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Can a president really fix America?
WORLD magazine ^ | Oct. 9, 2012 | Anthony Bradley

Posted on 10/09/2012 11:58:32 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

Both conservative and progressive (liberal) church seem to be anxious about the 2012 presidential election. The anxiety is so great that many pastors are willing to bind the consciences of other Christians by telling them how to vote. Over at The Daily Beast, David Sessions highlights the much complained about annual “Pulpit Freedom Sunday” where "copies of hundreds of illegal sermons being mailed to the IRS to challenge its restriction on tax-exempt organizations endorsing political candidates." On the other hand, black pastors, like the Rev. Ottis Moss, pastor President Obama's former church in Chicago for example, are directing Christians in black churches in the same way. Should pastors be doing this?

According to SpeakUpMovement.org the current restriction on pastors talking politics from the pulpit began in 1954, when, then senator, Lyndon B. Johnson proposed the restriction as an amendment to the § 501(c)(3) tax exemption for charitable organizations "to keep two nonprofit organizations in Texas from supporting his political opponent, but the amendment has also had the effect of restricting the right of pastors to speak freely from the pulpit." In other words, the law represents the abuse of law as a political maneuver instead of the use of law for the common good. During the 2008 presidential campaign, many Americans were alarmed how politicized Rev. Jeremiah Wright, President Obama's former pastor, was from the pulpit. Sessions worries that "on the ground in evangelical churches, explicit political talk carries the risk of being divisive and alienating, two things that are deadly to most churches’ goal of getting as many people as possible into the fold." I wonder, however, why this is not also true for all pastors regardless of tradition.

Rev. Otis Moss II and Rev. Charles Jenkins explicitly state all black Christians in black churches "must" vote to reelect president Obama.

"As African-American clergy deeply committed to the welfare of our communities and the future of our country, we are writing to offer our strong and enthusiastic endorsement of President Barack Obama. In the face of laws designed to limit democracy, and voices seeking to depress the participation of our community rather than to empower it, we will not be silent. Too much blood was shed for us to remain on the sidelines. We must stand up once more, and we must keep marching on this November. We must reelect this President."

I am beginning to wonder what Barack Obama can do to support human flourishing in black communities when the prevailing pathologies destroying those neighborhoods, and the rest of America, are primarily moral in nature. The culture of death that sees an unborn child as a non-human, women birthing children out of the context of marriage, the black-on-black violence sending young black men to graves, the breakdown of the family, and so on, are all moral problems that politics cannot fix.

I'm no passivist by any means but it seems that Christians, progressive and conservative alike, may be expecting more from politics than politics can deliver. Our politicians and laws reflect the morality of America's citizenry. Does it not, then, seem more effective for social change for pastors to admonish Christians to focus on pointing their neighbors to Christ? The social change that Christians truly want in America will come when we, the people, desire to live according to our Creator's design.


TOPICS: Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
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....According to SpeakUpMovement.org the current restriction on pastors talking politics from the pulpit began in 1954, when, then senator, Lyndon B. Johnson proposed the restriction as an amendment to the § 501(c)(3) tax exemption for charitable organizations "to keep two nonprofit organizations in Texas from supporting his political opponent, but the amendment has also had the effect of restricting the right of pastors to speak freely from the pulpit." In other words, the law represents the abuse of law as a political maneuver instead of the use of law for the common good....

....I'm no passivist by any means but it seems that Christians, progressive and conservative alike, may be expecting more from politics than politics can deliver. Our politicians and laws reflect the morality of America's citizenry. Does it not, then, seem more effective for social change for pastors to admonish Christians to focus on pointing their neighbors to Christ? The social change that Christians truly want in America will come when we, the people, desire to live according to our Creator's design.

1 posted on 10/09/2012 11:58:37 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

Obama: I’ll ‘fix’ yo azz, America. You ain’t seen nothin’ yet.


2 posted on 10/09/2012 12:05:11 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Alex Murphy

Here is another question to ponder: “Can a president really DESTROY America?”


3 posted on 10/09/2012 12:05:20 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: Alex Murphy

“Can a president really fix America?”

Not THIS one!


4 posted on 10/09/2012 12:05:47 PM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: Alex Murphy

President Reagan fixed the mess that Carter helped create. If Mitt surrounds himself with like minded advisors like Paul Ryan, I think Mitt will turn us around, too.


5 posted on 10/09/2012 12:06:36 PM PDT by raisincane (I'm an optimist...Romney will beat the zero in November.)
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To: NEMDF
Here is another question to ponder: “Can a president really DESTROY America?”

We have one right now trying his damnest.

6 posted on 10/09/2012 12:07:44 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Alex Murphy
Yes, the problem is government.

So limit government to 5 pages, 5000 words of total laws.

Suppose we limit government to only 5 pages, what would you keep?

Democrats found a way to violate the constitution so an amendment has to be added that quantifies limited government. Every year thousands of pages of new laws are passed at every level of government, state, local and federal. This is strangling our businesses and limiting our freedom and empowering government. The Constitution meant to limit government but democrats have ignored the constitution, the latest violating is this 3000 pages of Obamacare which already has created 13,000 pages of government regulations. The supreme court would have to reject that, even no congress critter could propose anything without first repealing something to make room for a new law

7 posted on 10/09/2012 12:07:58 PM PDT by Democrat_media (limit government to 5000 words of laws. Quantify limited government)
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To: Alex Murphy

“Can a president really fix America?”

Not THIS one!


8 posted on 10/09/2012 12:08:29 PM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: Alex Murphy
In a Constitutional sense no. The President can lobby Congress to do the right thing, hold bills hostage, and/or veto them, but he SHOULDN'T be able to do much himself.
But there are those execrable “executive orders.”
9 posted on 10/09/2012 12:12:16 PM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Democrat_media
Yes, the problem is government.

Exactly. America can largely fix itself if given the chance. A president can help lift the wet blanket of government off the people. The more the government stays out of the way, the better the country does.
10 posted on 10/09/2012 12:16:26 PM PDT by verum ago (Some people must truly be in love, for only love can be so blind.)
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To: Alex Murphy
Can a president really fix America?

Nope.
11 posted on 10/09/2012 12:17:01 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Alex Murphy

Can a President fix America?

America is not broken. She is suffering from the effects of Godless and ignorant leadership, but that CAN be fixed.


12 posted on 10/09/2012 12:21:30 PM PDT by July4 (Remember the price paid for your freedom.)
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To: Alex Murphy
Can a president really fix America?

Reagan did.

13 posted on 10/09/2012 12:22:06 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Alex Murphy
The answer is in the book of Job.

Job was a righteous man and (reverently) feared God.

Satan complained to God that the only reason Job was so righteous was because God has His hands on Job.

God took away His protection and gave Satan free reign with the exception, he couldn't kill Job.

Satan INFLUENCED Job all OVER the place ... taking livestock, family health and wealth from Job, but Job had it in his heart to serve God anyway (though with a LOT of questions)

Satan used three of Jobs friends to cleverly attack God, and Job stood strong

satan used Job's wife to get him to deny God, but THAT didn't work neither.


So the answer is; ONE can be a great influence to do good or evil, but the ultimate decision and action is the one BEING influenced.

America has been under attack for a long tie, and our kids were the latest and greatest attack of them all ... using them to influence us to do all MANNER of things that are so ... collective. (re-cycle, stop smoking, go green ... I won't explain all this right now ... it just is)

Zero was in the catbird seat (he thought), but there are enough people still alive that have core AMERICAN VALUES that got out of the recliner and said, "That's enough!"

One man can use influence to change a nation IF some ducks are already in a row


By himself change a nation?

no.

14 posted on 10/09/2012 12:31:42 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Alex Murphy

My Church had a Pulpit Free Sunday and the message was sobering.


15 posted on 10/09/2012 12:31:57 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Ronald Reagan did after Carter screwed things up REAL BAD.


16 posted on 10/09/2012 12:33:03 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: Alex Murphy
Can a president really fix America?

No.

17 posted on 10/09/2012 12:38:02 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Alex Murphy

No, a president cannot fix America. But he has a lot of power to point us in the right direction.

Thanks to the Leftists in the Rat party, academics, the news media and too many Republicans, conservatives and Christians that have acquiesced, the nation has long been working toward goals that lead to nothing. . . or nothing but destruction.


18 posted on 10/09/2012 1:10:07 PM PDT by RatRipper (Obama, YOU LIE!!! . . .again and again and again and again, ad infinitum. . . .)
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To: Alex Murphy

>>Should pastors be doing this?

Should pastors be silent when over 300 million people are facing financial ruin, poverty, and eventual slavery to a Godless state (whether it be in communism or islam)? God works through His people. Voting to remove a wannabee dictator is probably preferable in His eyes to having to fight a revolution to free ourselves.


19 posted on 10/09/2012 1:22:21 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Alex Murphy

You may have to be a Doctor to “fix” a patient...

but, any idiot can smother an otherwise recovering patient.

Obama’s taxes, regulation, foreign policy, and assorted anti-constitutional acts, have served as his pillow.


20 posted on 10/09/2012 1:29:30 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Joe Boucher
What Ronald Reagan did was to thoughtfully take care of business while at the same time he got out of the people's way.

Neither of which BJ has any inclination to do.

21 posted on 10/09/2012 1:41:50 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: Alex Murphy
"I am beginning to wonder what Barack Obama can do to support human flourishing in black communities when the prevailing pathologies destroying those neighborhoods, and the rest of America, are primarily moral in nature. The culture of death that sees an unborn child as a non-human, women birthing children out of the context of marriage, the black-on-black violence sending young black men to graves, the breakdown of the family, and so on, are all moral problems that politics cannot fix. '

Things he can do.


22 posted on 10/09/2012 1:48:48 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: FatherofFive

God hates child sacrifice. There was ONE time God did not forgive Israel and they were practicing child sacrifice. IT IS UNACCEPTABLE to Him and He will not forgive a nation for legalizing it. He did forgive Manasseh who repented, but not the nation of Judah. Reagan did not fix our shedding of innocent blood.

“However, the LORD did not turn from the fierceness of His great wrath with which His anger burned against Judah, because of all the provocations with which Manasseh had provoked Him. And the LORD said, “I will remove Judah also from My sight, as I have removed Israel. And I will cast off Jerusalem, this city which I have chosen, and the temple (house) of which I said, ‘My name shall be there’.”
“Surely at the command (mouth) of the LORD it came upon Judah, to remove them from His sight because of the sins of Manasseh, according to all that he had done, and also for the innocent blood which he shed, for he filled Jerusalem with innocent blood; AND THE LORD WOULD NOT FORGIVE.” (All caps mine) 2 Kings 23: 26 & 27 and 24: 3 & 4


23 posted on 10/09/2012 1:58:02 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: Slyfox

Best govt. is least govt.
One more thing, he didn’t take a lot of crap from anyone,


24 posted on 10/09/2012 2:08:31 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: Slyfox
What Ronald Reagan did was to thoughtfully take care of business while at the same time he got out of the people's way.

He stayed out of most peoples way but he destroyed my family's business with a stroke of the pen when he deregulated the trucking industry. It helped the country as a whole but as with any legislation at the federal level there are always going to be some unintended consequences.

25 posted on 10/09/2012 2:25:44 PM PDT by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Alex Murphy

Reagan did........


26 posted on 10/09/2012 2:35:24 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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