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Will Romney's security hinder Mormon temple visits?
Independent Mail ^ | October 9, 2012 | THOMAS BURR

Posted on 10/09/2012 10:35:30 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

Mitt Romney has gone to church several times since the Secret Service began guarding the Republican nominee, but he's yet to take in the more sacred Mormon rite: visiting an LDS temple.

As the first Mormon heading a major-party presidential ticket, Romney's newfound position with a Secret Service detail raises a question of how his around-the-clock protection would affect his ability to visit The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' most holy buildings.

While the general public can worship at an LDS meetinghouse, only church members in good standing are allowed inside temples, including one just outside Washington, D.C., in a Maryland suburb.

"There's no way the Secret Service is going to put up with that (restriction), with all due respect," says Ronald Kessler, author of "In the President's Secret Service: Behind the Scenes With Agents in the Line of Fire and the Presidents They Protect." "They will get permission and, of course, the church will understand and want him protected. They will go in."

Kessler says protectees, like presidents or presidential candidates, get a say in the level of security they need, though they also understand the threats against them at all times and are smart enough to know it would be too risky to go it alone.

"It would be ludicrous if his Secret Service couldn't protect him in any area like that where there are so many people. He would be a perfect target," Kessler says. "Even Mormons can be criminals."

Romney's campaign referred questions about the candidate's security detail to the Secret Service, which also declined comment, noting that it doesn't speak publicly about its means and methods of securing its charges.

LDS Church spokesman Scott Trotter, likewise, said the church wouldn't comment on security matters.

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Mitt Romney has gone to church several times since the Secret Service began guarding the Republican nominee, but he's yet to take in the more sacred Mormon rite: visiting an LDS temple.

As the first Mormon heading a major-party presidential ticket, Romney's newfound position with a Secret Service detail raises a question of how his around-the-clock protection would affect his ability to visit The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' most holy buildings. While the general public can worship at an LDS meetinghouse, only church members in good standing are allowed inside temples, including one just outside Washington, D.C., in a Maryland suburb.

Excerpted, as the original source is the Salt Lake Tribune.

1 posted on 10/09/2012 10:35:38 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

The Mormon Church would be wise to find a way around this rule lest it be seen as preventing a member from worshiping.There’s no way that a President would...or should...*ever* be with SS protection.Not even for a millisecond.


2 posted on 10/09/2012 10:39:42 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: Alex Murphy

That’s just silly. It’s not as if they couldn’t make an exception for the POTUS or that there isn’t a single Morman in the secret service or that he could merely not attend a super duper secret temple meeting.


3 posted on 10/09/2012 10:42:01 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Alex Murphy

The Mormon Church will be happy to do whatever Bishop Romney tells them. Especially since there was an early prophecy about a Mormon leader becoming Potus.

This certainly won’t be a problem.


4 posted on 10/09/2012 10:42:23 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Alex Murphy

I’d pay for a secret service memoir about all the batshit insane stuff Romney and his charlatan cult believe in.

Oh damn, just noticed this was in religion, so it’ll get deleted.


5 posted on 10/09/2012 10:43:16 AM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: Alex Murphy

“Even Mormons can be criminals.”
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and also Democrats...

Harry Reid who is just as Liberal as Willard is also a temple mormon...

They can go into the temple and do the secret thingies together...

How cozy...


6 posted on 10/09/2012 10:43:31 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: bgill

Flame post guaranteed to bring out FR’s Mormon hating contingent.


7 posted on 10/09/2012 10:44:07 AM PDT by Blackirish
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To: Alex Murphy
I find it hard to believe that there is no one in the Secret Service with a temple recommend.
8 posted on 10/09/2012 10:45:57 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Gay State Conservative

Do you think there might be a member or two within the ranks of the secret service ?

Also, I had dealings with the Church’s security dept while running security for a hotel in SLC.

Their intel was always the best and their people were VERY well trained.


9 posted on 10/09/2012 10:47:11 AM PDT by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: Blackirish

Worked on me!


10 posted on 10/09/2012 10:47:20 AM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: whattajoke
I’d pay for a secret service memoir about all the bat**** insane stuff Romney and his charlatan cult believe in.

i had some lds door knockers come by last weekend, and being that i know little about lds, i scheduled a sit down with them so i could learn something about the guy i'll probably end up being stuck voting for.
11 posted on 10/09/2012 10:47:53 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: Tennessee Nana

What a disgusting post.


12 posted on 10/09/2012 10:49:03 AM PDT by pgkdan (A vote for anyone but Romney is a vote for obama. GO MITT!!)
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To: Alex Murphy

Regardless of one’s feelings about MormonISM (plenty of dissent here on this forum), the one thing you can say is that it is refreshing that one could actually expect that this potential President of the United States would have to deal with the exceptions of his position and the desire to attend a church regularly.

This is something we CLEARLY HAVEN’T HAD TO OR WILL NEED TO WORRY ABOUT WITH OBAMA......he doesn’t need to; he carries his prayer rug wherever he goes.


13 posted on 10/09/2012 10:51:19 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gay State Conservative

This seems to presume there aren’t plenty of LSD SS agents. Unlikely. Practicing LSD are perfect candidates for SS.


14 posted on 10/09/2012 10:52:45 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Alex Murphy

Maybe he can drum up a Mormom SS detail for just that purpose.


15 posted on 10/09/2012 10:53:44 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: Blackirish
Closed meetings of any sort be it the local city council, the school board, a church, or a business is ridiculous, imo. Smells fishy. What are they hiding?

Any pres would do himself good to attend various denominational services with the First Family.

16 posted on 10/09/2012 10:53:52 AM PDT by bgill
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To: maine yankee
Do you think there might be a member or two within the ranks of the secret service ?

Very possible.But I think it would be irresponsible for the SS to assign agents to the President on the basis of religion...only competence and experience.

Their intel was always the best and their people were VERY well trained.

Yes,the SS could certainly cooperate with Church officials but they need to run the show.If anyone "bends" on this issue it must be the Church.There's gotta be a way...I can't imagine the Church wanting any world leader to be endangered due to his/her attendance.

17 posted on 10/09/2012 10:55:46 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: EDINVA
Practicing LSD are perfect candidates for SS.

I don't know.

I thought cavorting in Columbian cathouses was now a prerequisite for service.

18 posted on 10/09/2012 10:55:50 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: pgkdan

Get used to it. You know it’s coming.


19 posted on 10/09/2012 10:56:50 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: EDINVA
This seems to presume there aren’t plenty of LSD SS agents. Unlikely. Practicing LSD are perfect candidates for SS.

See post #17.

20 posted on 10/09/2012 10:57:33 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: pgkdan

What buffoonery. I can’t decide what is more idiotic: the article or going to the trouble to post it.


21 posted on 10/09/2012 10:57:56 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Alex Murphy
Not any more than the security Baracchio now needs to visit a "Planned Abortionhood" Temple Clinic.
22 posted on 10/09/2012 11:04:19 AM PDT by rfp1234
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To: bgill

Willard cant go to a Christian Church...

as a Mormon he has to go to the religous services of his own religio0n...

Mormons are not Christians...

They dont believe in the Trinty or that the LORD Jesus Christ is God...

It would be more convenient is Willartd was to go across the street to the Christian church the Bushes and the Clintons etc attended...

But woulod you expect a Hindu or a Moslem to attemnd a Christian church...

Even though Willard doesnt seem to attend the Mormon services regularily he should feel free to visit the “Surrender Dorothy” temple in DC...

(Some wag always sprays the overhang near the DC Mormon temle with those words...

Mormon temples look like the Emerald City...

:)

Anyhoo Im sure there will be SS who are Mormon who can go with...

No “apostate” would be allowed into the secret rooms of the temple...

even parents cant go in to attend their childrens temple weddings if they have no “tempple recommend”

Ann Romneys parents were not Mormons so they never got to see her married...

Its strict so I doube there will be any special accommendations for the SS of the Mormon president..


23 posted on 10/09/2012 11:05:08 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: EDINVA

Did you mean LDS, not LSD?


24 posted on 10/09/2012 11:05:17 AM PDT by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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To: Cicero
Especially since there was an early prophecy about a Mormon leader becoming Potus.

The White Horse Prophecy was repudiated by the LDS Church in 1918.

In December 2009, the LDS Church issued a statement in December 2009 that:

"The so-called 'White Horse Prophecy' is based on accounts that have not been substantiated by historical research and is not embraced as Church doctrine."

The history of the White Horse Prophecy is much more complicated. I'm happy to discuss that if you wish, but only in a historical context. I'm not interested in addressing LDS theology.

25 posted on 10/09/2012 11:13:53 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: knittnmom

hahahaha, YES !!!!

That’s what happens when I spend an entire morning battling with my newly updated computer!


26 posted on 10/09/2012 11:15:45 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: EDINVA

Auto-correct, gotta love it. ;-)


27 posted on 10/09/2012 11:18:22 AM PDT by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Absurd, bigotted response #2 Nana


28 posted on 10/09/2012 11:21:28 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Islam is a religion AND a political system. There is no separation of church and state in Islam)
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To: Alex Murphy

Since all Mormons are not worthy of getting inside the temples, aren’t there church services for the lowly Mormons, which Romney could also attend with normal Secret Service protection? Or are the worthy Mormons banned from associating with the non-worthy?


29 posted on 10/09/2012 11:35:46 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: Tennessee Nana

“It would be more convenient is Willartd [sic] was to go across the street to the Christian church the Bushes and the Clintons etc attended...”

Neither the Bushes nor Clintons regularly attended the Christian Church across the street. That church (St. John’s) is Episcopal; both Clintons and Bushes practice Methodism, and attended Foundry UMC far more frequently.

St. John’s is so very Christian that when Secy. Sebelius recently attended a forum there and a pro-lifer presented a respectful question challenging her implementation of Obama care, that pro-lifer was boo’d by some congregants.


30 posted on 10/09/2012 11:36:01 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt; Tennessee Nana

Absurd, bigoted posts are all she ever puts up.

I’m surprised she hasn’t whipped out one of her canned rants demonizing Mormons, quoting spurious “history”. She has quite a supply.


31 posted on 10/09/2012 11:36:07 AM PDT by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: Alex Murphy

I’ve met 2 Secret Service guys, and they were both Mormon. I think they are over-represented, just as in law enforcement and the military. This shouldn;t be too hard to overcome.


32 posted on 10/09/2012 11:36:50 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

“Absurd, bigotted response #2 Nana”

.. and yet you couldn’t point to a single false statement in her post, a single absurd statement?


33 posted on 10/09/2012 11:47:41 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Sorry, gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international. Gone.)
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To: Alex Murphy
I wonder, do they allow general electricians and other crafts in or do they have to be temple-recommended? Any facility needs lots of maintenance. If there is an absolute inviolable restriction I don't believe they will make an exception for non-temple-recommended SS. He wouldn't be able to go in.

I have never believed Bishop Romney was a sincere Mormon -- regardless of his title -- just as I know Pelosi et al aren't genuine Catholics. These people are frauds in the face of God. They could not advocate for the death of the unborn and depravity among adults if they were sincere and Holy Spirit-guided.

34 posted on 10/09/2012 11:48:14 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: Alex Murphy

The SS will never be allowed into the inner secret temple room.


35 posted on 10/09/2012 11:52:50 AM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

This is not a rule.
Romney can go to any ward.
No one is permitted into the secret temple unless they have been demeaned worthy of a TR.
Romney could get SS that are TRed and then it wouldn’t be an issue.


36 posted on 10/09/2012 11:54:55 AM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Blackirish

You made a charge - prove it.
Show one mormon hater post.


37 posted on 10/09/2012 11:56:58 AM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: absolootezer0

The young men will not tell you the truth, just remember that.


38 posted on 10/09/2012 11:58:24 AM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: pgkdan

Why?


39 posted on 10/09/2012 11:59:24 AM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: bgill

That would be an interesting concept for the president to do.
My lds family will not under any circumstances attend any church, they only go to ward.


40 posted on 10/09/2012 12:02:04 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Scoutmaster

It is interesting that “officially” the prophesy has been refuted or dismissed, yet my large mormon family talk about it and convinced that Romney is the fulfillment of this prophesy.
So, even though “officially” dismissed, the rank and file appear to not have.


41 posted on 10/09/2012 12:06:38 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: NEMDF

There are wards which anyone can attend and the secret temple only TR mormons are permitted to attend.


42 posted on 10/09/2012 12:09:36 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: lodi90

I’m with you. These anti Romney and anti-Mormon trolls are getting to be an embarrassment to FR.


43 posted on 10/09/2012 12:11:41 PM PDT by pgkdan (A vote for anyone but Romney is a vote for obama. GO MITT!!)
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To: ccmay
I think they are over-represented, just as in law enforcement and the military.

Do you have a source for that? I have never read that mormons are over represented in the military, in fact only read the opposite.

44 posted on 10/09/2012 12:12:19 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: pgkdan

Prove it.
Show one anti-mormon post.
Prove that stating the truth about mormonISM is bigotry or hate.
Prove that stating the truth about Romney’s record is hate.
You keep making the charge and yet refuse to back it up with anything but name calling. (psst, Not surprised really)


45 posted on 10/09/2012 12:16:42 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: svcw

I’m not going to waste a second proving anything to a brain dead bigot like yourself. I didn’t address a post to you and don’t appreciate reciving one from you. Eat sh*t and go to hell.


46 posted on 10/09/2012 12:19:27 PM PDT by pgkdan (A vote for anyone but Romney is a vote for obama. GO MITT!!)
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To: pgkdan

Why thank you for such a thoughtful and reasoned response, especially on on the Religion Forum.

It serves to answer my question, with the very response I expected.


47 posted on 10/09/2012 12:24:26 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: svcw
Romney could get SS that are TRed and then it wouldn’t be an issue.

I don't know what a "TR" is but if it means recognition as a Mormon I say absolutely not.SS agents must *only* be assigned to the President on the basis of *competence* and *experience*,NOTHING else.Only the very best,most dependable,agents can be assigned to the President..be they Catholic,Jewish,moslem,Mormon,atheist or Buddhist.

48 posted on 10/09/2012 12:37:24 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: svcw

You’re certainly welcome. let this serve as the last post we address to one another. I don’t like you and don’t appreciate posts from you.


49 posted on 10/09/2012 12:40:42 PM PDT by pgkdan (A vote for anyone but Romney is a vote for obama. GO MITT!!)
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To: EDINVA
Practicing LSD are perfect candidates for SS.

Howard Hughes agreed.

50 posted on 10/09/2012 12:45:44 PM PDT by cynwoody
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