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Afterlife Exists Says Top Brain Surgeon
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/ ^ | October 10, 2012 | Mark Hughes

Posted on 10/10/2012 6:43:29 AM PDT by Biggirl

Dr Eben Alexander, a Harvard-educated neurosurgeon, fell into a coma for seven days in 2008 after contracting meningitis. During his illness Dr Alexander says that the part of his brain which controls human thought and emotion "shut down" and that he then experienced "something so profound that it gave me a scientific reason to believe in consciousness after death." In an essay for American magazine Newsweek, which he wrote to promote his book Proof of Heaven, Dr Alexander says he was met by a beautiful blue-eyed woman in a "place of clouds, big fluffy pink-white ones" and "shimmering beings".

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TOPICS: Ecumenism; Religion & Science; Theology
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I do believe HEAVEN is TRULY for REAL.
1 posted on 10/10/2012 6:43:38 AM PDT by Biggirl
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To: Biggirl

There have been so many documented cases of NDE’s - Near Death Experiences. Don’t understand why it isn’t more scientifically accepted.

We are all souls with a body. Not a body with a soul.


2 posted on 10/10/2012 6:52:04 AM PDT by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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To: Biggirl
I do believe HEAVEN is TRULY for REAL.

I don't think that's what this guy was dealing with.

3 posted on 10/10/2012 6:52:37 AM PDT by fso301
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To: Biggirl

Do you remember that loud bang that was heard in the first Romney-Obama debate? I never heard an explanation of what caused it.

After the wake of my best friend, I went to his house and family and we all heard this loud bang that reverberated throughout the house. We all looked at each other and said what was that?

A psychic told me later it was my friend acknowledging his presence and appreciation. I remember Ann Romney saying that they believe Romney’s dad is always with him.

I just made that connection during the debate since it happened to us. I believe George Romney was showing his love and pride for his son, and I believe it’s just another sign that Mitt Romney will become president.


4 posted on 10/10/2012 7:01:48 AM PDT by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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To: Biggirl
saw this guy on 'Through the Wormhole' with Morgan Freeman.

he also said that he was a butterfly flying with millions of other butterflies when he started to regain consciousness

I do not call that afterlife as he was never dead...it was meningitis where the brain swells up...and when the brain swells up it is damaged more or less....

I do not deny an afterlife....I just don't see this guy as having performed a scientific study.

5 posted on 10/10/2012 7:11:32 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: fso301

Yep.

Steven Covey quoted somebody in his 7 habits book that went something like ‘We are not human beings living in a spiritual world, we are spiritual beings living in a human world’.

Made me think a lot.


6 posted on 10/10/2012 7:13:34 AM PDT by 119104DM
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To: Biggirl
"I do believe HEAVEN is TRULY for REAL."

I agree with you Biggirl. It is the physical universe that is an illusion.

7 posted on 10/10/2012 7:17:25 AM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: Biggirl

I do believe that much of what we consider our “mind” is not related to our brains. There’s a variety of evidence to suggest that’s the case.


8 posted on 10/10/2012 7:17:25 AM PDT by lasereye
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To: Biggirl
In an essay for American magazine Newsweek, which he wrote to promote his book Proof of Heaven, Dr Alexander says...

Uh-huh.

9 posted on 10/10/2012 7:18:46 AM PDT by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: Biggirl

There was some other book that dealt with this issue. Can’t recall right now, think it started with a b....


10 posted on 10/10/2012 7:25:36 AM PDT by bramps
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To: Biggirl
I found the book "Quantum Physics, Near Death Experiences, Eternal Consciousness, Religion, and the Human Soul" (I know, quite a title!) by William Joseph Bray to be an unevenly written and sometimes difficult read. But it offered the most reasoned and consistent explanation I have so far found for what this reality and physical universe is and is not).

One element in the book explains that any description someone might bring "back" after an NDE must be expressed in the limited terms of the tools at hand (the human brain and language) in this universe. We perceive and physically seem to "live" within a linear time frame that is created micro-moment to micro-moment by the act of our conscious observation and we have no words and only very rough analogous imagery that can convey the experience. The images of a tunnel, gardens, rivers, etc. are translations of things which cannot otherwise be described or expressed.

"Heaven" is not only real but is the timeless infinite from which the observation is made. Another point he makes (the writer is a Christian) is that the only human religion which is 100% for certain NOT true is Atheism.

11 posted on 10/10/2012 7:26:10 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: A'elian' nation

I wonder if the author explores the moral ramifications of his experiences?

“It is a serious thing to live in a society of possible gods and goddesses, to remember that the dullest most uninteresting person you talk to may one day be a creature which, if you saw it now, you would be strongly tempted to worship, or else a horror and a corruption such as you now meet, if at all, only in a nightmare. All day long we are, in some degree helping each other to one or the other of these destinations. It is in the light of these overwhelming possibilites, it is with the awe and the circumspection proper to them, that we should conduct all of our dealings with one another, all friendships, all loves, all play, all politics. There are no ordinary people. You have never talked to a mere mortal. Nations, cultures, arts, civilizations - these are mortal, and their life is to ours as the life of a gnat. But it is immortals whom we joke with, work with, marry, snub, and exploit - immortal horrors or everlasting splendors.” -C.S. Lewis


12 posted on 10/10/2012 7:38:16 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: A'elian' nation

“I remember Ann Romney saying that they believe Romney’s dad is always with him”

Any scriptural support for that position? I see it as the same fallacy that we turn into “guardian angels” when we die. Completely unsupported, and in fact heretical (not a pejorative, just an observation).


13 posted on 10/10/2012 7:38:17 AM PDT by jagusafr
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To: oblomov

One of my favorite Lewis quotes - thanks for the reminder.


14 posted on 10/10/2012 7:39:56 AM PDT by jagusafr
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To: Biggirl

An amusing coincidence:
The doctor’s name is Eben, which is short for Ebenezer. Reminds me of a fictitious Ebenezer who received visions that dramatically changed his outlook.


15 posted on 10/10/2012 7:40:14 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I love to watch you talk talk talk, but I hate what I hear you say."--Del Shannon)
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To: katana

That is why I took so much confort after my SO or longtime boyfriend, David, had died last month the children’s version of the book “Heave is for Real” for children, which has wonderful picture drawings as Colton Burpo when he was a little kid discribes.

A friend of mine in the music ministry has given me the adult version of the book, “Heaven is for Real” to read.


16 posted on 10/10/2012 7:44:07 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: katana
Our physical existence is designed such that we sense nothing int he actual present of the event. An easy example is the starlight the eye receives when you look into the clear night sky. Because we sense only past events, our brain 'holography' projects a coherent flow to the events we collect data over, and convinces our soul (the none physical part of our life) that we are flowing with time.

The human conceptualization of dimension Time may be the problem which holds us back from conceptualizing a better notion of wht it means to be 'alive' ... the soul exists in a 'greater-than-linear' spacetime reality yet is fed data collected from a linear temporal framework of our perception, even though events are occurring in a greater-than-linear spacetime reality. The data feed is so loud that our soul is tricked into believing reality is a linear progression, yet we have an aspect of each of us which exists in 'greater-than-linear' reality.

As Alamo_Girl is known to write, without space things do not exist, and without time events do not occur. Just imagine what 'things' and 'events' are possible in a reality which has temporal expressions of planar and volumetric expression alongside linear temporal expression!

17 posted on 10/10/2012 7:45:33 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Biggirl
this belief of being in heaven moments following death contradicts scripture.
in a number of verses death is referred to as a state of unconscious sleep where we will all be awakened to be judged
18 posted on 10/10/2012 7:49:07 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: jagusafr

But you do know that when we go home to God, we are changed.

No eyeglasses, no arthritis, no canes, no wheelchairs, no heart disease, cancer,etc. We will have new bodies.

Read the book “Heaven is for Real”. That confirms what the Bible does say.


19 posted on 10/10/2012 7:54:23 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: drypowder

Death of the body is written of as a ‘sleep’ ... in Thessalonians Paul refers to the soul God will bring with Him to be united to new bodies (the dead in Christ shall rise first, in body, but their soul God will be bringing back with Christ to get that new body), and those who are alive and remain will be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, to meet the Lord in the air ...


20 posted on 10/10/2012 7:57:03 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Biggirl

Amen and praise God!


21 posted on 10/10/2012 8:01:55 AM PDT by jagusafr
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To: drypowder

Well tell the kid who is the basis of the book “Heaven is for Real” and the children’s version of the book. The children’s version of the book is a real confort for the dear ones left behind who are believers and it helps make stronger their faith. I know it has made stronger my faith in the Lord as well as in His promises as spoken in His Holy Biblical word.

In the children’s book, there are Bible scripture that is cited and are not in any way, shape or form contradicted.

Also PLEASE CITE the passage of scripture of scriptures to back up what you say. Thank-you.


22 posted on 10/10/2012 8:08:18 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: jagusafr

Isaiah 14:13 is good enough for me.

You said in your heart, “I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain.

The ascension of Isaiah. And then there are Enoch and Elijah, taken to heaven before their deaths.
2 Kings 2:11 and Hebrews 11:5

And there was the transfiguration of Moses.

The scriptures even mentions 3 heavens, and Jesus spoke of the House of many mansions. Guess that’s just for the one-percenters.

I don’t believe that we sleep until the day of judgement. Nor do I believe that we immediately sprout wings. That takes a little more soul growth in the uppermost of heavens.


23 posted on 10/10/2012 8:17:47 AM PDT by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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To: A'elian' nation
We are all souls with a body. Not a body with a soul.

Actually, the biblical understanding is that we are a body with a soul, completely unified. This is why Jews, and then Christians historically, have always honored their dead with burial, not cremation, because of the expectation of resurrection.

This is also why the Christian creeds (Apostles, Nicene, etc.) include the term "resurrection of the dead" instead of the term "immortality of the soul," which is actually a Greek/pagan idea.

Point being, we are not ultimately disembodied souls...weighed down with a body (that's a pagan/gnostic idea)rather full human life is and will be forever...in a body.

I'm not saying souls do NOT separate from the body at death--as it surely appears they do (and the Church has taught so for a long time), I'm only saying that full human existence is physical--body AND soul--and, the bible is unequivocal about a physical resurrection at the 2nd coming of Jesus.

Souls separated from the body after death now are known as an "intermediate state," as eternal life--according to all orthodox Christian teaching--will be in a new resurrection body (as Jesus' life is in a (new) body up to this day...).

24 posted on 10/10/2012 8:19:23 AM PDT by AnalogReigns (because the real world is not digital...)
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To: drypowder

Saint Paul said plainly, “To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.” (Now, the Lord is NOT in the grave; as we know.) He didn’t know whether or not it would be something he “should” wish to go on and be with the Lord, but, in fact, he knew he had to stay on earth for the benefit of the church. “Moments” are relative.


25 posted on 10/10/2012 8:25:29 AM PDT by Twinkie (Live and let live.)
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To: A'elian' nation

“Isaiah 14:13 is good enough for me.

You said in your heart, “I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain.

The ascension of Isaiah.”

You do understand that Isaiah was referring to Satan, don’t you? That was a condemnation of Satan’s desire to raise himself (key point) above God. And we don’t ever - ever - become angels. These are important and often misunderstood realities.


26 posted on 10/10/2012 8:31:15 AM PDT by jagusafr
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To: A'elian' nation

This past summer, I had emergency dental wisdom teeth removel surgery, with drainage of lower left jaw duel to celuitius, a major bacteral infection which if not treated would have caused my death, either by blood posioning or or choaking me to death.

While I was asleep during the surgery, I had what looked like for a very brief time, the Good Sheperd heild me in his arms, like from the poem, “Footprints”.


27 posted on 10/10/2012 8:33:06 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl
Also PLEASE CITE the passage of scripture of scriptures to back up what you say

go to http://www.amazingfacts.org/ and search "life after death". it would be a good exercise for all who are curious about the teaching of scripture to do their own research. personally i believe scripture to be the true word of God and with regards to those testifying to their experience of life after death is inexplicable and may well be the work of the adversary.

28 posted on 10/10/2012 8:34:03 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: drypowder

Well it would surprise you that God does give us visions and that does include visions of Heaven.


29 posted on 10/10/2012 8:42:39 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

I believe in God. I have faith that there is a God. I acknowledge that what I have is faith, not proof. I see that faith as a gift of God to me.

I have to question those who seem to “choose” what they believe. I don’t think one can simply elect to believe something (although one can say that they have done so). I believe faith is the result of numerous influences on one’s life (both earthly and spiritual), and upon one’s willingness to let those influences have their impact on one’s belief.

Just a meandering thought....


30 posted on 10/10/2012 8:49:55 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: NCLaw441

True faith is a gift. I have belief in God myself. But also faith is a personal choice, to make the choice to believe in God.


31 posted on 10/10/2012 9:31:55 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: drypowder

DIYBI

Translation: “Do it yourself Bible interpitation”.


32 posted on 10/10/2012 9:40:24 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: A'elian' nation; Biggirl; fso301; Vaquero

I don’t automatically believe nor automatically disbelieve what is called “private revelation.”

Hildegard of Bingen had them for over 70 years, and they weren’t “near-death” experiences either: they were intense visions that came to her, on and off, through all 5 senses, from age 3 until her death at age 81.

Even she did not consider them automatically worthy of belief. For a long time she was dubious, she didn’t know if they were a delusion or a gift.

I admire her sane and balanced point of view. God is capable of giving us visions; on the other hand, the brain itself is inconceivably complex, and capable of engendering convincingly fantastic other worlds.

But I want to ask the doctrinaire atheists this question: why and how would unaided materialistic evolution -— you know, that mechanistic process totally defined by survival and reproductive fitness -— have given us such powerful, apparently otherworldly, perceptions, capacities, and drives?

I ask you.


33 posted on 10/10/2012 10:08:27 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my All.)
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To: Biggirl

Unless the full title is “Afterlife Exists Says Top Brain Surgeon - From the Grave!” than I still have to simply rely on faith here.


34 posted on 10/10/2012 10:13:58 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
But I want to ask the doctrinaire atheists this question: why and how would unaided materialistic evolution -— you know, that mechanistic process totally defined by survival and reproductive fitness -— have given us such powerful, apparently otherworldly, perceptions, capacities, and drives?

NDE's appear to occur across cultures and bear remarkable similarities. Beyond that, I don't know. They might be part of the dying process in which regardless of how bad a persons non-instantaneous death is, the final experience will be pleasant.

35 posted on 10/10/2012 10:46:58 AM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301
"They might be part of the dying process in which regardless of how bad a persons non-instantaneous death is, the final experience will be pleasant."

So do you think possibly everybody has NDE's before they die ---- it's just part of the dying physiological brain function? ? Not quite sure what you're saying here.

36 posted on 10/10/2012 11:17:39 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my All.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Very interesting indeed. Just this week, the Church made her a doctor of the Church.


37 posted on 10/10/2012 11:38:08 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl
Please think about attending a BE weekend -- I think it is the best kept secret in the Catholic Church. It's patterned after the Marriage Encounter weekend. Check out their website.

Beginning Experience, a peer facilitated weekend for those who are grieving the loss of a loved one

38 posted on 10/10/2012 11:52:07 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
So do you think possibly everybody has NDE's before they die ---- it's just part of the dying physiological brain function?

Perhaps.

Not quite sure what you're saying here.

I wouldn't want to say it happens in every death but it may be that some mechanism exists to help make the final flickers of life peaceful regardless as to how the person reached that state. Some report the opposite sensation... of being on the precipice of something horrible. So, I don't know. Just speculating here which I think is all anyone can do on this topic.

39 posted on 10/10/2012 11:53:00 AM PDT by fso301
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To: Salvation

Thank-you and God Bless. Bookmarked both national and CT websites.


40 posted on 10/10/2012 12:14:25 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl
Some great stuff on Hildegard of Bingen:

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/newest-doctor-of-the-church-her-visions-her-writings-and-her-secret-languag/

The Nat. Catholic Register is a very good news source, and Jimmy Akin is one of their most knowledgeable columnists. There's a lot of links to Hildegard stuff in the combox comments

Official trailer of VISION, a German movie about Hildegard. The trailer is kind of melodramatic/gonzo/cinematic (eh, it's a trailer, what do you expect?) --- but it does give emphasis to the mystical-prophetic aspect of her vocation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEI1QrZINeg

Hildegard's musical compositions: O dulcis Divinitas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMxBpPcoWf0&list=PL1CE0F4E87929E045&index=3&feature=plpp_video

Caritas Habundat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVd2BAgDm2o

A few images of her many visions http://historymedren.about.com/od/picturegalleries/ig/Hildegard-of-Bingen-Gallery/hild_mystical.htm

The Universe

41 posted on 10/10/2012 12:31:37 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (I believe in that without which nothing is believable.)
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To: Biggirl
A wondrous view: (God According to God; The Hidden Face of God; The Science of God).....a veritable treasure trove of Science and the Bible.
42 posted on 10/10/2012 12:42:54 PM PDT by yoe (Vote for the Real American whose love for his country was NEVER in question.)
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To: Biggirl

it’s apparent you have your own


43 posted on 10/10/2012 4:30:17 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: jagusafr

Doesn’t explain Enoch and Elijah. Doesn’t explain the transfiguration of Moses.

The problem with interpreting the Bible literally is that anyone can. Your literalism is not the same as my literalism.

You and I can argue until Judgement Day and no minds will be changed. That’s why there are hundreds of denominations.


44 posted on 10/10/2012 4:41:22 PM PDT by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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To: AnalogReigns

I am one of the 4 billion people of the world who believes in reincarnation. That I am a soul with a body.

Jesus was an Essene, a Jewish sect that did believe in reincarnation. So did the Pharisees. The Sadduccees did not know what happened to the soul upon death.

In the fourth century A.D. Emperor Constantine appointed Pope Damascus and formed the Council of Nicea in which all teachings of reincarnation were dropped from the New Testament. Pope Vigillus protested and refused to participate.

The Catholic Church’s problem with reincarnation was that this belief takes away their control of the salvation of the masses and puts it in each individual’s hands. Remember indulgences?

Origen and St. Augustine, the most eminent of the Church’s fathers, believed in reincarnation. Pistis Sophia, a Gnostic text, quotes Jesus as saying, “Souls are poured from one into another of different bodies of the world.”

Excellent historical synopsis of reincarnation in the Catholic Church can be found here -
http://www.fromthestars.com/page48.html

Reincarnation to me has always made logical theological sense. It explains all those times we wonder, ‘How could God have allowed this or that tragedy to happen?’


45 posted on 10/10/2012 5:10:38 PM PDT by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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To: fso301

How do you explain all the reported NDE’s in which the person is aware of and recalls all the events in the ER room.

There are many many cases ( the best documented of all ) in which those experiencing an NDE see themselves floating above their body and describing to a minute detail things they could not possibly know in the attempts to revive their body.

Amazing story here about Pam Reynolds who recalled specific -medically precise- operating procedures during her operation.

http://www.salon.com/2012/04/21/near_death_explained/


46 posted on 10/10/2012 5:22:21 PM PDT by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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To: A'elian' nation
How do you explain all the reported NDE’s in which the person is aware of and recalls all the events in the ER room.

I can't but there are medical theories that explain it.

47 posted on 10/10/2012 5:36:27 PM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301

Actually there are no medical theories that explain it - PERIOD!

I challenge you to read Pam Reynold’s NDE and try to come up with ANY rational explanation for what she remembered or visualized during her operation and NDE.

http://www.salon.com/2012/04/21/near_death_explained/


48 posted on 10/10/2012 6:16:14 PM PDT by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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To: fso301

“This case is particularly impressive given that during cardiac arrest, the flow of blood to the brain is interrupted. When this happens, the brain’s electrical activity (as measured with EEG) disappears after 10 to 20 seconds. In this state, a patient is deeply comatose. Because the brain structures mediating higher mental functions are severely impaired, such patients are expected to have no clear and lucid mental experiences that will be remembered. Nonetheless, studies conducted in the Netherlands, United Kingdom, and United States have revealed that approximately 15 percent of cardiac arrest survivors do report some recollection from the time when they were clinically dead. These studies indicate that consciousness, perceptions, thoughts, and feelings can be experienced during a period when the brain shows no measurable activity.”

http://www.salon.com/2012/04/21/near_death_explained/

I’d say that not only are there no medical theories that explain NDE’s. NDE’s defy current scientific understanding.

It is incredulous to think we have the answers to everything and there was nothing new to learn. We are just barely scratching the surface of parapsychological research.


49 posted on 10/10/2012 6:53:37 PM PDT by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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To: A'elian' nation
Jesus was an Essene, a Jewish sect that did believe in reincarnation.So did the Pharisees.

What nonsense. There is ZERO evidence Jesus was an Essene (He was from Galilee, the Essenses were in south Judea, the other end of the country). Even so, no Jewish sect believed in pagan/Hindu style reincarnation. RESURRECTION at the Last Day is what Jews and Christians believed, not recycled lives...over and over and over again. The whole basis of individual rights in Western civilization is based on the idea of the individual, responsible for his life before God, once...not a re-used soul over and over with infinite chances to get it right.

There is also ZERO evidence that the books of the New Testament we have were changed after (or before) Nicea, or that somehow Hindu-reincarnation was edited out...that is simply utter nonsense, which no reputable New Testament scholar believes.

Origen--a very early Christian, was heretical about a number of things (universalism being one of them)--and is only given a pass since he lived so early. Augustine did not believe in reincarnation--that is so much New Age poppycock.

Judaism and Christianity do not, and have never, believed in the pagan/polytheistic concept of reincarnation.

I don't mean to be offensive, but Dan Brown' Da Vinci Code sounds conservative compared to you....you really should stop taking your theology from late night AM radio.

50 posted on 10/10/2012 10:24:49 PM PDT by AnalogReigns (because the real world is not digital...)
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