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The Latest Pew Survey: Christianity Losing, Secularism Winning
Christian Post ^ | 10/16/2012 | By S. Michael Craven

Posted on 10/16/2012 7:19:54 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

This is clearly the implication of the media reports following the latest Pew Research, "Nones on the Rise," which shows a "steep decline" in the number of Americans who self-identify as Protestant, coupled with a "significant jump" in the number of those who now claim "no religion." The secular devotees in the media seem hardly able to constrain their delight over the prospect that Christianity is disappearing in America.

Trying to spin this in such a way that the Christian faith appears culturally vital in the U.S. is a little like putting lipstick on a pig; but concluding that Christianity is losing and secularism is winning isn't quite accurate either.

The Pew study asked 2973 adults nationwide: "What is your present religion, if any? Are you Protestant, Roman Catholic, Mormon, Orthodox such as Greek or Russian Orthodox, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, atheist, agnostic, something else, or nothing in particular?" The number of Americans who identified themselves as Protestant was 48 percent, down from 53 percent in 2007. (In 1960, two-thirds of American adults identified themselves as Protestant.) Catholics showed only a modest 1 percent drop, while Orthodox (Christian) and Mormons remained steady and those claiming "other faith" experienced a 2 percent increase.

As to the other side-the religiously unaffiliated or so-called "Nones"-the picture is not quite as clear as the headlines suggest. First, the study's category of "religiously unaffiliated" has in fact risen from 15.3 percent of U.S. adults in 2007 to 19.6 percent in 2012. This, when coupled with the apparent drop in the number of self-described Protestants, seems to suggest that apostasy is to blame. However, after carefully examining the research, I think the issue being identified has little to do with apostasy and more to do with religious ignorance and theological assimilation.

For starters and despite the media's inference, the Nones are not necessarily atheist. In fact, only 2.4 percent of Americans identify themselves as atheists (another 3.3 percent claim to be agnostic). The largest category (13.9 percent) of the religiously unaffiliated are those who say they are "nothing in particular." However, the report also makes clear that those in the nothing-in-particular category are by no means irreligious.

In fact, two-thirds of the unaffiliated say they believe in God and 55 percent describe themselves either as a "religious person" or as "spiritual but not religious." Other Pew Research surveys found that 76 percent of Americans say that prayer is "an important part of their daily life," a figure unchanged for the last twenty-five years.

The 2012 Pew study also points out that "The number of Americans who currently say religion is very important in their lives (58%) is little changed since 2007 (61%) and remains far higher than in Britain (17%), France (13%), Germany (21%) or Spain (22%)." Clearly, this growing category of those claiming "nothing in particular" when it comes to religion does not signal the triumph of secularism.

So what's really going on here? As I said earlier, I think the issue being identified may be more closely related to the religious ignorance of some Christians and the assimilation of popular pagan ideas into Christianity.

Because the question only presents the Christian religion in terms of its three main traditions-Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant-I think there are a significant number of Protestant Christians who wouldn't know (or choose) to identify themselves as such. For one, many conservative Christians would be uncomfortable with the term Protestant because they associate being Protestant with liberal mainline denominations. In other words, they're Protestant, they just don't know it. I see similar confusion among some Protestant congregations who actually reject the use of the Apostles' Creed because it includes the word catholic when referring to the universal church.

To put it simply, too many of our brothers and sisters lack the basic knowledge of church history to properly understand many of the critical terms relative to their own faith and practice.

Theological assimilation, however, may be the larger problem. Those who claim "nothing in particular" when it comes to religion seem to be rejecting historic orthodox Christianity and its accompanying authority structures for a religion of their own design. The vast majority of these-as I pointed out earlier-say they believe in God, pray each day, and claim religion is "very important" to them. Thus they largely remain "religious." However, one must ask: In what God do they believe, what religion are they practicing, and to whom are they praying if they don't identify with any religion?

What I believe this report reveals is the growing assimilation of pagan (new-age and deistic) ideas, sprinkled with therapeutic self-interest, finally mingled with a childhood Christian tradition. The result is a highly personalized and therapeutic form of Christian faith and practice, i.e., culturalized Christianity. This is especially true among those under thirty, whose theology sociologist Christian Smith described as "moralistic, therapeutic, deism." It is among this demographic the church is suffering its highest levels of defection.

While it may make us feel better to think that the church is losing ground due to assault by outside forces; it is likely that apathy and heresy are bigger threats to Christianity in America than secularism. We have got to do a better job of transmitting the faith from one generation to the next by once again offering a Christ-centered (rather than "me-centered") faith that is theologically robust, socially relevant, and culturally engaged if we want to arrest this trend.

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S. Michael Craven is the President of Battle for TRUTH. Michael is also the author of Uncompromised Faith: Overcoming Our Culturalized Christianity (Navpress). Battle for TRUTH is committed to the reformation and renewal of the church through serious research, writing, speaking, and teaching. For more information on Battle for TRUTH, visit: www.battlefortruth.org. Michael lives in the Dallas area.


TOPICS: Current Events; Evangelical Christian; Religion & Culture; Skeptics/Seekers
KEYWORDS: secularism

1 posted on 10/16/2012 7:19:57 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Just like Charlie Sheen.


2 posted on 10/16/2012 7:24:05 AM PDT by John 3_19-21 (Desperation leads to curious events)
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To: SeekAndFind

The main stream media is the enemy of the American people and the enemy of Christianity.


3 posted on 10/16/2012 7:25:26 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: SeekAndFind

In the mid 90’ my daughter went on a mission trip to Scotland.
I was surprised. She said that only 10% of the citizens claimed Christianity as their belief.
That’s where we are headed here.


4 posted on 10/16/2012 7:26:27 AM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This shouldn’t surprise anyone. Way too many churches became simply cheerleaders for government social spending in the 60s and 70s and others turned into weekly “feel good” sessions that simply tell you how much God loves you. Any sense of obligation went out the window. The religion becomes meaningless and when it does, why should anyone want to go to that type of church?


5 posted on 10/16/2012 7:29:51 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: SeekAndFind

The atheists communists, abetted by the elite power brokers, have been infiltrating our media, schools and governmental institutions from before FDR. We as a people have been either oblivious or ridiculed when we pointed to the facts.

Pray for our nation.


6 posted on 10/16/2012 7:35:35 AM PDT by plsjr (<>< ... HIS will be done! (choose a "lesser evil"? NEVER AGAIN))
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To: SeekAndFind

Before we get too carried away with this, consider:

My choices (but how many other people share them?)

No poll has ever reported me as a Christian.

No poll has ever reported me as a Republican

No poll has ever reported me as a gun owner.

BECAUSE NO POLL HAS EVER GOTTEN ANYMORE OUT OF ME THAN, “NONE OF YOUR FREAKING BUSINESS, GOODBY” followed by either me walking away or the phone being hung up.

I am sick to death of living in “poll world” and I am not playing the game.


7 posted on 10/16/2012 7:36:29 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
This shouldn’t surprise anyone. Way too many churches became simply cheerleaders for government social spending in the 60s and 70s and others turned into weekly “feel good” sessions...

I agree. Also, there seems to be an inevitable trend for very well-off societies to turn more secular. And, the Catholic Church in the US didn't do itself any favors by attempting to minimize institutional damage by denying the priest pedophile scandals.

8 posted on 10/16/2012 7:37:30 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
Way too many churches became simply cheerleaders for government social spending in the 60s and 70s

That's what drove me out of the Catholic faith in the late '70s. It was becoming a hotbed of leftist dogma, especially with the surge in "liberation theology" in Latin American countries. I wanted no part of it.

9 posted on 10/16/2012 7:47:04 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Record high turnout is our hope for sending 0bama home. Pray hard!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think a lot of is because people no longer pay attention to their own mortality (and by extension the after life). I’ve even had some twenty somethings tell me, in all sincerity, that they won’t die because by the time they get old, “Science will have figured out a way to stick your brain in a computer so something.” If you honestly don’t think you are ever going to die, then by extension you are not going to be worried about what comes after.


10 posted on 10/16/2012 7:48:32 AM PDT by apillar
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To: SeekAndFind

This poll doesn’t surprise me. While the majoriity of my friends and family believe in God, I wouldn’t describe a single one of them as Christian. Deist would be more accurate.


11 posted on 10/16/2012 7:52:48 AM PDT by Joseph Harrolds
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To: SeekAndFind
We have got to do a better job of transmitting the faith from one generation to the next by once again offering a Christ-centered (rather than "me-centered") faith that is theologically robust, socially relevant, and culturally engaged if we want to arrest this trend.

You should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. Jude 3.

However, "the faith" that was once delivered to the saints is based on the perfect and complete work of Jesus Christ on the cross, purchasing our COMPLETE redemption by His blood, no longer needing works or sacrifice (in the Jewish context, the regular sacrifice of bulls and goats; in the Gentile context, works that help make or keep us righteous) because much more than Adam's sin which brought all death, Jesus Christ's ONE SACRIFICE redeems all from sin, past, present , and future, so that whoever believes on Jesus Christ is saved and "perfected forever" (Hebrews 10:14).

This is the power of the grace of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, not mixed the law, which we have died to, or condemnation, which we are not longer under, or fear of "losing our righteousness" which is impossible because it is a gift of God (Romans 5:17) we being now the righteousness of God in Jesus (2 Corinthians 5:21) or because of sin, which we have died to and free from (Romans 6:2,7,18).

THIS is the faith that was once delivered to the saints - the GOSPEL of the grace of Jesus Christ UNMIXED with any requirements of the law or works. It's a gospel not of DO but of DONE. "IT IS FINISHED!"

The church must (and is beginning to) embrace the true gospel of God's grace in Jesus Christ in these last days, for is will bring many into the wholeness and righteousness of God by faith. The is the gospel that is the POWER of God unto salvation, wholeness, and blessing. Hallelujah.

12 posted on 10/16/2012 7:55:03 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: SeekAndFind
The gospel of Christ is for those who need it because salvation and righteousness are free gifts paid for by Christ's death and delivered to us by His resurrection. Hallelujah.

On the other side of the coin, the Bible prophesies that those that "don't need" His free gift of grace will move away from the faith (1 Timothy 4:1).

So then because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of my mouth. Because you say, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and do not know that you art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked (Rev 3:16-17).

13 posted on 10/16/2012 8:10:32 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: SeekAndFind

The Apostle Paul warned us this would happen so there is no reason to be surprised. Actually I think the poll probably under states things as many who call themselves Christian are just CINOs in the uber-liberal social justice higher critical pseudo-Christian “church”. The only shocking thing is that some should find this shocking. It is up to the remaining regenerate, bible believing Christian elect to preserve the faith by passing it on to their children and witnessing to the world so those remaining who have been chosen for salvation may be saved. If you understand what I am saying then YOU are part of that remnant and have a grave responsibility - be a true and faithful servant.


14 posted on 10/16/2012 8:10:48 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: SeekAndFind

The Apostle Paul warned us this would happen so there is no reason to be surprised. Actually I think the poll probably under states things as many who call themselves Christian are just CINOs in the uber-liberal social justice higher critical pseudo-Christian “church”. The only shocking thing is that some should find this shocking. It is up to the remaining regenerate, bible believing Christian elect to preserve the faith by passing it on to their children and witnessing to the world so those remaining who have been chosen for salvation may be saved. If you understand what I am saying then YOU are part of that remnant and have a grave responsibility - be a true and faithful servant.


15 posted on 10/16/2012 8:13:27 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: SeekAndFind
"We have got to do a better job of transmitting the faith from one generation to the next by once again offering a Christ-centered (rather than "me-centered") faith that is theologically robust, socially relevant, and culturally engaged if we want to arrest this trend. "


This is why my wife and I have currently "left" the “modern” church.

Too many good intentioned churches have been saturated with the God-must-be-marketed mentality.

Christ IS and will always be the center and reason for and of our faith.

Show me a church where the Bible is taught verse by verse to the entire congregation by a serious student of the same and I will show you a Church that has and will have a lasting impact on the Great Commission. Though this Church may be "smaller" in number, the strength and witness of its body of believers will be greater than many of the “mega-churches”. In all honesty, this type of Teaching/service is incredibly boring by worldly standards. However, it calls on us believers/ “members” to take personal responsibility just as the Apostles did to follow Christ with our whole purpose and not just our attention span.


16 posted on 10/16/2012 8:15:33 AM PDT by John 3_19-21 (Desperation leads to curious events)
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To: ScottinVA

The Catholic Church is the one and only church that has stood steadfastly against

abortion
euthanasia
same-sex marriage
embryonic stem-cell research
contraception

and stood for the truth. Serving others as Christ has served us. (Remember the foot washing at the last supper? That was the most repugnant task in those days, yet Christ served the apostles by doing it.)

I’m so sorry you do not want to serve others.

“Love one another as I have loved you.” John 14:34-35


17 posted on 10/16/2012 8:18:49 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: apillar
“Science will have figured out a way to stick your brain in acomputer or something.”


18 posted on 10/16/2012 8:21:54 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: SeekAndFind
If anyone wonders why America is on a rapid decline into Socialism, perversion, criminality at all levels and violence, you need wonder no more. We struggle not against flesh and blood, but against powers and principalities.

America's current troubles come directly from our turning our backs on faith in Jesus Christ. Just believing in God is not enough. The demons believe in God and tremble.

Faith is the evidence of things unseen. We must act on our faith or it is dead. Take a look at our government, our judicial system, our popular culture. See any real faith there?

Without the moral bedrock provided by faith in Jesus Christ, we will sink further into the kind of moral degradation from which there is no escape. Anyone who thinks that The Constitution can save us is placing their faith in a human construction that John Adams said "was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

His description of a "moral and religious people" no longer applies to us.

19 posted on 10/16/2012 8:30:48 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t beleive this. A lot of Christians have departed from organized religion. They are still Christians but do not belong to organized religion.


20 posted on 10/16/2012 8:34:20 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SeekAndFind
Secularism isn't winning, it's just filling the void as Christianity retreats. So many of those who claim to be Christian have found ways to flee the battlefield and possible conflict that it's a wonder the numbers aren't worse.

A lot of people would do well to consider something I recall from my USMC Boot Camp graduation.

"The cowards never tried and the weak dropped out a long time ago.  That leaves us."

Given the number of Christians who never try to turn the tide or drop out and find a comfy spot to hide, Secularism in this country doesn't even know it's been in a heated argument much less a battle.

21 posted on 10/16/2012 8:43:11 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Nothing new here. It’s a normal cycle that will implode like Rome long ago. But what is unique about Islam is that it has all the evil built right in so it will flourish, whereas Christianity separates evil out.


22 posted on 10/16/2012 8:47:04 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Salvation
I’m so sorry you do not want to serve others.

That's quite a leap you've made. You have no idea whatsoever to what extent I serve others.

And BTW, the church to which I belong stands against every evil you just listed.

23 posted on 10/16/2012 8:52:57 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Record high turnout is our hope for sending 0bama home. Pray hard!!!)
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To: PapaNew

Unfortunately, that is a distorted view of historical christianity, not practiced during the first 1500 years after the ascension.

cherry picking scripture versus outside of the historic practices of the apostles and their successors in the church, skews one’s viewpoint.


24 posted on 10/16/2012 8:53:15 AM PDT by raygunfan
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To: I cannot think of a name

Good answer: I’ve often wondered if the polls aren’t at least somewhat skewed by the fact that some people won’t participate. I don’t; I’d like to know how many other refusniks there are out there.


25 posted on 10/16/2012 8:54:54 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: Salvation
Nonsense. There are plenty of other churches, mostly Evangelical, who have stood against that same list of grossly anti-God activities while also standing against Socialism and the moral degradation that overwhelms those who complacently accept the welfare state and the destructive entitlements inherent in it.

The Catholic Church as an institution may have officially stood against the elements in your list, but so many Catholics individually have come to accept them that their general acceptance renders much of Church teaching meaningless.

Clearly, the Catholic priesthood has done a poor job of modeling a morality in their actions that mirrors their pronouncements. This fact is not lost on those who are desperate for true Godly guidance.

26 posted on 10/16/2012 8:59:48 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: raygunfan
historical christianity

But we (should) not be primarily interested in historic tradition, lest we become like the Jews of old who Jesus said had negated the scripture through their tradition (Mark 7:13). We should be interested in getting back to God's Word and the truth of the Gospel of the Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:24). The reality of the true gospel is what the world is really looking for and power of the gospel is the ONLY thing that will save them (1 Corinthians 1:18, 2:4-5). (Of course I'm interested in their salvation, not necessarily their going to church, which follows later.)

27 posted on 10/16/2012 9:11:57 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: SeekAndFind

“First, the study’s category ofhas in fact risen from 15.3 percent of U.S. adults in 2007 to 19.6 percent in 2012.”

It may not be just a coincidence that the number of “religiously unaffiliated” has risen since 2007 as that was the very same year that Obama announced his candidacy.

And moreover, it is possible that Agents of Obama and George Soros have since 2007, taken measures not to increase the number of non believers but to decrease the number of Protestants by some sort of termination program.


28 posted on 10/16/2012 9:24:25 AM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: SeekAndFind

Our culture/media has made the word religious a negative term, hence people do not want to admit they are religious. They may be quite Godly and a follower of Christ which seems a bit more pertinent.

I am more concerned about the zeal of the faithful in the US as opposed to whether to go to church or define themselves as religious. The passionate practice of the faith will advance the kingdom much more that just sitting in the pew on Sunday.

There are real problem in our churches right now:

- the social gospel (just do good and you will gain salvation)
- the lack of true Biblical teaching from the pulpit
- the unwillingness to confront/teach both Grace AND Judgement
- the lack of Jesus being taught/discussed

The feel-good mega-church with fancy facilities, good band, fun speakers, no harsh words that does not take the faith into the community is a real problem. And I attend one such church.

sschu


29 posted on 10/16/2012 9:26:45 AM PDT by schu
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To: PapaNew

historical christianity has nothing to do with the ‘jews of old’, im talking as, i said, about the first 1500 years after Christ ascended to heaven. He didnt drop down a completed version of the kjv with a ‘let the holy spirit guide you from here on’....

he created a church from the apostles down through their successors as a teaching church, to guard, protect and pass on the Word, not some sort of me, my bible and Christ, is all i need teaching...that sort of theology, outside the historical events, has led precisely to what we see today....

that being said, i agree, the Gospel is the only thing that will save us, just make sure the gospels are taught correctly.....


30 posted on 10/16/2012 9:27:36 AM PDT by raygunfan
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To: SeekAndFind

And Ayn Rand and “Atlas” are helping on the “conservative” side!


31 posted on 10/16/2012 9:29:56 AM PDT by procrustes (You make Free Republic look bad!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Seculars shun reproduction.


32 posted on 10/16/2012 9:33:21 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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To: raygunfan
No, just like the traditions of the Jews of old, much of the tradition of the church has negated the truth and the power of God's word.

But the anointing which ye have received of him abides in you, and you need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teaches you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it has taught you, you shall abide in him. 1 John 2:27.

33 posted on 10/16/2012 9:35:10 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew

papa, you are doing it again. you pick one line of the bible and think it negates all of church history.

you know as well as i do that isnt how christianity works.

you know as well as i do that you are ignoring the historical church that Christ said the very gates of hell would not prevail against.

the devil himself can quote the bible too, but that means little.

it comes down to what what done in the past when the apostles appointed their successors, who were these men, what did the do, what did they teach, and for whom did the teach?

if you wish to ignore that, and just quote another bible verse, then you are willfully missing the point, instead of discussing what im saying.


34 posted on 10/16/2012 9:40:44 AM PDT by raygunfan
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To: raygunfan
just like the traditions of the Jews of old, much of the tradition of the church has negated the truth and the power of God's word.

And THAT is why the church is losing. People are no longer interested in religion. They want (and need) the reality of a loving, grace-filled relationship with God through Jesus Christ. The church in many ways has stood in the way of those trying to find Him.

35 posted on 10/16/2012 9:44:32 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: raygunfan

You have a problem quoting the Bible? How did Jesus deal with the Devil and the Pharisees? He quoted the Bible. You seem quite uninterested in discussing your ideas on the basis of scripture, only on the basis of historical tradition - again, just like the Jews of old.


36 posted on 10/16/2012 9:48:02 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: rightwingcrazy
Seculars shun reproduction.

That's certainly true in my experience.  Of myself, my sister, and my closest friends (all of whom are secular), my sister has no children, and only one out of a half-dozen close friends has any children (two of them).  I have no children myself, nor any desire to have any.

37 posted on 10/16/2012 9:55:55 AM PDT by Joseph Harrolds
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To: procrustes
And Ayn Rand and “Atlas” are helping on the “conservative” side!

I'm a rather big fan of Ayn Rand & Atlas Shrugged, myself. Wish more people were...!

38 posted on 10/16/2012 10:00:13 AM PDT by Joseph Harrolds
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To: PapaNew

i have no problem quoting the bible, i just have a problem with folks cherry picking verses OUTSIDE of the history of the church at the time of the apostles, and their successors.

how do you think heresies started? by not following the proper authority given by Christ, to his apostles and their successors, but instead, picking and choosing verses of scripture that suits their particular theological viewpoint.

those heresies were each time, stomped out by the authoritatve teaching church, using its devinely appointed authority as his teaching church, in addition to the word, and sacred tradition, all historically verifiable.


39 posted on 10/16/2012 10:05:21 AM PDT by raygunfan
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To: Joseph Harrolds

“That’s certainly true in my experience. Of myself, my sister, and my closest friends (all of whom are secular), my sister has no children, and only one out of a half-dozen close friends has any children (two of them). I have no children myself, nor any desire to have any.”

This suggests a long term trend, even from a Darwinian perspective, in which secularism is bred out of the gene pool. Some children from religious families will turn to secularism, but they, in turn, won’t have many kids. This pattern has been emerging in Israel, with secular vs religious Jews, and, perhaps, in Europe, with secular Europeans vs Muslim newcomers.


40 posted on 10/16/2012 10:09:59 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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To: Salvation
" Serving others as Christ has served us. (Remember the foot washing at the last supper? That was the most repugnant task in those days, yet Christ served the apostles by doing it.) Love one another as I have loved you. John 14:34-35"

Thanks for the description of a Christian. Whether America is still a Christian country or a secular country depends on how one regards 'Mammon of Iniquity'.

41 posted on 10/16/2012 10:16:23 AM PDT by ex-snook (without forgiveness there is no Christianity)
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To: rightwingcrazy
This suggests a long term trend, even from a Darwinian perspective, in which secularism is bred out of the gene pool.

I don't think being secular is a genetic trait. If I had been brought up in a religious household, there's a good chance I would be religious to this day.  As another poster suggested, there seems to be a trend for societies which are very well-off to become more and more secular.

I think it's more instructive to look at secularism from a sociological viewpoint than a biological one!

42 posted on 10/16/2012 10:18:55 AM PDT by Joseph Harrolds
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To: Joseph Harrolds

Meme vs gene, but I’m not talking about genetic inheritance here. Children tend to take on the values and beliefs of the parents that raise them, and religious people bear and raise a lot more children. And as I said, this demographic counter-trend is starting to play out.


43 posted on 10/16/2012 10:31:35 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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To: PapaNew

Please identify the “Jews of old”.


44 posted on 10/16/2012 1:08:29 PM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: US Navy Vet
Jews of old

Just referring to the Jews in the New Testament 2000 years ago (Mark 7:13, for example).

45 posted on 10/16/2012 2:51:39 PM PDT by PapaNew
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