 09/26/2012 9:44:47 PM PDT by entropy12
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To: Jyotishi

Good for the Catholic Church. Excerpts from article below:

“Syman describes yoga as a varied practice, but she makes clear that yoga cannot be fully extricated from its spiritual roots in Hinduism and Buddhism. She is also straightforward in explaining the role of sexual energy in virtually all forms of yoga and of ritualized sex in some yoga traditions. She also explains that yoga “is one of the first and most successful products of globalization, and it has augured a truly post-Christian, spiritually polyglot country.”

Reading The Subtle Body is an eye-opening and truly interesting experience. To a remarkable degree, the growing acceptance of yoga points to the retreat of biblical Christianity in the culture. Yoga begins and ends with an understanding of the body that is, to say the very least, at odds with the Christian understanding. Christians are not called to empty the mind or to see the human body as a means of connecting to and coming to know the divine. Believers are called to meditate upon the Word of God — an external Word that comes to us by divine revelation — not to meditate by means of incomprehensible syllables”

http://www.albertmohler.com/2010/09/20/the-subtle-body-should-christians-practice-yoga/


12 posted on 09/26/2012 9:47:09 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Jyotishi

Huh...my wife does yoga, I’ve done it, never saw anything spiritual in it. I guess this piece doesn’t change my mind. It really helps with flexibility and core strength.


13 posted on 09/26/2012 9:52:44 PM PDT by SoDak (Obama..change you can step in.)
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To: entropy12

That is a strange comment in the context of this story.


14 posted on 09/26/2012 9:54:14 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: entropy12

Yoga is based on Hinduism and has practices like astral projection, OBEs, chanting, and the stretches and positions can be used to honor the gods. (small g) Would you call them intollerant if they banned a Celtic winter solstice event?


15 posted on 09/26/2012 10:06:02 PM PDT by LukeL (Barack Obama: Jimmy Carter 2 Electric Boogaloo)
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To: LukeL

> ...chanting...

Chanting

By Lori Smith

Yoga from a Christian Perspective Resources - Christians Practicing Yoga

http://www.christianspracticingyoga.com/chanting.htm


16 posted on 09/26/2012 10:10:50 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: entropy12

> WOW, I was under the impression only Muslims had the monopoly on religious intolerance.

Yes Muslims do have the corner on intolerance but it can be found almost everywhere.


17 posted on 09/26/2012 10:19:02 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: Jyotishi

Do not stretch your tendons and muscles. It’s satanic!


18 posted on 09/26/2012 10:19:09 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: LukeL

I never heard of anyone talking about or practicing yoga during my first 20 years of life growing up in India as a Hindu. And my family was pretty devout religious, which I am not. My wife and kids are Christians. Only after arriving in US at age 21 I heard of all these yoga classes going on everywhere. I never have attended a single yoga session in my life. So I do not know first hand anything about it. But my impression is it has more to do with physical exercises than religious rituals. If indeed they were pushing Hindu religiosity during yoga sessions, I do not think it would be so popular here.


19 posted on 09/26/2012 10:25:38 PM PDT by entropy12
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To: entropy12

> I never heard of anyone talking about or practicing yoga
> during my first 20 years of life growing up in India as a Hindu....

The practice of Yoga, especially the physical postures and exercises are much more popular in western countries than in India, the land of Yoga’s origin. Some general information about it and Hinduism from about.com:

Introduction to Yoga Philosophy - The Bhagavad Gita

Introduction to the Bhagavad Gita

By Ann Pizer, About.com Guide
Updated September 16, 2012
About.com Health’s Disease and Condition content is reviewed by our Medical Review Board

The Bhagavad Gita is part of the Mahabharata, an ancient Indian epic poem. In the Gita, Arjuna, a great warrior, is faced with a difficult decision: whether or not to fight in a battle between his kinsmen. He is torn between his duty to fight alongside his brothers for a just cause, and his reluctance when he sees those he must fight against include his other relatives and mentors. Krishna takes the place of Arjuna’s charioteer and offers Arjuna advice on how to deal with the situation. Included in this allegory are lessons on how to lead a moral life, which form the foundations of the spiritual practice of yoga.

Although we say that the Bhagavad Gita in an ancient yoga text, it has very little to do with the physical practice of yoga (asana). The Gita follows Arjuna’s quest for spiritual guidance, and Krishna’s answers to his questions on how to realize his inner spirituality and take responsibility for his life and role in the world. Krishna counsels Arjuna to practice:

karma yoga, the yoga of service

jnana yoga, the yoga of knowledge, particularly self-knowledge, and

bhakti yoga, the yoga of devotion.

http://yoga.about.com/od/bhagavadgita/a/thegita.htm


20 posted on 09/26/2012 10:48:53 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: entropy12

Have you heard of the Kudilini and Chakra? Many of these things along with ideas like acupuncture, reflexology, accupressure, rake, and other eastern practices have their roots in eastern religion. Even martial arts practice channeling your interal spritual energy for maximum effect. (although this is often exagerated in the west to mystify it and to fleece money from idiots)


21 posted on 09/26/2012 11:36:34 PM PDT by LukeL (Barack Obama: Jimmy Carter 2 Electric Boogaloo)
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To: Jyotishi

My ex-girlfriend does yoga and she’s Satan.


22 posted on 09/26/2012 11:41:12 PM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: Slump Tester

Mixing the profane with Christianity is the first step down a slippery slope. - I had a Bible study teacher several years ago who was a frustrated yoga teacher; slipped in a few of her guided imagery ideas and yoga ads into the class in a, I am sure, misguided theory that she was helping us. (She was the preacher’s wife, and my husband was very attached to both of them - which made it difficult when I left there.)


23 posted on 09/27/2012 1:21:44 AM PDT by Twinkie (IT'S THE OBAMA ECONOMY, STUPID!!)
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To: Jyotishi

Once had a devout christian come to my martial arts training class a few years ago. He didn’t come back after the first session, as he considered reing (bowing) to the sensei at the beginning and end of the session to be an idolatrous act and was too pig-headed to be persuaded otherwise.


24 posted on 09/27/2012 1:28:49 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: Jyotishi

Becasue we all know how much the bible condemns breathing and stretching exercise.


25 posted on 09/27/2012 2:27:10 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Jyotishi; jtal; ansel12; 21twelve; MDLION; doc1019; Slump Tester; ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton; ...
it really depends. Yoga came out of hindu religious practise, there is no doubt about that. It also has physical benefits, but those were originally secondary to the spirituality of it

If one takes the philosophy too far, it is then Hindu spirituality specifically Tantric and vedic, which asserts about emptying the mind. This is quite the opposite of Christian meditation

Hence, if one does the whole-blow yoga with meditation, this is not Christian, but yoga just for exercise is ok imho

To 21twelve -- I think (note, my opinion) that replacing the meditation on the self as divinity which is Hindu and replacing it with meditation on Bible verses is a good approach for Christians

to susie -- I don't agree that yoga can't be separated out.

26 posted on 09/27/2012 2:31:56 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: 21twelve

Yoga is great exercise. When I took classes, I’d tune out the “meditations” and meditate on scriptures instead.


27 posted on 09/27/2012 2:35:23 AM PDT by stilloftyhenight
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To: Jyotishi

If some Muslim or Hindu teachers refuse to teach Western classical music because it’s too Christian, what would be our reaction?


28 posted on 09/27/2012 2:35:54 AM PDT by paudio (Post-racial society: When we can legitimately hire and fire a Black man without feeling guilty.)
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To: entropy12
WOW, I was under the impression only Muslims had the monopoly on religious intolerance.

Don't be an idiot. The priest wasn't trying to ban yoga from the world, or protest Hinduism, or any of those thiongs. He was simply exercising control over what things happened in the church building that he is responsible for. That church is supposed to to be a place devoted to the worship of God, not some community hall for every new age activity that people can come up with. I'm sure he doesn't care how many people do yoga outside his church.

The very concept of "tolerance" has been so perverted that it has become meaningless. These days, people think "tolerance" means that they should be able to do whatever they want, whenever they want, no matter who it inconveniences or harms, and if there is any objection, it must be "intolerance". Of course, if it is a white, male Christian who wants to do something, then people are free to crap all over him all they want.
29 posted on 09/27/2012 2:37:23 AM PDT by fr_freak
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To: stilloftyhenight; Cronos

“replacing the meditation on the self as divinity which is Hindu and replacing it with meditation on Bible verses is a good approach”.

And the best part is that the Hindu’s won’t start world-wide protests or try to chop of your head!


30 posted on 09/27/2012 2:44:37 AM PDT by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: fr_freak

Fr-freak - couldn’t agree more it is not intolerant or bull-headed for the Priest - who is responsible for the going’s on in his Parish and on Church grounds - to refuse usage of such to anything he feels is not of spiritual benefit to his congregation.

We should all rejoice that an individual takes responsibility for his role and makes other’s accountable in doing so - isn’t this some of what fr ultimately is all about!

Mel

I don’t think any of us really understand how much of this PC tolerance stuff has infected even our own lives.


31 posted on 09/27/2012 3:01:11 AM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: LukeL; entropy
The thing is that Yoga originated in Tantric Hinduism but in the exercise form is not based on Hinduism

in the same way martial arts in many cases is based on Chinese philosophy.

I think we need to separate out the Hindu religious part from the exercise, just as how many of us have done so for martial arts

32 posted on 09/27/2012 3:32:52 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Jyotishi; entropy12
Also do note that it's not a ruling by the overall Church. It's the same with non-Catholic groups -- some pastors say ok, others don't.

I do believe that some of the deep breathing, focusing on say Rama etc. is not Christian

But yoga-dance is neither Hindu nor Christian, it's exercise.

33 posted on 09/27/2012 3:35:18 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: entropy12
it depends. much of the yoga that I've seen in this country is just exercise, however do note that Sri Sri etc. are based on deeper Sanathana Dharma philosophy and beliefs.

I'm not going to comment on Hindu beliefs more than that the belief in one worshipping the self and emptying the mind are not Christian beliefs. The stretching etc is of course, non-religious :)

34 posted on 09/27/2012 3:40:19 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: paudio; Jyotishi

western classical music is not based on Christianity in the same way as yoga is. Yoga in its original sense was a way to commune with the gods


35 posted on 09/27/2012 4:02:33 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: 21twelve; stilloftyhenight; Jyotishi

Hindus won’t care. They’re good people. I don’t agree with their religious views, and I know they don’t completely agree with mine, but they are good people and know how to live alongside other faiths.


36 posted on 09/27/2012 4:04:11 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Jyotishi

People are often attracted to that which is new and exotic to them. There are many Catholics who wouldn’t think of praying a rosary or spending time in Eucharistic adoration because they are “old fashioned” but who will happily meditate as part of a non-Catholic practice. Ommmmmm


37 posted on 09/27/2012 5:34:18 AM PDT by informavoracious (Abortions are unproductive wrongs, not reproductive rights.)
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To: entropy12
If "only Muslims had the monopoly on religious intolerance."

Then a sheetload of Freepers must be Muslims.

38 posted on 09/27/2012 6:41:36 AM PDT by PatHimself
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To: TigersEye
Do not stretch your tendons and muscles. It’s satanic!

My daughter is a competative swimmer and they do Yoga two days a week. I have no problem with it; I see Yoga on the same level as Cross Fit and other programs that increase strength and flexibility.

Athletes need to be in tune with their bodies and Yoga provides that.

Now if the purpose is spiritual, such as you would find in a church, then I have a problem with it.....

39 posted on 09/27/2012 6:52:40 AM PDT by Gamecock (We don't come to Christ to be born again; rather, we are born again in order to come to Christ. RCS)
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To: PatHimself

I do the Wii Sports Yoga and have yet to turn into a Hindu.

Though I am super flexible with incredible balance.


40 posted on 09/27/2012 6:56:19 AM PDT by Mountain Bike Vomit Carnage (You had me at 'Meat Tornado'.)
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To: Jyotishi
Exposing the Dangers Behind Martial Arts & Yoga
41 posted on 09/27/2012 7:42:31 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: entropy12
WOW, I was under the impression only Muslims had the monopoly on religious intolerance.

It's not about "religion."

Exposing the Dangers Behind Martial Arts & Yoga

42 posted on 09/27/2012 7:43:50 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Jyotishi
Father Chandler said the church was ‘misled’ by Miss Withell’s booking because he claimed that, at first, the hall was booked for pilates and then he found out it was also for spiritual yoga.

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Pilates okay, Yoga bad.

I take a yoga class at my Methodist Church. I wouldn't call it relaxing or very spiritual. In fact, brutal is the word that comes to my mind.
My church offers all kinds of free classes that are just about having fun and getting together with other church members.

This is just silly. Obviously, no one is going to a Catholic church to practice Hinduism.

43 posted on 09/27/2012 8:10:32 AM PDT by kara37
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To: kara37

I have a list of things I do in my spiritual walk, that if I were to share it with fellow Christians, they would basically disown me and say I was unChristian. I know this from experience.

And if you look at the things that I do that they find objectionable, it doesn’t come down to doing inappropriate things, it comes to thinking inappropriate things.

I always heard a group of Christian friends trashing a certain pastors book, and out of curiosity I checked out the book. What they found objectionable, is that the man imagined holding the hem of Jesus’ robe, while he was in prayer. They said that was visualizing, visualization was new age, so they trashed him.

Many times I felt that while God is doing all he can to bring people into his house, some Christians are doing all they can to keep people out.


44 posted on 09/27/2012 8:25:04 AM PDT by Tuanedge (The Buffalo hates the Tiger, but the Tiger loves the Buffalo.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I wonder what you’d think if you’d been born in India?


45 posted on 09/27/2012 8:36:47 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: Cronos

It would have been very beneficial to me to get into Yoga in the late 1970s, I had gotten close to the biggest Yoga operators in San Diego, so I immersed myself into the decision of whether I could do Yoga with a clear conscience.

While not a theologian, I finally came to the conclusion that it was a wrong path, that there was something anti-Christian in there somewhere, and that for me, I best choose not to start down that path. I have done a lot of impulse sinning, but when I have time and consciousness of deliberately choosing a path, I try to avoid spiritual confusion, or subtle spiritual seductions.

I’m not interested in arguing Yoga with people, but I will reveal my simple vote, I vote with the Priest.


46 posted on 09/27/2012 9:11:14 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: Cronos
Hindus won’t care. They’re good people.. . they are good people and know how to live alongside other faiths.

Then why are Christians in India being persecuted by Hindus?

http://christianpersecutionindia.blogspot.com/2012/07/karnataka-christians-attacked.html

47 posted on 09/27/2012 9:24:30 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: ZX12R
I wonder what you’d think if you’d been born in India?

I wonder what Hindi's would think about having Mass in their temples?

48 posted on 09/27/2012 9:24:54 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I wonder what Hindi's would think about having Mass in their temples?

You'd probably be a yoga instructor, and walking around with a jewelry laden cow.
49 posted on 09/27/2012 9:29:26 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: Jyotishi

Yoga IS a Hindu religious practice.
You can get “denatured” yoga, pretty easily, though. Or find some other low-impact exercise regime.


50 posted on 09/27/2012 9:35:41 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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