Skip to comments.Joe Biden and the Abortion Question (Catholics calling for his EXCOMMUNICATION]
Posted on 10/12/2012 8:38:44 PM PDT by pansgold
Catholic Blogs are filled with demands for Joe Biden to be Excommunicated. Many saying Joe self-excommunicated himself with his stand on abortion. Joe Biden was once warned by the Archbishop of Denver not to take communion. After last night's debate new calls to excommunicate Joe Biden have again begun.
(Excerpt) Read more at ncregister.com ...
But I refuse to impose it on equally devout Christians and Muslims and Jews, and I just refuse to impose that on others, unlike my friend here, the -- the congressman. I -- I do not believe that we have a right to tell other people that -- women they can't control their body. It's a decision between them and their doctor. In my view and the Supreme Court, I'm not going to interfere with that." - Senator Joe Biden
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When it comes to religion, Joe “The Home of the Whopper” Biden likes to have it his way.
Lunatic needs an exorcism.
Throw in Nancy Pelosi, Durbin, and all the wretched Kennedys. I really wish the RCC would excommunicate them. Their position is intolerable. The ECUSA has imploded, maybe these fallen away Catholics could just move over there.
Yeh and instead Bidens Dems impose their religion of abortion on the rest of society and force us taxpayers to subsidize it against our wishes.
CINO’s -—Catholic in name only.
Because old Joe obviously does not care if he is excommunicated or not - DO IT!
Catholics can make this a talking point, or think it’s something they can dangle in front of this evil man for their own purpose - or they can just DO IT.
I know he has been excommunicated by a couple of bishops, one of them in Denver.
It is false to say that Biden has excommunicated himself by being pro-abortion. Only those directly complicit in an actual abortion are excommunicated automatically. (Canon 1397)
He DOES, however, have the obligation NOT to present himself to receive Communion, because being pro-abortion is a mortal sin. (Canon 916) Cf. the guidelines on Communion printed in the front of every Missalette published in the U.S.
Ministers of Communion have the OBLIGATION to refuse Communion to people who are notorious for promoting abortion. (Canon 915) Follow these links to become an instant expert:
Can’t find the article so titled at the link with a misused apostrophe in the first word.
***...I do not believe that we have a right to tell other people that — women they can’t control their body...***
This ‘argument’ is such a crock, on a number of different levels.
Our side needs to be the one to define the terms of this, not the lying left.
Good! Excommunicate his sorry behind.
Ahhh I think a bit of research on John Kerry’s self-excommunication also applies here.
The Pope, pro-abortion politicians, Holy Communion, and self-excommunication
“In other words, Senator Kerry believes that the Catholic Church’s pro-life position is a sectarian position, whose imposition on a pluralistic society would be constitutionally unwarranted something like the Catholic Church trying to force all Americans to abstain from hot dogs on Fridays during Lent.
“This is simply not true. For the past thirty-one years, the Catholic bishops of the United States have made public arguments that can be engaged by any serious person on behalf of the right to life. You don’t have to believe in Petrine primacy, seven sacraments, or the two natures of Christ to engage the Catholic pro-life argument; you don’t even have to believe in God. You simply have to be willing to take elementary embryology and elementary logic seriously. For the senator to suggest that the Church’s position is sectarian is either woefully ignorant or deliberately mendacious.”
As a supposedly good Catholic, he should have said it’s a decision between the woman and God.
The link rediredted just fine from here. A copy/past of the included URL also works.
Excommunication is a specific penalty in the Church’s law. Some actions do result in automatic excommunication.
Promoting abortion is a mortal sin. One who promotes abortion is not in union with the Catholic Church. But he does not incur an automatic excommunication.
Pro-abortion people must not approach for Communion. Publicly pro-abortion people must be DENIED Communion. But the Denial of Communion is not excommunication, and not a penalty at all. It is a demand of the moral law, and required by Canon law—Canon 915.
When was the last time the US Catholic Church excommunicated a sitting US politician?
So many Democrats push agendas that hurts the church, then supposedly supports the church come re-election time.
I didn’t say the Article was so titled did I?
Catholic’s begin calling for Ol’ Joe’s EXCOMMUNICATION (TRUE)
Catholic Blogs are filled with demands for Joe Biden to be Excommunicated. (TRUE)
Posted by Heather on Friday, Oct 12, 2012 12:26 PM (EST):I have a friend whose husband has personally watched Biden continually arrive at Mass 30 minutes late and then leave early so that he can stand outside the Church door to shake hands with people. PRACTICING CATHOLIC, MY A$$. This man is a liar, a heretic and an embarrassment to Catholics and the sooner he gets excommunicated, the better.
Posted by Margaret Edwards on Friday, Oct 12, 2012 2:26 PM (EST):Reading about excommunication & wondering WHY the Catholic Church has stopped kicking people out??? From Catholic Encyclopedia, Hence arise various extenuating reasons (causæ excusantes), based on lack of guilt, which prevent the incurring of excommunication
(1) Lack of the full use of reason.
(2) Lack of liberty resulting from grave fear.
It looks to me like Biden and Pelosi are pretty solid on two of the three. Think were stuck with em :)
Posted by Guitar Man on Friday, Oct 12, 2012 2:55 PM (EST):People excommunicate themselves. I think what the Church sometimes does is make it formal so to speak. When someone does an action worthy of excommunication, they have already excommunicated themselves. Think of it like sin, when we commit a grave/mortal sin, we dont need the Church to officially make a proclamation that we have in fact committed a grave sin. The very act of committing that sin has aleady severed our relation with God.
Kind of makes you wonder about that political party that has as its platform those action which the Church deems grave ..As Fr. Rocky says, you get who you vote for .
Posted by Cynthia Campbell on Friday, Oct 12, 2012 10:50 PM (EST):I became disillusioned and stop going to the LDS church because they REFUSED to excommunicate Harry Reid. He had joined the LDS (Mormon) congregation in order to win votes in Nevada (which has a large Mormon population). He was never a practicing Mormon, and in fact hold Mormonism in GREAT disdain. Everything he stands for and believes in runs contrary to the LDS beliefs and they STILL refuse to do anything about him. A bunch of wimps and pussies . . . if not Harry Reid, then WHO???? What does a person have to do to get kicked out of the church????? They excommunicated a woman who had an affair but NOT Harry Reid????? Does not make any sense. Lost all respect for the hierarchy.
This is just a few from one Catholic Blog website.
Hope that helps.
This will die down and the church won’t do anything - after all, he’s the Vice President so he’s “special”. /s
Kerry said to be excommunicated
October 18, 2004
A consultant to the Vatican has said Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry has incurred the penalty of excommunication from the Catholic Church.
The consultant made his statement in a highly unusual letter to Marc Balestrieri, a Los Angeles canon lawyer who formally sued John Kerry in ecclesiastical court for heresy.
Balestrieri, who launched his case earlier this year by filing a heresy complaint in Kerry’s home archdiocese of Boston, told EWTN’s “World Over” program on Friday that he had received an unusual, indirect communication from the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith regarding the pro-abortion stance.
That communication provides a basis, he said, to declare that any Catholic politician who says he is “personally opposed to abortion, but supports a woman’s right to choose,” incurs automatic excommunication. It also provided a basis for Balestrieri to broaden his canonical actions and file additional complaints against four more pro-abortion Catholic politicians: Democrat Senators Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts and Tom Harkin of Iowa; Republican Senator Susan Collins of Maine; and former New York Governor Mario Cuomo, a Democrat.
Only those directly complicit in an actual abortion are excommunicated automatically. (Canon 1397)
Wrong Canon Arthur.
Can. 1397 One who commits murder, or who by force or by fraud abducts, imprisons, mutilates or gravely wounds a person, is to be punished, according to the gravity of the offence, with the deprivations and prohibitions mentioned in can. 1336. In the case of the murder of one of those persons mentioned in can. 1370, the offender is punished with the penalties there prescribed.
Can. 1398 A person who actually procures an abortion incurs a latae sententiae excommunication.
2272 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae,"76 "by the very commission of the offense,"77 and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law.78 The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.
Can. 1314 A penalty is for the most part ferendae sententiae, that is, not binding upon the offender until it has been imposed. It is, however, latae sententiae, so that it is incurred automatically upon the commission of an offence, if a law or precept expressly lays this down.
Can. 1364 §1 An apostate from the faith, a heretic or a schismatic incurs a latae sententiae excommunication, without prejudice to the provision of Can. 194 §1, n. 2; a cleric, moreover, may be punished with the penalties mentioned in Can. 1336 §1, nn. 1, 2 and 3.
I don’t make rules here and I don’t enforce rules. The Moderators do, and they forbid changes to original titles.
As for me, I don’t trust posters who think they are oh so creative changing article titles and that with their very own grammatical errors.
Howcum Nasty Puglosi gets a pass?!
Being for sodomite “marriage” is just as bad, and after last night Biden is in need of an exorcism. I was waiting for his head to twist around on his smirking, laughing face as he was spitting split pea soup in Ryan’s face.
Biden has not received a ferendae sententiae excommunication from any Bishop. You know no such thing.
No, just said he should not be given the Eucharist. Nothing formal. Officially excommunicating a pol. Is very tricky considering the secular nature of our government/tax breaks involved. God sorts everything out in the end, we only go by what integrity we have.
Sorry, not buying it, Joe. Obamacare obliterates the supposed right to privacy that undergirds Roe. Roe and Obamacare cannot both be constitutional. One gives women a right to make decisions without interference. The other puts government between her and her doc every step of the way, from the insurance products she is permitted to purchase to the treatment options her doc is permitted to offer her.
Personally, and I could be wrong, but I think a lot of churches don’t excommunicate these politicians because they give a great amount of money to them. Just my opinion, of course.
“..it’s ok for other people to murder unborn babies if they’re cool with it.’ (Biden translation)”
Exactly! What a ridiculous position for Biden and others like him (i.e., Pelosi, Kennedys, Cuomo, etc.) to take. Extend the (non)argument to other circumstances and it goes something like - “I’m a great Catholic and don’t believe in stealing/murder/or other heinous crime. But it’s ok for other people to steal/murder/commit heinous crimes if they’re cool with it.”
So why do we bother with laws at all if they are completely subjective? These people are so devoid of logic it is appalling. Kennedy started it.
This raises the question of what "directly" means. Is someone who passes laws enabling more abortions and who directly funds the perpetuation of thousands of abortions which wouldn't occur otherwise "directly complicit"? I sure wouldn't want to risk my eternal soul relying on semantic hair splitting in this regard. I don't think God gives a pass for doing indirectly what is prohibited to do "directly".
WTF? Is he assuring us that if he gets pregnant, he definitely will not abort?
And what exactly does he think de fide means, if anything?
What ticks me off is he goes to Communion every week.
As for me, I dont trust posters who think they are oh so creative changing article titles and that with their very own grammatical errors.
“Joe Biden and the Abortion Question (Catholics calling for his EXCOMMUNICATION]”
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The Catholic Church will permit Pro-Choice Catholics when Shira Law permits Gay Muslims.
Biden’s sin is the sin of omission. Knowing abortion to be intrinsically evil and doing nothing to end it is a sin. A grave sin that many Catholics do not even realize they are committing with the “personally opposed” stance.
Don’t worry about me being happy, worry about respecting the community of readers who rely on honesty, accuracy and respect for agreed upon rules.
well said! i agree.
...someone who pays a hitman, to commit murder, is complicit.
someone who pays an abortionist, or even passes laws setting up such payments, certainly is complicit.
I dedicate the tagline to Joe, who, claiming to be Christian, gives Christ a bad name.
Better let them know ASAP!
I was pointing out it isn’t between a woman and her doctor whether or not it’s okay to kill someone. and I’ll say that if a person chooses to sin it’ll be God that person will be dealing with and not the doctor.
Yeah joe... it's like telling people that woman's choice supercedes God's law of Thou Shalt not Kill.
Really Joe... really? You're an idiot.