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Crystal Cathedral's Robert A. Schuller 'Short Sells' Calif. Home to Avoid Foreclosure
Christian Post ^ | September 20, 2012 | Katherine Weber

Posted on 10/02/2012 5:24:14 PM PDT by Gamecock

The former senior pastor of the Crystal Cathedral, Robert A. Schuller, has announced that he will default on his home in Laguna Beach, Calif., after unsuccessful attempts to sell the home before its Nov. 2 foreclosure date.

"I'm short-selling my house. I have more loans than I can sell the house for," Schuller said in a recent interview with the Orange County Register.

"The house will not go into foreclosure. It will be a short sale," Schuller said, adding: "I can't afford the house as I once could."

Schuller, who is the son of the Crystal Cathedral's founder, the Rev. Robert H. Schuller, is reportedly seeking approval from the bank to sell his home for less than its original purchasing price of $952,500, as he cannot afford the $1.66 million he owes in two mortgages on the property. Schuller reportedly already has a buyer willing to purchase the property.

The home, located in the high-profile gated community of Three Arch Bay in South Laguna Beach, was previously advertised as a spiritual retreat center for $700 per night, or $5,000 per week, on the popular vacation rental website AirBnB.

"Reading, journaling, praying, hiking, swimming, shell collecting and exploring one of the most beautiful beaches in the world" were some of the activities listed on the advertisement for the home as a vacation rental.

According to the OC Register, Schuller and his wife, Donna, have been lowering the selling price on their home since July 2010, but have been unsuccessful in their attempts to sell.

His father, Robert H. Schuller, founded the famed Crystal Cathedral in Orange County in 1980 for the Reformed Church of America. The congregation, housed in a high-reaching, reflective glass building, eventually filed for bankruptcy in Oct. 2010 and was sold to the Roman Catholic Diocese of Orange County in Feb. 2012.

The Schuller family received public criticism after it was revealed that some of their members continued to receive lavish compensation while failing to pay church bills, resulting in a nearly $50 million debt on the property.

Slowly but surely, several members of the Schuller family left the Crystal Cathedral congregation to pursue new lines of ministry. However, the elder Schuller's grandson, Bobby Schuller, has returned to the congregation to occasionally preach.


TOPICS: Current Events
KEYWORDS: crystalcathedral; prosperitygospel; robertaschuller; schuller; ybpdln
"Reading, journaling, praying, hiking, swimming, shell collecting and exploring one of the most beautiful beaches in the world"


"Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head." (Luke 9:58)

1 posted on 10/02/2012 5:24:21 PM PDT by Gamecock
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To: DocRock; del4hope; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg; jude24; Ottofire; fishtank; ...
The YBPDLNPL is generally published infrequently, but based on the exploits of the megachurch pastors posts can spike for a period of time. If you would like on or off of this list please FReepmail me.


2 posted on 10/02/2012 5:26:48 PM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock

We all need houses like this, don’t we?


3 posted on 10/02/2012 5:28:00 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: Gamecock

YBPDLNPL?

Yard Bird Police Department Lunatic National Public Libertarians?


4 posted on 10/02/2012 5:30:02 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1351 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: Gamecock

I remember this guy, and as a kid I knew “Schuller” means “scam artist”.


5 posted on 10/02/2012 5:37:46 PM PDT by liberty or death
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To: Gamecock

Gee that’s tough, Reverend.

You know it’s hard times when your Reverend has to give up his million-dollar Pacific beach-side home.


6 posted on 10/02/2012 5:45:56 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Gamecock

I don’t get sees himself in need of a large home like this. I mean, he can get any home he can afford, that is his business, but if you’re in the business of the Gospel, and you want people to believe they can live the Gospel, you should be living it first.

Just stating a principle, not a judgment.


7 posted on 10/02/2012 5:49:55 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Gamecock
A profit is not without honor except in his hometown and in his own household.

see what I did there

8 posted on 10/02/2012 5:55:08 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Gamecock

Gimme that Old-Time Drive-In Religion

it has a lot lower overhead

9 posted on 10/02/2012 5:58:19 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Jonty30
I mean, he can get any home he can afford

Big religion=big bidness.

10 posted on 10/02/2012 6:05:07 PM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock

Is this the Schuller kid who was on the outs with the Chrystal Cathedral for preaching that sin and repentance thing?


11 posted on 10/02/2012 7:13:58 PM PDT by Lee N. Field (Never argue eschatology with a crazy person.)
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To: Gamecock

“Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head.” (Luke 9:58)”

For $700 a night or $5000 a week he does.


12 posted on 10/02/2012 7:47:31 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Gamecock

I don’t get it.

With all the money these guys were taking in they didn’t create a trust and pay off all their properties and put them in it?


13 posted on 10/03/2012 12:30:44 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome

There was a family dispute among other reasons I think, and after 2012 ends the benefit of paying no taxes on selling low ends. So it was the smart move.


14 posted on 10/03/2012 12:32:49 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Gamecock

What’s really ironic is that Schuller was all about preaching the prosperity gospel. How’s that workin for ya, dude?


15 posted on 10/03/2012 2:33:54 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: circlecity
What’s really ironic is that Schuller was all about preaching the prosperity gospel. How’s that workin for ya, dude?

Isn't the message of the prosperity gospel that prosperity is directly proportional to faith? More faith = more prosperity; lack of faith = lack of prosperity?

Yup, them Schullers were telling the truth after all... that's pretty thick with irony all right. Oops, gee...

16 posted on 10/03/2012 3:06:47 AM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: circlecity; Gamecock; Lee N. Field
Taking a contrary stance -- is there anything good about the prosperity gospel preachers or methods (of course, not the dogma!? To gc and Lee -- I think both the Presbyterians and Catholics should bring in the enthusiasm of the pentecostals and we can learn a lot from the Presbyterians deeper reading of scripture.

But, do you think there is anything worthwhile in the prosperity gospel preachers leaving aside dogma) or would we think its all bad?

17 posted on 10/03/2012 6:43:56 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos
"But, do you think there is anything worthwhile in the prosperity gospel preachers leaving aside dogma) or would we think its all bad?"

You can't separate them from their false gospel. According to Paul such a preacher is accursed. All of the positive things you mention about Catholics, Presbyterians and Penta costals are a result of the power of the true Gospel they preach. Read chapter two of 2 Peter and see if he can find anything good to say about those who would corrupt the Church with a false Gospel.

18 posted on 10/03/2012 6:56:02 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Gamecock

Obviously not very good with numbers - $700 a night or $5,000 a week? What a discount!


19 posted on 10/03/2012 7:03:00 AM PDT by sbMKE
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To: Cronos; circlecity; Gamecock
Taking a contrary stance -- is there anything good about the prosperity gospel preachers or methods (of course, not the dogma!? To gc and Lee -- I think both the Presbyterians and Catholics should bring in the enthusiasm of the pentecostals and we can learn a lot from the Presbyterians deeper reading of scripture.

But, do you think there is anything worthwhile in the prosperity gospel preachers leaving aside dogma) or would we think its all bad?

I'm in the middle of a server install right now, so a detailed answer will need to come later.

Right now, think "poop in the brownies". The presence of the bad trumps whatever is true that might be there.

20 posted on 10/03/2012 12:14:43 PM PDT by Lee N. Field (Never argue eschatology with a crazy person.)
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To: Cronos; Gamecock; Lee N. Field; Dr. Eckleburg
...we can learn a lot from the Presbyterians deeper reading of scripture.

fainted

21 posted on 10/03/2012 1:38:44 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: sbMKE

“I can’t stay here a week - just give me 7 days.”


22 posted on 10/03/2012 1:45:17 PM PDT by freedomlover
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To: Gamecock

Another victim of the Obama economy.


23 posted on 10/03/2012 1:50:58 PM PDT by Mashood
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To: Gamecock

Another victim of the Obama economy.


24 posted on 10/03/2012 1:51:30 PM PDT by Mashood
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To: Gamecock

Another victim of the Obama economy.


25 posted on 10/03/2012 1:51:52 PM PDT by Mashood
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To: Gamecock
The entire family thought they were celebrities and lived like them, milking tens of thousands out of their cash.

Their behind the scenes television production was right out of Hollywood. It was really one big con job.

26 posted on 10/03/2012 1:57:02 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Gamecock

Real estate market went down, who’da thunkit? We were much more careful when we chose our house.

And what’s with “default” here? Couldn’t the Schullers pay cash? With their income, they could easily have bought our house for cash.


27 posted on 10/03/2012 2:32:36 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Optimism is much shallower than hope.)
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To: Alex Murphy

"Alex, dude, wake up. Oh, this is not cool, not cool. Alex!"

28 posted on 10/03/2012 4:29:13 PM PDT by Lee N. Field (Never argue eschatology with a crazy person.)
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To: Cronos
Taking a contrary stance -- is there anything good about the prosperity gospel preachers or methods

No.

It fosters a God owes me mentality.
(Of course I may be missing something....)

I think both the Presbyterians and Catholics should bring in the enthusiasm of the pentecostals

Nah.. Pentecostal worship is manipulative. Loud driving music and screaming just whips people into a frenzy. Ideally what should be seen is a worship environment where those who are broken can find comfort, those who have joy can rejoice. I've seen it done well and it is something to behold. People worshiping from where they are, in the same place.

But, do you think there is anything worthwhile in the prosperity gospel preachers leaving aside dogma) or would we think its all bad?

Sorry. I just can't come up with a thing.....

29 posted on 10/03/2012 4:49:10 PM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock

well, i didnt mean the way of worship but the fervour of individuals


30 posted on 10/04/2012 4:16:10 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos
well, i didnt mean the way of worship but the fervour of individuals

Oh.

Before I answer, how would this fervour manifest itself?

31 posted on 10/05/2012 10:05:30 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock

sorry, right now focused on getting O out — I really believe we now have a good chance. Fight!


32 posted on 10/06/2012 1:06:48 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Gamecock

I see the fervour being in the way of expressing one’s faith in small ways in public and not being ashamed of it. Of being able to calmly talk to a person cursing God and say “this is why what you are doing is wrong” — and this is where it would diverge from pentecostals who by being hyper-aggressive turn the tables on themselves (as witness in Mangalore in India where pamphlets were distributed calling Hindu gods as demons — that didn’t win any converts, rather ruined a lot of calm, persistive work)


33 posted on 10/20/2012 11:26:13 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Gamecock

In theory he will short sell the property, ONLY if the mortgage holders agree, and he proves he does not have financial assets to make good on his promises to pay.

And the lenders will expect appraised market value.


34 posted on 10/20/2012 11:35:49 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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