That would be an improvement over what D.C. is now.
Seriously, why is anyone be against protecting life?
I spit on D.C.!
Posted on 10/01/2012 6:05:57 PM PDT by Morgana
This past weekend, a pro-life protestor was booed – at a D.C. church – for attempting to ask Kathleen Sebelius a question regarding the HHS contraception mandate at a forum following the church service.
From WorldNetDaily:
Brandi Swindell [pictured right], National Director of Generation Life, a pro-life group dedicated to mobilizing activists, students, artists, musicians and young professionals to end abortion and spread the message of sexual integrity, told WND that she had a “divine appointment” in Washington today.
“Three of us chose to attend church at St. John’s this morning,” Swindell said, “and at the last minute found out that Kathleen Sebelius, the architect of the HHS Mandate, was holding an adult forum between services.”
Swindell told WND that she got the secretary’s attention, and in front of a packed auditorium asked her, “Why are you forcing the American people to pay for abortion-inducing drugs that harm women? It’s a severe violation of religious freedom.”
The secretary ignored the question and left the stage….
I just pray it wasn’t a Catholic Church.
If Catholics Booed her they need to look into going to another religion.
Isn’t that the one barry shows up in once a year? Close to the WH.
Is that the same one that Bill Clinton used to carry a 40 pound Bible to?
And crawled into the church on broken glass bare kneed?
Good job. And by the way, the conservative vs. liberal women rule certainly applies here.
That’s fine. They’re not Christian anyway.
Must be a new age church...lots of hanky panky goes on there I bet.
Holy smokin’ pro-life babe!
I think this is an Episcopal church. If it’s the St. John’s on Lafayette Square, it sure isn’t Catholic. They have a female minister.
And wearing a horse hair shirt.
No kidding! Looks, brains and the courage that comes from her convictions. Beautiful inside & out.
Secretary Sibelius has the mentality of a little dictator.
Anyone have a clue as to which church in DC this was?
This, probably. ECUSA, and it's what comes up g00gling for "st. john's church D.C.".
It’s a bad gene pool. Her father was an idiot liberal Dem governor of Ohio.
St. John’s is an Episcopal church very close to the White House.
People who can’t read the facts before they comment are far more lost than the Catholic Church.
Has the Catholic Church refused to give the Sacrement to Nancy Pelosi or John Kerry recently?
It might be, I don’t know.
Waggs do you have any idea?
The Episcopal Church is no longer a Christian denomination. It is a Communist-front run by Communist to advance Communism in America and around the globe. The people in the pews are dedicated Communists for the most part — call them Communists who enjoy socializing at once-prominent parishes and lovers of ceremony for ceremony’s sake.
Sermons at parishes like St. John’s in the wicked Diocese of Washington are invariably Communist and multicultural and homosexualist rants, distorting Scripture like only Satan can do. One Episcopal dean of a “seminary” — a flaming dyke — calls abortion a holy sacrament. I kid you not. This people are pure, unadulturated evil who have stolen the funds of Christians ancestors to wage war against our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and God Almighty Himself. They belong in Hell — the sooner the better.
waggs do you have a clue? How about you LJ?
In their own words, St. John’s is a, “. . . historic protestant Episcopal church located across from the White House.”
St John (Episcopagan)
I find it very consistent that churchgoers would boo her. After all, the Episcopagans were the first Protestant denomination to give an official blessing to the use of artificial contraceptives (1935 Lambeth Conference).
I suspected it was the Episcopagan one, just did not want to jump to conclusions.
Yes the “abortion is a sacrament” kinda gives them away, don’t it?
Care to apologize for your rash judgment and potty language, or aren’t you man/woman enough??
Speaking the truth in an Episcopal Church!! I bet there was more than the former Kansas Governor squirming in their skin.
If this is the St. John’s Episcopal Church near the White House, I attended a worship service there on January 19, 1969. The service was magisterial and liturgical, in the Episcopalian tradition. I’m sure it is a very liberal church today.
Sounds as though our current president would find a spiritual home at St. Johns if he wanted to.
If I should find myself once again in DC on a Sunday, I'll have to find another place to worship.
That would be an improvement over what D.C. is now.
Seriously, why is anyone be against protecting life?
I spit on D.C.!
LOL, that makes me think of my late grandfather, a Primitive Baptist. He said Episcopalians look upon the truth like a fart at a funeral. That was over forty years ago.
Now, now, now, it's a perfectly reasonable assumption. Who would have thought that an Episcopagan church would have been named after a saint. After all, it's not like there are any Lutheran St Johns, or Methodist St Johns, or Presbyterian St Johns, or Baptist St Johns, or UCC St Johns. Why, of course, when one hears "St. John's," one would, of course, think Catholic.
Apparently so. Look at their Forum schedule:
September 30 -- The Honorable Kathleen Sebelius, Secretary of the U. S. Department of Health and Human Services.
"Has the Catholic Church refused to give the Sacrement to Nancy Pelosi or John Kerry recently?"
LOL. It figures, just more of the same old, worn out, noise.
But, that's Ok. I understand that pointing out Catholics who behave just like Protestants is the only way some people have of avoiding the fact that the majority of Protestants are no longer Christian.
The US is now and always has been overwhelmingly Protestant.
Why not step up, take a bow, and accept a share of the credit for helping to build the wonderful Protestant society the Protestant majority has created in this country?
Oh, and by the by, both those folks have been told not to bother trying to take Communion in various parts of the country by a number of Bishops. Including now Cardinal Burke. I'm sure they can find some priest or bishop who wants to be Protestant in all but name and will permit them to partake, though.
You know, the sort people who if Protestant would deliver the prayer at the King Barry coronation or run a mega church that doesn't see anything wrong with queers marrying one another. That sort of priest and bishop can't stand being in the minority in this overwhelmingly Protestant nation and so they behave like Protestants in hopes of being accepted by the majority.
Fortunately for the majority of folks who claim to be Protestant Christians, they have no need to dig up a liberal priest since they're each their own highest authority. They would never deny themselves communion, nor would they deny themselves contraception, abortion, queer pastors, queer weddings, or anything else MTV and Hollyweird tell them is "the thing to do".
have a nice day
Well, not necessarily reasonable, but when I was young its what I thought. Catholics are into saints, the reasoning goes, so a church named after a saint is probably Catholic. Childish, perhaps, but no reason to think there was any ill intent. As a young Baptist, there was just us versus all those formal, liturgical places. Hillbilly Baptist, mind you. many transplants from Kentucky and Tennessee. My dad took us there because the Methodists had gone liberal. That was half a century ago. Sigh. Good times. Where I learned to love the Scriptures. Good people.
My goodness. It must really offend your sensibilities to reside in this country. There are majority Catholic countries in the world, you know. Maybe you should expatriate to one.
You need to get out more. If that’s your view of American Christianity apart from Rome, you’re welcome to it, but It’s not what I grew up with. What you just described sounds more like my Catholic relatives in the Chicago area. They pushed abortion and a life of misery on someone I dearly love. No. I don’t generalize against the whole Catholic membership because of that bad experience. The Lord knows those that are his. Just saying that hearing the stereotypes that tear down people who love the same God and the same Jesus and mostly the same Bible, well, I’m not sure who that edifies. But your stereotypes do not match the reality for a whole lot of people. That’s why I try to avoid them. Stereotypes, that is. I’m ok with people. :)
Peace,
SR
Wow - what “christians”! They need bumper stickers - No Fetus Can Beat Us!
Glad you told me. I could not tell from their website they are Eposcopal.
Well, thank God for that. At least it wasn't Christians who were booing.
Looks like an old post-apocalyptic PC first-person shooter video game.
That is why I prefer out west anyway.
St. John’s Episcopal Church, on the other side of Lafayette Park from the White House The Bushes frequently attended services there. Most First Families worship there from time to time during tenancy at the White House.
Like most Episcopal parishes in the past decade or two, it’s become a pathetically liberal congregation. Old time Episcopalians have long since sought religious homes elsewhere.
Well said, sir.
"But your stereotypes do not match the reality for a whole lot of people."
It was a Mr Stereotype I was responding to and there are a great many clones of him running around these parts.
That being the case, it's rather odd that the those who "stay away from stereotypes" so seldom speak up to counter the constant stream of negative stereotypes posted about Catholics. Ignoring the posts full of such stereotypes is at the very least tacit agreement with exactly the sort of thing you say you "stay away from".
There is no stereotyping involved in the posting of facts, and I posted facts. One, that the overwhelming majority of people in this country are Protestant, and two that the society we live in has been shaped primarily by that overwhelming majority.
While there are plenty of Catholics who are Catholic in name only and plenty of true faithful Christians among the Protestant majority in this country, neither of those facts changes the third and more important fact. That third fact is that the Protestant doctrine of individual interpretation of Scripture is the wellspring the relativism that has all but destroyed the Christian social order in this country flows from.
Individual interpretation enshrines the individual, not Christ, and has led to the now prevalent idea that there is no absolute truth valid for all people, in all places, at all times. That relativism in and of itself is a denial of Christianity and that denial of Christianity flows directly from an acceptance of fundamental Protestant doctrine. Relativism, in turn, is what has undermined Christianity in this country and given us the society we now have.
There are a lot of Catholics anxious to be Protestant in all but name who echo and implement the Protestant doctrine of personal interpretation in spite of still calling themselves Catholic. Such Cafeteria Catholics are in reality just little clones of Luther staging their own personal revolt against The One True Church. Those little revolts lead to the same destination the Protestant revolt leads to. That destination is a humanist society that worships and enshrines as the final authority in all things not Christ, but The Most High and Holy Self
The real irony here is that it is Aquinas, not Luther, who, at least according to some, opened that Pandora’s box:
Philosopher Leonard Peikoff, a Randian Objectivist, and therefore certainly not a Protestant, writes:
“What—or who—ended the Middle Ages? My answer is: Thomas Aquinas, who introduced Aristotle, and thereby reason, into medieval culture. In the thirteenth century, for the first time in a millennium, Aquinas reasserted in the West the basic pagan approach. Reason, he said in opposition to Augustine, does not rest on faith; it is a self-contained, natural faculty, which works on sense experience. Its essential task is not to clarify revelation, but rather, as Aristotle had said, to gain knowledge of this world. Men, Aquinas declared forthrightly, must use and obey reason; whatever one can prove by reason and logic, he said, is true. Aquinas himself taught that faith is valuable as a supplement to reason. But this did not alter the nature of his revolution. His was the charter of liberty, the moral and philosophical sanction which the West desperately needed. His message to mankind, after the long ordeal of faith, was in effect: “It is all right. You don’t have to stifle your mind anymore. You can think.”
And that is how I also learned the history of the evolution of the enlightenment, though I learned this from a Christian law school professor who was Catholic in sympathies if not formally so, though I do believe Peikoff also oversimplifies things. Aquinas began a noble project, not intended to contaminate Christian thought with pagan constructs, but to recapture the good from Aristotle and consolidate it under the banner of Christendom. But in that process he moved away from the Augustinian relationship between faith and reason and made them out to be near equal companions rather than master and servant. This paved the way for the founding of modern philosophy as an independent exercise of reason, and made fertile ground for the Darwinian scientific revolution in thought, which has far more to do with modern relativism than anything Luther and Calvin cooked up. If anything, their reform views were a serious attempt to reinstate the Augustinian balance, and thus represent the more conservative impulse.
Now I know we can and probably will go on at great length about the whole constellation of issues that separate us, and that’s all well and good if it is conducted with some mutual respect, and with a view to building up and not tearing down. But please understand, we who honor Christ, and the words of Christ, are not even going as far as your own Aquinas in terms of liberating our reason, but are merely using the natural reason God gave all men, aided by God’s own Spirit, who is specially promised to all who believe, to subject ourselves to the authority of the God-breathed Scriptures, not ourselves or other men, which is why we share a common confession in so many important particulars with our “separated brethren” across the Tiber. It’s in the Book, for all to see. We should be careful not to disturb the cords that bind us, if at all possible, and especially for reasons that have so little basis in fact.
Peace,
SR
If they were booing it clearly wasn't even a Christian church, regardless of what it calls itself.
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