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Pregnant and homeless on the doorsteps of a Christian megachurch
lsn ^ | 10/6/2012 | Abby Johnson

Posted on 10/06/2012 5:45:50 PM PDT by Morgana

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1 posted on 10/06/2012 5:45:55 PM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

Faith with out works is dead! James.


2 posted on 10/06/2012 5:50:17 PM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: Morgana

The gay activists and adult club owners occasionally protest my church.

Our pastor takes cold bottles of water out to them. They don’t come as much anymore.


3 posted on 10/06/2012 5:50:27 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Morgana

“Non-denominational”+Megachurch= watered down Christianity afraid to offend the Godless.


4 posted on 10/06/2012 5:51:37 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

Yes.

The good news, without the inconvenient repentance part.


5 posted on 10/06/2012 5:58:26 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Morgana

My niece told me that the house next to the church the husband died and the pastor went over to express his condolences.
The widow said you never once came over when he was sick and in need, so get the hell out of my house.
She said it was the most moving sermon she had ever heard, the man was broken by his lack of “getting to know his neighbors”.
She said he decided that every house with in a square mile from the church would be visited personally by him, because that widow was right and he had failed her and her husband.
Anyway, I not sure it is the mega church is the problem but people can lose themselves in the crowd and they escape personal involvement. They can go to church, be a regular, give a dollar or two and think ‘that’s all they need to do’.
More is asked of us.


6 posted on 10/06/2012 6:02:14 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: GeronL
one person's possibly uninformed statement ~ and that triggers a rant.

Could be ~ maybe it isn't. There is insufficient evidence in this piece to condemn that particular megachurch, but let's say they believe in abortion in there ~ they'd not really be Christian in the first place, so the rant is wasted.

Anyone have any real information on this story or is it just something written according to a formula.

Not to be cynical, but we are asked to condemn these people on third or fourth-hand testimony.

7 posted on 10/06/2012 6:08:27 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: GeronL

I can assure you that my “Non-denominational” + Megachurch is not watered down Christianity and we are not afraid to offend the Godless. Sounds like you are judging us all. Sad!


8 posted on 10/06/2012 6:09:50 PM PDT by NativeTxn
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To: NativeTxn; GeronL

With out say exactly who, (small town, one room baptist churches) have often told me they are upset with these mega churches because they, the mega churches are stealing all their members. Most of these small town churches are lucky to seat 50 people (mostly family or somehow related) on a good night, maybe 200 during a week long revival. I am not sure of the reason/s as to why the mega churches are attracting these people but to be honest I believe they just want a change from the small town inbreed incestuous church they left.


9 posted on 10/06/2012 6:34:32 PM PDT by Morgana (Time to play cowboys and muslims.)
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To: muawiyah

I agree.


10 posted on 10/06/2012 6:43:23 PM PDT by utahagen
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To: Morgana

I am not saying it applies here but...

There was a woman and she was living in a women’s shelter here in the states with her three young boys. She was from Africa and had been married to a fairly wealthy German, she was fleeing an abusive husband in Germany. That’s how she ended up in the USA. So the story goes...

While in the women’s shelter, she met another woman who was staying at the women’s shelter who was also from Africa but had become a nurse and a citizen of the USA. When the abusive boyfriend was cleared from the citizen woman’s home, she left the shelter and returned home, taking the other woman and her 3 kids with her.

This African/German woman and her three kids made the other lady happy, as she has no children and she thought they could all be like a little family. She could help them as the African/German lady went to school and the children could be in a good school and stable environment.

This that and the other happened and the African/German lady started complaining to a church she had started attending. She said the other lady was cruel, crazy...you name it (it was quite a story). Of course the church was worried for this woman, so they helped her move out of that house and found a church member who was able to house the lady and her children.

Once at the church members house, she didn’t want to care for her children, became demanding about being taken here there and yonder, wanted to drive the vehicles even though she had no license. Wanted internet hooked up to the garage apartment, instead of using the library computers. Had a strange man come to the house late at night. You get the picture.

Turns out the school overlooked needed paperwork for the children, to ensure they could be in school and because they wanted to help, just like the church. A US man had paid this woman’s way and shipped her stuff here to the USA. She had done this before— it was France that she had run off to before. The German father was looking for his children. She had kidnapped them (parent abduction).

She had other stuff going on with the courts here, too. She had somehow married the man who paid her way here but she had said he was abusive, too and she was trying to get that annulled or he was...it was all just crazy. Oh, and it turns out that the stuff the church helped the lady move out of the home of the other woman, well some of it belonged to the other woman. So the church helped this lady with theft.

Were the men abusive to her? I don’t know. I do know that this was abusive to others that she came into contact with, that were just trying to be Christian and helpful. She took advantage of everyone and wanted more. She was neglectful to her children. She was a scam artist.

They endangered a older, single woman church member in doing this. The church changed their policy on how they help. Churches do need to be careful as well as helpful.


11 posted on 10/06/2012 6:43:52 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Morgana

My experience has been this: a new church forms and the new pastor is young and the music is the entertainment and live band praise chorus style that the small town churches have yet to adopt. At first, a few young families leave to join the new church, then the trickle becomes a flood as the young people all follow their friends to the new church. The older church is left with the aging faithful, struggling to afford a full time pastor.
The new churches offer a gym and basketball and all sorts of programs for the kids because they have the numbers.


12 posted on 10/06/2012 6:49:12 PM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: Morgana

Wow, small Christian churches are places of incest and inbreeding?


13 posted on 10/06/2012 6:54:20 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Morgana
honest I believe they just want a change from the small town inbreed incestuous church they left

and that doesn't sound stereotyped at all, lol

14 posted on 10/06/2012 6:54:20 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Wiser now

This is the problem with mega churches, they are entertaining their congregation rather than preaching the gospel/cross and saving the congregation.


15 posted on 10/06/2012 6:55:56 PM PDT by YukonGreen
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To: Irenic

bump


16 posted on 10/06/2012 6:58:15 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: ansel12

What, you mean you’ve never been to the Tuesday Night Incest Services or Wednesday Night Orgies? The coleslaw is excellent, by the way.

//extreme sarcasm


17 posted on 10/06/2012 6:59:47 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Morgana

Christian maternity home and program founded by Christians in Ocean County, NJ to provide a place for women like this:

http://www.graceinitiatives.org


18 posted on 10/06/2012 7:08:57 PM PDT by exit82 (Pass the word: Obama is a FAILURE!! Democrats are the enemies of freedom!)
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To: Irenic

Yup, I’ve been in two churches now where similar things have happened. We have to be wise as a serpent, gentle as a dove. I used to run a Food Closet for our church for the neighborhood, and I got to know the clients. Some few would hang around church on Sundays looking for money/ handouts, telling ‘sad tales.’ People would ask me, ‘Should I help him?” And I’d say, “I can tell you, word for word, his story. I personally do not believe it.’

Sentimentality can get one in so much trouble.


19 posted on 10/06/2012 7:09:32 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: Morgana
With out say exactly who, (small town, one room baptist churches) have often told me they are upset with these mega churches because they, the mega churches are stealing all their members. Most of these small town churches are lucky to seat 50 people (mostly family or somehow related) on a good night, maybe 200 during a week long revival. I am not sure of the reason/s as to why the mega churches are attracting these people but to be honest I believe they just want a change from the small town inbreed incestuous church they left.

Pro_8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

I'm sure you'll just read this and smirk at how "perfect" you are .
20 posted on 10/06/2012 7:18:19 PM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: bboop
Sentimentality can get one in so much trouble.

Which reminds me of that great old quote from Oscar Wilde, "Sentimentality is loving people more than God would."

21 posted on 10/06/2012 7:36:12 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Obama better hope a Kicked Ass is covered under Obamacare. -- Dennis Miller re debate 1)
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To: ansel12

You’d almost think so. Some church here are composed of mostly family and in-laws. Kinda like Westboro baptist is. No joke! It is hard being in a church like that because you make someone angry and the whole place is P!ssed at you. It is incestuous and you come up with retards.


22 posted on 10/06/2012 7:38:01 PM PDT by Morgana (Time to play cowboys and muslims.)
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To: bboop

Sentimentality can get one in so much trouble.
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Indeed. It can also be harmful at times just handing out money. Some people are in shelters or programs and they are getting help. When given cash they may abandon the help they were receiving for drugs and the street.

I think it is always handy to have a few printed cards of places to get help, shelters, food, and such. Share the good news, offer to arrange for them to get to or contact a source of help. Donate to the places that specialize in this help.


23 posted on 10/06/2012 7:40:45 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: muawiyah

Could be ~ maybe it isn’t. There is insufficient evidence in this piece to condemn that particular megachurch...


Or, put another way, “judge not, lest ye be judged”.


25 posted on 10/06/2012 7:42:06 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: GeronL

Look me up if you are ever in my area. I will take you to one such place.


26 posted on 10/06/2012 7:45:12 PM PDT by Morgana (Time to play cowboys and muslims.)
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To: Morgana

lol


27 posted on 10/06/2012 7:46:22 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Morgana

She prayed. And God sent her you.


28 posted on 10/06/2012 7:51:11 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I am NOT from Vermont. I am from MA. And I don't support Romney. Please read before "assuming.")
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To: GeronL

Painting with a pretty broad brush aren’t you?


29 posted on 10/06/2012 8:08:57 PM PDT by jettester (I got paid to break 'em - not fly 'em)
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To: Morgana

My church has 3 or 4 requests per week from people who say they are stranded or in some emergency but when they are asked for some reference say from their home church they are unable to provide one name or number. The truth is there are many, many scam artists who go from church to church asking for money....We are not hard hearted but have grown wise....


30 posted on 10/06/2012 8:11:51 PM PDT by virgil283 (telling the truth is a revolutionary act)
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To: Morgana

For some, I think they want to be lost in a crowd and not have to bugged or asked to serve.


31 posted on 10/06/2012 8:11:51 PM PDT by taterjay
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To: Morgana

We have a lot of small churches like that, we call them Hayes churches. They had 22 children and they started a church and then some disagreed and started their own church and it still goes on and on. There are probably 15 or 16 churches and most of them have about 15 members and most of them are related.


32 posted on 10/06/2012 8:12:44 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Morgana

Wow, you really are quite amazing.


33 posted on 10/06/2012 8:14:56 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: virgil283

I work in a church and while we use our own judgement sometimes we mostly send them to a clearing house type charity that we donate to.


34 posted on 10/06/2012 8:17:35 PM PDT by tiki
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These women who are pregnant and homeless need to come to a Catholic Church. Most cities have shelters for pregnant women so they can keep their babies.

Depending on the age of the mother, the mother and baby may stay there until she gets her feet back on the ground. My church often donates food to the three shelters in our city.


35 posted on 10/06/2012 8:22:22 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Morgana
Luke 10:29 But he, wanting to justify himself, said to Jesus, "And who is my neighbor?" 30 Then Jesus answered and said: "A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, who stripped him of his clothing, wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead. 31 Now by chance a certain priest came down that road. And when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. 32 Likewise a Levite, when he arrived at the place, came and looked, and passed by on the other side. 33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was. And when he saw him, he had compassion. 34 So he went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine; and he set him on his own animal, brought him to an inn, and took care of him. 35 On the next day, when he departed, he took out two denarii, gave them to the innkeeper, and said to him, 'Take care of him; and whatever more you spend, when I come again, I will repay you.' 36 So which of these three do you think was neighbor to him who fell among the thieves?" 37 And he said, "He who showed mercy on him." Then Jesus said to him, "Go and do likewise."

We understand the salvation formula as:
DEEDS => LOVE => FAITH => SALVATION

Salvation is at the end of the path, not at Baptism.

36 posted on 10/06/2012 9:23:43 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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Wonder if Heather ever talks to local churches offering the knowledge that she has so carefully acquired as director?

Been there, done that regarding local missions, at small and big churches.

As others have noted, scam artists appear quite often. Some of my friends caught TB from street missions. We offered to help with several pregnancies, and a local doctor offered rooms in a private clinic, not the county hospital.

Very few took us up on our help. Our strings - no drug use, no alcohol and take vitamins every day. Meals provided if they would show up.

We also tried family intervention ministries - with cops who attended our church. Turned out that one of our detectives recognized several of the people we were trying to help as gang bangers, professional thieves and serious druggies.

Heather, before you criticize the church, talk to them. Perhaps no one thought to talk to the “lady” as you did, or maybe they did not see her - it took you several single minded attempts to discover her story.

37 posted on 10/06/2012 10:00:15 PM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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I have heard all the excuses from churches for not helping people from:

" Your not a member of this church ? no ? then we can't help you "

to

" we got people who are more of a priority " i.e. single women, or women with children are top priority: single men ? need not apply.

to

" you got to learn to live within your means " in other words, tuff crappy. .....



This sounds like a case of: let someone else help YOUitous.

I don't know, but, doesn't the bible tell us that ? if you don't help a christian brother in need, where is the love of God in you ?

No wonder non-christians, and christians have been turned off by the so called church.

Phonies.... it's more like us 4 and no more social club... no different than the worldly people other than the title on the sign outside the church.

Jesus said that when you have done it unto the least of these, you have also done it unto me.


38 posted on 10/06/2012 11:38:09 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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" several of the people we were trying to help as gang bangers, professional thieves and serious druggies "

Was that the church members ? or those who came to the church for help ? OPPS !

Jesus Christ healed everyone who came to him, he feed the 5,000 regardless of what they have done, where they came from or the sins they maybe in bondage to.

39 posted on 10/06/2012 11:55:54 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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There are scam artists, lairs, cheaters, hustlers inside the church, and outside the church, what's the difference ?

Many of Pastors are money grubbing scam artist.
40 posted on 10/06/2012 11:58:43 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: Morgana

The only “ SINS “ that the works based, hellfire and brimstone, preach against “ SIN “ preachers don’t preach against is his or her own.


41 posted on 10/07/2012 12:13:54 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: Morgana
"but to be honest I believe they just want a change from the small town inbreed incestuous church they left."

Or maybe they are just unregenerate self-absorbed worldly people who prefer an entertaining social club over worshiping the Lord.

42 posted on 10/07/2012 4:38:06 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: cuban leaf

not really. there might well be something to ‘judge’ in this but the evidence wasn’t presented. most likely this is just another attack on megachurches ~ or cathedrals ~ I can hear the peasants of Beauvais rallying under their torches and pitchforks ‘Zoot alors ~ zee Cathedral will take all the good priests and who will attend st wilhelmina’s chapel in the future’?


43 posted on 10/07/2012 5:30:59 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: GeronL
>>>“Non-denominational”+Megachurch= watered down Christianity afraid to offend the Godless.

WOW! Talking about throwing the baby out with the bath-water. How about this: If you are interested...freepmail me and I will give you the website of my "mega-church." There...you can watch our teacing pastor from just Wed night (or any night) offend the Godless. You can also watch our senior pastor as he offends the Godless...by preaching the gospel the way the apostles did. OR...if you are in the area...you can come into our connection center. PRETEND you are Godless and see if you don't get offended.

Sitting in a small church where the preacher does nothing but preach the same sermon to "the choir"...and doesn't reach anyone for the Gospel doesn't make you right. I hear SO MANY people talk like you.

I simply ask them: How many people have YOU led to Christ this month? This week? How many people have placed their faith in Christ because of YOU? For me...in the last few weeks its been 5. I am in touch with all of them and discipling them. One of them was gloriously saved after a suicide attempt (a real one...not a fake-out).

Are you leading people to Christ...or just being critical?

44 posted on 10/07/2012 5:47:46 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: Morgana
James 2:14-:

"What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and be filled," and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that? Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself."

NO cheers, unfortunately.

45 posted on 10/07/2012 5:49:48 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: tiki
We have a lot of small churches like that, we call them Hayes churches. They had 22 children and they started a church and then some disagreed and started their own church and it still goes on and on. There are probably 15 or 16 churches and most of them have about 15 members and most of them are related.

Try reading the chapter "Protestant" in Garrison Keillor's Lake Wobegon Days...

Cheers!

46 posted on 10/07/2012 5:54:38 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: YukonGreen

The more I think about this story, the more it sounds like a hit piece.
It’s very vagueness is suspicious. These women could be discussing any church in Austin and I believe that is the idea behind the story. As in “all Christians are selfish phonies”. Not for a minute do I believe any chuch would stop with taking the woman to lunch then allowing her to go back out on the street.
I am even questioning the likelihood of the woman wondering around the church and making no effort to find help for herself. Unless she is mentally challeneged people just are not that ignorant.
Finally, the story about the pastor who vowed to visit every home within a square mile of his church is also questionable. In reality, that is not humanly posible in an urban setting; he would have time for nothing else.


47 posted on 10/07/2012 6:35:08 AM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: NativeTxn

I’m still trying to figure out how a pregnant and homeless woman is that church’s fault.


48 posted on 10/07/2012 6:37:39 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Irenic
We work with the homeless by accident.A lady gave out our cards to them so I get to know them.Some want to remain that way and we help them with food and clothes.Others lost their jobs and landed on the street.Women can get placed right away.It's harder for the men.I can say it takes an interfaith coalition to help these people get housing-God bless them. But if everyone works together miracles happen.I have seen it .
49 posted on 10/07/2012 6:48:44 AM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: muawiyah

Yes, that is part of the reason I said it. It was an attack. We all serve the Lord in different ways and some will be left with more than others as their works are tested by fire. Some will escape with only their eternal soul. 1 Cor 3:15


50 posted on 10/07/2012 8:31:21 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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