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Sons of Perdition: How Certain Catholic Priests Turned the Kennedys Pro-Abortion
Patrick Madrid's Blog ^ | 10/4/12 | Patrick Madrid

Posted on 10/08/2012 8:13:53 AM PDT by marshmallow

Awhile back, The Wall Street Journal ran a fascinating and deeply saddening article exploring the reasons behind the Kennedy Family’s staunch pro-abortion position.

Believe it or not, Ted Kennedy used to be pro-life.

So how did he and all the other prominent Kennedys swing so far in the wrong direction? For that matter, what about some of the other Catholic pro-abortion zealots in (or recently in) high public office, such as Nancy Pelosi, Mario Cuomo, and Tom Daschle? What happened to them?

(NB: I originally posted this blog entry on January 2, 2009. Given all the chattering right now from Catholics who feel they can vote for pro-abortion candidates with impunity and without compromising their Catholic identity (and without committing sin), I post it again because of its pertinence to the late Ted Kennedy’s life and legacy, such as it was.)

This article alleges that it was was an intentional, systematic, concerted effort on the part of a group of dissenting Catholic theologians (including Fr. Richard McCormick, Fr. Charles Curran, Fr. Joseph Fuchs, Fr. Robert Drinan, and Fr. John Courtney Murray), who spent a good deal of of time with the Kennedys in the mid 1960s employing bogus moral theology arguments to convince them they could “accept and promote abortion with a clear conscience.” Once this was accomplished, these same Judas priests undertook to literally coach the Kennedy’s on what to say and how to vote in favor of abortion in their public lives.

Given the Kennedys’ enormous influence over American politics, it’s diabolically logical for those dissenting Catholic theologians to have targeted this renowned and respected Catholic family for “conversion.” They were in the perfect position to persuade other Catholics, and even many Protestants, that it’s okay to be pro-abortion.

And this strategy worked so well that, today, it.....

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TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: abortion; catholic; cultureofdeath; kennedys; theswimmer

1 posted on 10/08/2012 8:14:02 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
These "priests," Fr. Richard McCormick, Fr. Charles Curran, Fr. Joseph Fuchs, Fr. Robert Drinan, and Fr. John Courtney Murray ....
2 posted on 10/08/2012 8:18:18 AM PDT by Ken522
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To: Ken522

Wasn’t Drinan the one who got elected to Congress? If so Pope JP II forced him to step down.


3 posted on 10/08/2012 8:26:56 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: marshmallow

The Church should excommunicate politicians that back abortion.


4 posted on 10/08/2012 8:28:22 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: marshmallow
Chicken and egg. Did the priests convince the Kennedys or did the politics of the Democratic party convince them and then they searched for heretical priests to provide cover?
5 posted on 10/08/2012 8:34:23 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Big Bird is a brood parasite: laid in our nest 43 years ago and we are still feeding him.)
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To: marshmallow
I realize that this is a 2009 article, but the author said:
And this strategy worked so well that, today, it is virtually impossible to find a Catholic politician holding national public office who is pro-life.
At the time I think that Rick Santorum was still in office, and certainly Paul Ryan was in office -- two of the most pro-life politicians in recent memory. Oh, wait a minute. Maybe the author meant DEMOCRAT Catholic pro-life politicians are impossible to find. That certainly would be true, but REPUBLICAN Catholic pro-life politicians abound..., thanks be to God.
6 posted on 10/08/2012 8:38:26 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: marshmallow

No question that most of those priests were trouble-making heretics. I’m not so sure about Fr. John Courtney Murray. He was a “modernist,” all right. But his writings are a good deal more nuanced, and I’m not at all sure that he was a heretic. Certainly not a deliberate heretic and Church-underminer like the others. He was often cited by others as an excuse for their dissident ways, but it’s not always clear that he really supported them.

Just a sidenote, in a way. Otherwise, the article is certainly true. Although, to be frank, the Kennedys were mobsters, and they were extremely willing to violate Church teachings if it suited them. It didn’t take much to twist them around.


7 posted on 10/08/2012 9:03:46 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: marshmallow

I don’t respect them. The kennedy’s decided to descend into evil after inviting evil into their lives. There is no excuse.


8 posted on 10/08/2012 9:04:04 AM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Ken522
The Kennedy's didn't really need a priest or two, or even a dozen to tell them that abortion is a convenient way to get rid of embarrassing grandchilluns' ~ they just looked to their father who had their possibly wayward sister LOBOTOMIZED as a guide to their own morality.

The entire Kennedy crowd including relatives, hangers on, running dog lackeys and in-laws are EVIL

9 posted on 10/08/2012 9:29:34 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: marshmallow

“Personally, I am against abortion, but the courts have ruled on this issue.”
The psychopaths that run the Democrat party believe that our planet can only support 30 million people. The fact that it currently supports billions of people is quite an inconvenient truth for them. They are getting old and they realize that abortion will not reduce the world population to the level they want it to be. What next? Death panels? Once you start down that road, where do you draw the line? And the Moslems are smiling all the while.


10 posted on 10/08/2012 9:29:42 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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Kennedy pro-life letter

11 posted on 10/08/2012 9:40:54 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: KarlInOhio
With the RC Church it all about the money. The hierarchy made a financial decision to make certain the donation flow from this group Kennedy, Pelosi, and their misguided followers ad nauseum would continue to flow.

The RC Church is not the oldest most profitable multinational corporation in human history for altruistic reasons.

12 posted on 10/08/2012 10:12:12 AM PDT by slapshot ("Were not gonna take it anymore" Twisted Sister)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Wasn’t Drinan the one who got elected to Congress? If so Pope JP II forced him to step down.

He endorsed and was succeeded by Barney Frank.

13 posted on 10/08/2012 10:20:15 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: afraidfortherepublic

You are right about that fact that pro-life GOP legistlators are abundant as opposed to their counterparts in the Democrat party.

Actually, in 2009 there were still some Catholic pro-lifers in the US Congress (not in the Senate). Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi purged the party of the last vestige when the double crossed Bart Stupak (ambushed him might be a better term.) The die was cast earlier when the Catholic, ,pro-life governor of Pennsylvania, Bob Casey (Senior) asked to speak to the Dem. convention being held in NYC in 1996, but was denied.

Now there are no Catholic Democrats who are pro-life anywhere near to Washington DC circles.


14 posted on 10/08/2012 10:42:24 AM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: slapshot
With the RC Church it all about the money. The hierarchy made a financial decision to make certain the donation flow from this group Kennedy, Pelosi, and their misguided followers ad nauseum would continue to flow.

And what is it you allege the hierarchy did to keep donations flowing?

15 posted on 10/08/2012 11:01:51 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: NYer
ping
16 posted on 10/08/2012 11:04:08 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Today comes this article on Drudge http://www.france24.com/en/20121007-catholic-leaders-gather-counter-decline-faith


17 posted on 10/08/2012 11:11:24 AM PDT by Digger (A)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

A heart breaking read of what democrats use to believe, even the old timer union members. Exemplary of all Christian denominations of any serious doctrine, until birth control pills became the campus rage.


18 posted on 10/08/2012 11:17:17 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY)
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To: Digger
Interesting article - but what connection do you see to this thread?
19 posted on 10/08/2012 11:26:41 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Digger

It is the secularized world that has penetrated the Church in the West that will be discussed. We see the establishment of Catholics-in-name-only running amok, piercing the pious and devout Catholic who see the attempt to extinguish the light of Christ in His Church on earth as an expected and increasing satanic attack.

We were not without warning. We are preparing for persecution and pray to stand, keeping our eyes on things above and not on earth. Many will fall.


20 posted on 10/08/2012 11:41:25 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY)
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To: KarlInOhio; Ken522; Buckeye McFrog; TigerClaws; marshmallow; afraidfortherepublic; Cicero; ...
Chicken and egg. Did the priests convince the Kennedys or did the politics of the Democratic party convince them...?

Following the comments from the above article, I found this telling story of a Communist Party USA plant who later recoverted to her Catholic roots. She testified before Congress that hundreds of priests were trained to be planted in the RC seminaries and Church heirarchy by CPUSA, starting around the time of the FDR administration.

Bella Dodd wrote her testimony in book form as well, and claimed that several reached the level of Cardinal. It is no stretch to imagine that the CP international sent "priests" into seminaries from every country. The commie old-timers have doubtless been sitting back enjoying the "fruits" of their labors in the worldwide priest scandals; but that's just the tip of the iceberg. I believe this Pope is sincere and stalwart against heresy and internal crime. But how far has it gone?

Bella Dodd — From Communist to Catholic

21 posted on 10/08/2012 12:16:29 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Obama better hope a Kicked Ass is covered under Obamacare. -- Dennis Miller re debate 1)
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To: Albion Wilde
My Bella Dodd link will not open. Here's a different one - click this link, then click on the story title:

Bella Dodd — From Communist to Catholic

22 posted on 10/08/2012 12:33:56 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Obama better hope a Kicked Ass is covered under Obamacare. -- Dennis Miller re debate 1)
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To: slapshot

slapshot all about ebonics.


23 posted on 10/08/2012 12:39:11 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Albion Wilde
Thanks for the info. Yes the church was quite heavily infiltrated by marxists. As was/is much of our society. The vast majority of our problems can be laid at the feet of marxist agitation. We need to do what Chile did to the Sob’s. If not we will loose our freedom and with it the world will loose whatever freedom they have left.
24 posted on 10/08/2012 4:00:31 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Wow. Thank you for posting that letter.

It's amazing how someone who became known as a pro-abortionist could once have written an apparently solid pro-life letter like that.

Let us all take heed to ourselves that we not be the next to stumble.

25 posted on 10/09/2012 9:25:42 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: Albion Wilde

Thanks. Read this in the article. Even with that, isn’t it likely that a moderately intelligent, alcoholic, adulterer could figure it out over the course of his life? Make no mistake, the kennedy’s made their fortune bootlegging during prohibition. They are part and parcel of the evil forces in the world.


26 posted on 10/10/2012 6:54:39 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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