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Pro-life video of the day: Churchgoers boo pro-lifer for questioning Sebelius
jill stanek ^ | 10.1.2012 | jill stanek

Posted on 10/01/2012 6:05:57 PM PDT by Morgana

This past weekend, a pro-life protestor was booed – at a D.C. church – for attempting to ask Kathleen Sebelius a question regarding the HHS contraception mandate at a forum following the church service.

From WorldNetDaily:

Brandi Swindell [pictured right], National Director of Generation Life, a pro-life group dedicated to mobilizing activists, students, artists, musicians and young professionals to end abortion and spread the message of sexual integrity, told WND that she had a “divine appointment” in Washington today.

“Three of us chose to attend church at St. John’s this morning,” Swindell said, “and at the last minute found out that Kathleen Sebelius, the architect of the HHS Mandate, was holding an adult forum between services.”

Swindell told WND that she got the secretary’s attention, and in front of a packed auditorium asked her, “Why are you forcing the American people to pay for abortion-inducing drugs that harm women? It’s a severe violation of religious freedom.”

The secretary ignored the question and left the stage….

TOPICS: Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: abortion; church; moralabsolutes; notachurch; prolife
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To: Morgana

Wow - what “christians”! They need bumper stickers - No Fetus Can Beat Us!

41 posted on 10/01/2012 8:14:32 PM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: La Lydia
St. John’s is an Episcopal church very close to the White House.

Glad you told me. I could not tell from their website they are Eposcopal.

42 posted on 10/01/2012 8:16:14 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: Springfield Reformer
St. John’s is an Episcopal church very close to the White House.

Well, thank God for that. At least it wasn't Christians who were booing.

43 posted on 10/01/2012 8:16:41 PM PDT by Robwin
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To: KC_Lion

Looks like an old post-apocalyptic PC first-person shooter video game.

44 posted on 10/01/2012 8:34:58 PM PDT by wastedyears (The First Law of Heavy Metal: Not all metal is satanic.)
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To: wastedyears
Fallout 3 is STILL filled with less vermin than the people who inhabit D.C. right now.

That is why I prefer out west anyway.

Because Vegas....Vegas never changes...

45 posted on 10/01/2012 8:41:42 PM PDT by KC_Lion ( Wherever I find myself standing, I forever stand with Israel.)
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To: Morgana

St. John’s Episcopal Church, on the other side of Lafayette Park from the White House The Bushes frequently attended services there. Most First Families worship there from time to time during tenancy at the White House.

Like most Episcopal parishes in the past decade or two, it’s become a pathetically liberal congregation. Old time Episcopalians have long since sought religious homes elsewhere.

46 posted on 10/01/2012 8:48:40 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: RegulatorCountry

Well said, sir.

47 posted on 10/01/2012 8:55:03 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: Springfield Reformer
I get out plenty which is why I know just how many churches are now Christian in name only. I've visited a great many churches and nearly every Methodist, Fundamentalist, Independent Baptist, and Lutheran, I visit has fallen by the wayside and replaced preaching Christ and Him crucified with preaching going along to get along and the Gospel of Self.

"But your stereotypes do not match the reality for a whole lot of people."

It was a Mr Stereotype I was responding to and there are a great many clones of him running around these parts.

That being the case, it's rather odd that the those who "stay away from stereotypes" so seldom speak up to counter the constant stream of negative stereotypes posted about Catholics. Ignoring the posts full of such stereotypes is at the very least tacit agreement with exactly the sort of thing you say you "stay away from".

There is no stereotyping involved in the posting of facts, and I posted facts. One, that the overwhelming majority of people in this country are Protestant, and two that the society we live in has been shaped primarily by that overwhelming majority.

While there are plenty of Catholics who are Catholic in name only and plenty of true faithful Christians among the Protestant majority in this country, neither of those facts changes the third and more important fact. That third fact is that the Protestant doctrine of individual interpretation of Scripture is the wellspring the relativism that has all but destroyed the Christian social order in this country flows from.

Individual interpretation enshrines the individual, not Christ, and has led to the now prevalent idea that there is no absolute truth valid for all people, in all places, at all times. That relativism in and of itself is a denial of Christianity and that denial of Christianity flows directly from an acceptance of fundamental Protestant doctrine. Relativism, in turn, is what has undermined Christianity in this country and given us the society we now have.

There are a lot of Catholics anxious to be Protestant in all but name who echo and implement the Protestant doctrine of personal interpretation in spite of still calling themselves Catholic. Such Cafeteria Catholics are in reality just little clones of Luther staging their own personal revolt against The One True Church. Those little revolts lead to the same destination the Protestant revolt leads to. That destination is a humanist society that worships and enshrines as the final authority in all things not Christ, but The Most High and Holy Self

48 posted on 10/01/2012 10:56:05 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin; daniel1212
LOL! Well, we who are not under the human authority in Rome might have more opportunity to combat unfair stereotype of our Catholic cousins if we weren’t all the time under constant fire from the same. Kind of affects the concentration, don’t ya know. And we do have a common enemy, as the subject of this thread demonstrates. But your post took us down another road, laying on us (who believe in Father, Son and Spirit at least as vigorously as you do) the blame for modern atheistic relativism, and so you really should not be too surprised at a spirited rejection of such a ludicrous claim.

The real irony here is that it is Aquinas, not Luther, who, at least according to some, opened that Pandora’s box:

Philosopher Leonard Peikoff, a Randian Objectivist, and therefore certainly not a Protestant, writes:

“What—or who—ended the Middle Ages? My answer is: Thomas Aquinas, who introduced Aristotle, and thereby reason, into medieval culture. In the thirteenth century, for the first time in a millennium, Aquinas reasserted in the West the basic pagan approach. Reason, he said in opposition to Augustine, does not rest on faith; it is a self-contained, natural faculty, which works on sense experience. Its essential task is not to clarify revelation, but rather, as Aristotle had said, to gain knowledge of this world. Men, Aquinas declared forthrightly, must use and obey reason; whatever one can prove by reason and logic, he said, is true. Aquinas himself taught that faith is valuable as a supplement to reason. But this did not alter the nature of his revolution. His was the charter of liberty, the moral and philosophical sanction which the West desperately needed. His message to mankind, after the long ordeal of faith, was in effect: “It is all right. You don’t have to stifle your mind anymore. You can think.”

And that is how I also learned the history of the evolution of the enlightenment, though I learned this from a Christian law school professor who was Catholic in sympathies if not formally so, though I do believe Peikoff also oversimplifies things. Aquinas began a noble project, not intended to contaminate Christian thought with pagan constructs, but to recapture the good from Aristotle and consolidate it under the banner of Christendom. But in that process he moved away from the Augustinian relationship between faith and reason and made them out to be near equal companions rather than master and servant. This paved the way for the founding of modern philosophy as an independent exercise of reason, and made fertile ground for the Darwinian scientific revolution in thought, which has far more to do with modern relativism than anything Luther and Calvin cooked up. If anything, their reform views were a serious attempt to reinstate the Augustinian balance, and thus represent the more conservative impulse.

Now I know we can and probably will go on at great length about the whole constellation of issues that separate us, and that’s all well and good if it is conducted with some mutual respect, and with a view to building up and not tearing down. But please understand, we who honor Christ, and the words of Christ, are not even going as far as your own Aquinas in terms of liberating our reason, but are merely using the natural reason God gave all men, aided by God’s own Spirit, who is specially promised to all who believe, to subject ourselves to the authority of the God-breathed Scriptures, not ourselves or other men, which is why we share a common confession in so many important particulars with our “separated brethren” across the Tiber. It’s in the Book, for all to see. We should be careful not to disturb the cords that bind us, if at all possible, and especially for reasons that have so little basis in fact.



49 posted on 10/02/2012 12:07:59 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Venturer
"I just pray it wasn’t a Catholic Church."

If they were booing it clearly wasn't even a Christian church, regardless of what it calls itself.

50 posted on 10/02/2012 1:19:23 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: markomalley
St John (Episcopagan)

Are you still killing your unborn?

-- GOD


51 posted on 10/02/2012 4:59:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: markomalley
St John (Episcopagan)

Genesis 13:13
Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and
their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men
from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.


Psalms 12:8      The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

Ain't this just FABULOUS??      More?

Isaiah 3:9   The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

2 Peter 2:13b  Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.



Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

2 Peter 2

 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
 4.  For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,  putting them into gloomy dungeons  to be held for judgment;
 5.  if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
 6.  if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
 7.  and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
 8.  (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
 9.  if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
 10.  This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature  and despise authority.   Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
 11.  yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
 12.  But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
 13.  They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done.
Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

 9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
     Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.


If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...

52 posted on 10/02/2012 4:59:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Morgana

The fact they invited Kathleen Sebelius to speak also gives them away. They want government to force Christians to violate their conscience because the people in charge at St. Johns, the wicked Diocese of Washington and the entire Epsicopal “Church” are dedicated Communists through and through with every fiber in their bodies. They dissemble only enough to pretend to be faux followers of Christ in order to have the pulpits and the funds to advance godless, anti-family, anti-American, anti-freedom Communism. They, like the media, are the enemy of the American people.

53 posted on 10/02/2012 8:05:06 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: Springfield Reformer; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; smvoice; HarleyD; ...
Due to the preponderance of papal promotion by parishioners who preach a elitist church rather than exalting Christ, which is not the same thing in this case, then the overall fruit of a self proclaimed OTC needs to be documented once is a while (though like the house of Judah, evangelicalism is also in spiritual declension, even if to a lesser degree)



54 posted on 10/02/2012 1:44:45 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

The probably allow her to take Communion.

55 posted on 10/02/2012 4:13:44 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: Venturer


56 posted on 10/02/2012 4:29:14 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Justice and judgment are the foundation of His throne." Psalm 89:14)
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To: Rashputin; Springfield Reformer; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; smvoice; ...
I understand that pointing out Catholics who behave just like Protestants is the only way some people have of avoiding the fact that the majority of Protestants are no longer Christian. The US is now and always has been overwhelmingly Protestant.

Overall true, according to what they effectually teach, despite what some may yet officially state, but contrary to some of your Traditional brethren, at least you recognize that perhaps some of those in such denoms were Christian.

However the Protestants who no longer are Christian are not only like RCs overall, but are are treated like members in life and in death (including Teddy K.) And it can be argued that this kind of Catholicism is what is being effectually conveyed, despite what is officially stated.

In addition, unlike us who can separate from such churches that will not effectively deal with pro abortion, pro homosexual, etc. members, which conversion plus strong evangelical type preaching usually reduces anyway, RCs are stuck with them, unlike they become part of the Catholic schisms or denoms.

57 posted on 10/02/2012 4:38:02 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212
No appeal to pride there in your long screed or anything, of course.

The fact remains: this happened at a church that calls itself Protestant.

58 posted on 10/02/2012 6:41:25 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Campion; daniel1212
No appeal to pride there in your long screed or anything, of course. The fact remains: this happened at a church that calls itself Protestant.

And let's not ignore the fact that this speech was given by the Secretary of Health and Human Services who still calls herself Catholic and who is still administered the Eucharist along with her cohorts Pelosi, Kerry, Biden, the late Ted Kennedy, and other Liberal elitists who meet no resistance within their "faith" communities to their anti-life ideals.

59 posted on 10/02/2012 7:01:09 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Campion; daniel1212
No appeal to pride there in your long screed or anything, of course.

The only person who could know that with any certainty would, of course, be God. Isn't it against forum rules to "read minds" or otherwise make it personal?

BTW, for my part, I appreciate getting the data. I had no idea so many polls had been taken measuring these faith vs behavior issues.



60 posted on 10/02/2012 7:16:59 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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