Skip to comments.Daughter of LDS Bishop Warns Against Mormonism and Romney Presidency ['Of two evils...neither']
Posted on 10/17/2012 4:33:29 AM PDT by Colofornian
The daughter of a Latter Day Saints bishop and author of a book on Mitt Romneys Mormonism says that she has concerns about a Romney presidency.
Tricia Erickson, who is now a professing Christian after being involved in the LDS establishment for 21 years, stated in an article this week entitled The Obamney Twins that while she cannot support Barack Obama, she is unable to vote for Mitt Romney either.
To me, as a conservative, a Republican and a Christian, I cannot justify a vote for either one of the Obamney baby-killing, annihilators of the family, government healthcare mandated to take over our economy socialist evil twins and be right with our Creator, she wrote.
Erickson pointed out that neither seek to ban abortion, and both have shown support for homosexuality.
Republicans say that they have to vote for Romney because we are losing our country to socialism and after another four years of Obama, there will be nothing left of America. I cant say that I disagree, she said. However, what is never talked about is that Romney has his own goals for the Mormon Church [and] The Mormon Plan for America, and while he is cunning and a good debater, he lacks the judgment to discern that he will not become a god in his next life and receive his own planet.
Erickson has been making the rounds on various talk shows and has been featured in news publications for at least the past year, discussing her concerns with Mormonism and a potential Romney presidency.
While he attempts to portray Mormonism as just another Christian religion, Mitt Romney counts on his skills to shift our attention away from what he truly believes, she wrote in her book Can Mitt Romney Serve Two Masters? The Mormon Church Versus the Office of the Presidency of the United States of America.
Its like our eyes are glazed over when it comes to the religion of Mitt Romney, Erickson told talk show host Thomas Hartmann in further discussing the matter. If you just knew what Mitt Romney believed, you would run far away from this candidate.
Erickson states that she grew up in a devout Mormon household, and was even married in the LDS temple according to mandated rituals. However, she laments many things that she observed and was subjected to.
It was horrific, she told WND. There I was standing naked [at my wedding]. They brought this bowl of water and started washing my body down, and whispering prayers over my body. They stopped over the right and left breast, the navel and knees and prayed specific prayers.
Erickson stated that because Mitt Romney is a dedicated Mormon, he espouses beliefs that are very concerning, including that Jesus was not born of a virgin, that Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers, and that Romney will one day become one of many deities.
Mitt Romney truly, unequivocally believes that when he dies, he is going to become a god in Heaven, she said. He is going be given his own kingdom/planet. He will be able to call his wife Ann by the secret name that is only given to him in the Mormon secret ceremonies When he calls her on to his planet, they will have relations to populate the planet with spirit children, as they believe our God has a wife on His planet, and He did the same, and they believe that we are our Gods spirit children from our god mother and god father.
So, all of us here on earth, we existed in a pre-existence with God as a spirit baby, then we came down and inhabited these little babies bodies that are here on the earth, Erickson continued, explaining LDS beliefs. [This was done] so that we could go through our process to venture into godhood.
She said that there has been a longstanding agenda in the LDS establishment to place Mormons into governmental offices.
[The LDS establishment has] been trying since the beginning to get someone in the presidency, because they believe they have to establish their authority so when Jesus comes to earth, the Mormon Church will take control of the government and the Mormons will be the government of God on earth, Erickson explained.
They believe that when Jesus comes back to earth in the millennium, that Hes going to come to Jackson County, Missouri, which thats where they believe the Garden of Eden is, she added.
Former Mormons Dennis and Rauni Higley of H.I.S. Ministries International in Salt Lake City, Utah concur that these indeed are the beliefs of the LDS establishment. They provided Christian News Network with written outlines of their concerns surrounding what is called the White Horse Prophesy.
From its very beginning, the Mormon plan for America has been to have a Mormon president lead this nation and ultimately the world, they stated. The so-called White Horse Prophecy of Joseph Smith has been referred to often as a destiny of the Mormon priesthood in saving the United States. This prophecy predicts that U.S. government will one day hang as if by a single thread and Mormon elders will step in and save it.
Erickson said that in Mormon ceremonies, participants must swear to keep secret what goes on behind closed doors. She advised that in rituals that she was involved with, she observed people being forced to make gestures signifying their death if they revealed what takes place.
They actually had us [symbolically] slashing our guts open and our guts falling to the ground if we told people of the secret dogma of the ceremonies, she stated.
When asked how Erickson knows that Romney espouses these same beliefs, she replied that Romney has long had high ranking in the LDS establishment, holding office as bishop like her father, and working as a Mormon missionary in France for a time.
You cannot get more Mormon than Mitt Romney, she stated. And I have been through the same temple ceremonies to follow the church first before anything else.
To my way of thinking the idiosyncrasies of Mormon belief and practice are not the issue; Catholic belief in transubstantiation and Protestant belief in the resurrection [of Jesus] can be made to look silly, too, Romney told CNN last year after being informed of Ericksons writings and speeches against him.
Because of these concerns, in Ericksons article this week, she noted that many will vote third party this year or skip the presidential race on the ballot.
Some have said that they will simply not vote for either establishment candidate, [but] instead, in protest, will write-in another name or candidate if they will vote at all, she wrote. I, and approximately 90 million Americans, agree with Charles Spurgeon who says, Of two evils, choose neither.
Yup. As Spurgeon said, "Of two evils, choose neither."
So in other words, it’s better to have another 4 years of Obama?
At this juncture, that’s the alternative. The only alternative.
From the article: While he attempts to portray Mormonism as just another Christian religion, Mitt Romney counts on his skills to shift our attention away from what he truly believes, she wrote in her book Can Mitt Romney Serve Two Masters? The Mormon Church Versus the Office of the Presidency of the United States of America. Its like our eyes are glazed over when it comes to the religion of Mitt Romney, Erickson told talk show host Thomas Hartmann in further discussing the matter. If you just knew what Mitt Romney believed, you would run far away from this candidate. Erickson states that she grew up in a devout Mormon household, and was even married in the LDS temple according to mandated rituals. However, she laments many things that she observed and was subjected to. It was horrific, she told WND. There I was standing naked [at my wedding]. They brought this bowl of water and started washing my body down, and whispering prayers over my body. They stopped over the right and left breast, the navel and knees and prayed specific prayers. Erickson stated that because Mitt Romney is a dedicated Mormon, he espouses beliefs that are very concerning, including that Jesus was not born of a virgin, that Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers, and that Romney will one day become one of many deities. Mitt Romney truly, unequivocally believes that when he dies, he is going to become a god in Heaven, she said. He is going be given his own kingdom/planet. He will be able to call his wife Ann by the secret name that is only given to him in the Mormon secret ceremonies
When he calls her on to his planet, they will have relations to populate the planet with spirit children, as they believe our God has a wife on His planet, and He did the same, and they believe that we are our Gods spirit children from our god mother and god father.
Either Obama or Romney will be the next President. There is no third choice.
Expect lots of this for the next three weeks. Obama has nothing else.
Obama is despicably evil:
A good sampling of Obama's policies toward Muslims plus other Obama linkages with Islam, as covered in these FR threads:
* Meet Obamas Wahhabist Relatives [With plenty of picture links] [Posted Oct. 17, 2012 by Colofornian]
*Obama's excuse for embassy attack, the movie, is failure as his Muslim policy [Posted Sept. 21, 2012 by Marketfly1]
* Meet Obamas Million Dollar Muslim Donor [Posted Oct. 14, 2012 by expat1000]
* Obama family busted in Shariah scheme - Foundation funding training for Saudi-style government [Posted Oct. 11, 2012 by Perseverando]
* Obamas Islamic Supremacist Human Rights Rep: Meet Salam al-Marayati, 9/11 Truther & Hamas-supporter [Posted Oct. 9, 2012 by 2ndDivisionVet]
* New Ad Implies Obama Is Cozy With Muslim Brotherhood [Posted Sept. 21, 2012 by Perdogg]
* New Ad Implies Obama Is Cozy With Muslim Brotherhood [Posted Sept. 20, 2012 by Nachum]
* White House Media Ignores Obamas Muslim Outreach Meltdown [Posted Sept. 18, 2012 by lbryce]
* For Barack Obama, Muslims can do no wrong [Posted Sept. 14, 2012 by neverdem]
* PIPES: Obama: My Muslim faith; President uses pious expressions with Muslims [Posted Sept. 11, 2012 by 2ndDivisionVet]
* Pro-Muslim Apologetic Policies of Obama - Refusal to Defend Embassy Leads to Death of US Ambassador [Posted Sept. 12, 2012 by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh]
* Obama: I Have Never Been A Muslim [Posted Sept. 9, 2012 by Steelfish]
* The Muslim Side of Obama [Posted June 3, 2009 by Former Farmer]
* Muammar Qadafi Acknowledges that Barack Hussein Obama is Muslim [Posted Oct. 6, 2008 by Hecht]
* Muslim Obama: WILL STAND WITH MUSLIMS SHOULD POLITICAL WINDS SHIFT IN UGLY DIRECTION [Posted March 29, 2008 by OnRightOnLeftCoast]
* Obama's pro-Muslim words [Posted Nov. 23, 2009 by freedomyes]
* Obama's Five Pillars of ............ [Posted April 14, 2009 by TenthAmendmentChampion]
* David Limbaugh: Is Obama a Christian? [Posted Aug. 27, 2010 by markomalley]
* Connect all the dots on Barack Hussein Obama [Posted Oct. 10, 2008 by savvyguy]
* Barack Obama's Muslim Childhood [Posted April 29, 2008 by PaleoConservative]
* NY Times Pulls Kristof's Piece with Obama's Muslim Call to Prayer [Posted Sept. 8, 2008 by markedmannerf]
* Mideast leader: Obama a Muslim who studied in Islamic schools [Posted Oct. 17, 2008 by Texascajun]
* My Muslim President Obama (02.25.09) [Posted Feb. 25, 2012 by libstripper]
Note: Snopes is generally "busting" the recent Muslim ring connection as a "no go": Lord of the ring
A feeble attempt by a fruitcake to damage the Christian vote.
Billy Graham endorsed Mitt for crying out loud!
The Obama campaign thanks you for your anti-Mormon bigotry.
I am a conservative Christian. If I choose to vote for neither Obama nor Romney, that will not change this unshakable fact: One of the two of them will be the President the next 4 years.
Which of the two of them are more aligned with my world view? Romney, without question.
I will vote for him with enthusiasm and a clear conscience.
If Romney has been foisted upon us (and personally, I think he HAS been), then we've been foisted.
And if the lesser of two evils ... Commands and dictates against smoking and drinking is not as bad as submit or die.
I don’t disagree with what you say about Mormonism. But unless you want to pull a couple of votes toward Obama (by encouraging people to sit it out), I suggest putting it on hold until November 7th. Then have at it.
It’s a good thing our Founding Fathers established a system of checks-and-balances and a division of power to help ensure that one man’s religion (or anti-religion) does not hold much of a sway over the country, if the people so choose.
He lives his life to accomplish his own personal desires .. spiritual and physical.
Muslims live to kill and die.
Choose ye this day.
For at least FREEPERS in all but a handful of states, sure there is!
These days, it's really looking like there's only a handful of true swing states: Ohio, Colorado, Wisconsin, New Hampshire. Some would add Iowa, Michigan and Pennsylvania.
Florida, North Carolina, and Virginia all look solidly Romney now. Nevada and New Mexico are lost to Obama.
FREEPERs in the rest of the states (beyond those first 7 mentioned) should readily vote for Virgil Goode.
In the blue states, Romney has no shot of winning. Voting for Romney in those states has the same utilitarian effect as voting for Goode.
As for the red states in the South, Midwest, and Mormon West, Romney will win those states easily. If 100% of FREEPERs voted third party, there's still no way Obama could win ANY of those states.
I would say, then, as of now, FR residents of 43 states have a clear choice...and that could edge upward as the polls show greater shifts closer to the election.
“So in other words, its better to have another 4 years of Obama?”
Cliche line we’ve heard 1 million times or more.
But Muslim murderous scum presidency is ok
“Billy Graham endorsed Mitt for crying out loud!”
Billy Graham has also endorsed Hillary Clinton.
See post #14 as to why it's relevant NOW for residents in over 40 states.
Covered that already. See post #6. Click on the first link in that post, it takes you a thread about Obama's Wahhabi relatives that I posted today.
Where do these people get their ego. Talk about an inflated opinion of themselves: A vote in an election means their soul...lol.
/THAT’S the Obama dirty trick?
Cliche line weve heard 1 million times or more...
...but are too dense to understand the importance of. Unbelievable.
It’s a vote between two heathens- either Cyrus the Persian or Belshazzar the Babylonian.
would be nice if you listened to it once
You’re disillusion. One of two men will be the next President. You either help Romney or you help Obama.
This isn’t a theological debate, its a political debate.
Think of it. Any given candidate...like McCain...or Bush.
If they claimed, like temple Mormon Mitt Romney believes, that they were a "god in embryo" -- that would have hardly been irrelevant to news articles, opinion columns, online forums, etc.
It'd been the talk of the nation for years on end.
Romney? All because he's Mormon he gets a free pass from the same people who would discuss it were another GoP candidate involved who believed this lack-of-discernment nonsense.
Proof that this is mainstream Mormon belief? (see next post from me)
“would be nice if you listened to it once”
I know better ;)
Seriously - the Pretend Pride crowd with their onanastic voting, proud only of themselves and to hell with the country. Disgusting.
Follow-up to last post:
The truth is man is a child of God a God in embryo. Mitt Romney's father's cousin, Marion G. Romney one of the top three Lds hierarchists a generation ago...in Conference Report, April 1973, p. 136; or Ensign, July 1973, p. 14.
* "What is [man]? He had his being in the eternal worlds; he existed before he came here. He is not only the son of man, but he is the son of God also. He IS a God in embryo, and possesses within him a spark of that eternal flame..." (3rd "prophet" John Taylor, The Gospel Kingdom, pp. 52-54, as cited in Teachings of the Presidents: John Taylor, p. 2, 2001 -- compiled & published by its "intellectual reserve" publishing trademark).
* "If we take man, he is said to have been made in the image of God...being his son, he is, of course, his offspring, an emanation from God...He...came forth possessing, in an embryonic state, ALL the faculties and powers of a God." (Taylor, The Gospel Kingdom, p. 52, as cited in Teachings of the Presidents: John Taylor, p. 3, 2001).
Many people know of Spencer W. Kimball, the 12th "prophet" of the Lds church (1973-1985), as the man who allowed blacks to become Mormon priests in 1978.
But did you know Mormonism teaches you are all "gods in embryo"??? (And Kimball was one of its key proponents)
Did you know that Mormonism teaches the false "gospel" of self-transformation -- of pulling yourself up by the bootstraps to become a god? (And Kimball was one of its key proponents)
Spencer W. Kimball on these very topics:
1969 "Being a GOD IN EMBRYO with the seeds of godhood neatly tucked away in him, and with the power to become a god eventually, man need not despair...he must...transform himself..." (Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, pp. 173-174)
A couple he was advising in Kimball's office "did not understand that forgiveness is not a thing of days or months or even years but is a matter of intensity of feeling and transformation of self...This couple seemed to have no conception of satisfying the Lord, of paying the total penalties and obtaining a release..." (Ibid, p. 156)
To Kimball, you had to "pay the total penalties" for your sin -- vs. that being a role occupied by the true Jesus Christ.
September, 1974: Man can transform himself and he must. Man has in himself the seeds of godhood, which can germinate and grow and develop. As the acorn becomes the oak, the mortal man becomes a god. It is within his power to lift himself by his very bootstraps from the plane on which he finds himself to the plane on which he should be. It may be a long, hard lift with many obstacles, but it is a real possibility. Source: http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6057 (Spencer W. Kimball speech entitled Be Ye Therefore Perfect 9/17/74 devotional address @ BYU)
1975: Man is created in the image of God. He is a GOD IN EMBRYO. He has the seeds of godhood within him, and he can, if he is normal, pick himself up by his bootstraps and literally move himself from where he is to where he shows he should be." Source: http://emp.byui.edu/marrottr/LovevsLust.pdf, "Love vs. Lust," Spencer W. Kimball, Provo: BYU Publications, 1975
November 1977: Self-mastery, then, is the key, and every person should study his own life, his own desires and wants and cravings, and bring them under control. Man can transform himself and he must. Man has in himself the seeds of godhood, which can germinate and grow and develop. As the acorn becomes the oak, the mortal man becomes a god. It is within his power to lift himself by his very bootstraps from the plane on which he finds himself to the plane on which he should be. It may be a long, hard lift with many obstacles, but it is a real possibility. To be perfect, one can turn to many areas as a starting place....As we have stated before, the way to perfection seems to be a changing of ones lifeto substitute the good for the evil in every case. Source: By President Spencer W. Kimball An address given to students of Weber State College, Ogden, Utah on 4 November 1977 http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&locale=0&sourceId=244ed0640b96b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD
July, 1978 Ensign Magazine: Lds church officially endorses Kimball Weber State College comments by publishing them in their official magazine
This quote also becomes part of Chapter 19 of what Lds officially teach college students in their Institute curricula: See http://institute.lds.org/manuals/doctrines-of-the-gospel-student-manual/doc-gosp-11-20-19.asp
The disgusting underside of this campaign is that the Dems are covertly putting people like this Tricia Erickson out there to spread anti-Mormon bigotry in the disguise of a “former Mormon” raising “concerns” to the Christian community as a way to keep Christians from not voting. Everything she says could be true — Romney could believe that he will own a planet. Ann could have been naked on her wedding day. And I could care less. I really don’t care. Romney is going to cut government and cut spending and that is all that matters in this election.
I don't agree (with the possible exceptions of the bluest of blue states...like, maybe DC and Mass...maybe).
States that were nominally considered solid blue have been re-designated as toss-up states.
The Maoism of the left needs to be once and for all repudiated. The Marxist-in-Chief needs to be well and thoroughly squashed like the cockroach he is. We don't need a 271 electoral vote victory. We need a 1984-type win.
Not for Romney's sake. But to send an unmistakable message about leftism.
Ross Perot endorsed Romney.
Which states? Be specific and cite credible sources.
Otherwise, you're just blowin' smoke.
So what if Romney believes in elves and fairies?
The point is that he believes in the good elves and fairies. He can only become an elf king in the afterlife IF he does good here on our blue marble......Then he gets his own blue marble.
That’s bad how?
His judgement on business and most social issues appear to be sound....Especially in comparison to our current Allah in Chief....
Iow, you're intolerant of Tricia Erickson's religious messaging.
Isn't intolerance = "bigotry" in your eyes?
Not gonna get wound up reading every little Romney trashing post when there is a big fish to fry in the whitehouse that is destroying America NOW.
To undermine that effort is suicidal. We are on the cusp of the end of the United States of America, with a Marxist in the whitehouse.
Other people can pick verses from your religion, which can also hit hilarious level. Or can find people who despise your religion.
Unfortunately, “neither” is not in the option set. In January 2013, either Obama or Romney WILL be in the White House. The only choice is which will be less destructive to Liberty.
(Yeah, that's who we want as THE leader in the free world...)
The point is that he believes in the good elves and fairies
The point is that Romney believes he is NOW a "god in embryo"...The point is that the one thing the God of the Bible railed against over & over among His people was idolatry -- the raising up of false gods as substitutes for Him.
The point is that the God of the Bible is readily provoked over His people who endorse and sanction men who make themselves out to be competing, rival gods of His.
The point is that the God of the Old Testament allowed His people to be taken into exile (Babylon) for that sin...especially when it was sanctioned by their kings!
The point is that this same God is still the Sovereign of nations, and He still can exercise temporal judgment upon people groups and nations.
There are men here, I'm sure that view pornography ... are they lechers?
Do you want to lock up your daughters ?
Do you fear for your life, your freedom, your sanity ?
Or do you just subliminally file it away as a fact of maleness and don't really give too much a damn that some wise political posters in FR might watch pornography .. and LIKE it ?
You're making Romney out to be some kind of voodoo heebeejeebee and that with comparative hours before an election, you're throwing pennies on the ice hoping a skate might catch one.
Many people here pretty much know the LDS basics and quite frankly Cal ... we're not very riled up by it.
Is it weird?
Is it dangerous ?
Not to MY mind set.
Perhaps you have something you'd like to confess to us ?
For FREEPER in over 40 states (see post #14), sure it is.
The only quandary is for the TRUE swing states...which stands at about 7 right now.
FREEPER Residents in about 43 states could vote for Virgil Goode -- and such a vote would in no way effect the bottom-line outcome of this election.
It may be a cliche line, but it’s true.
How do you get invited to a Mormon wedding where they strip the bride naked and wash her down.
Sounds better than going to a titty bar.
Do they really do that?
Biggest load of bullcrap of the day post
Choose neither and you’ll end up with Obama.
So what is your point in posting this?
Would it be better to have Christians sit home and thus have Obama elected? Are you saying it would be better to have Obama as president?
Or do you really think Virgil Goode can become president if we all vote for him?
As long as Romney gets the economy on track to recovery, puts a lid on the deficit, and reins in government bureaucrats, he can believe he's the Tooth Fairy and wear a pink tutu and I'll clap politely at his dance recital.
Romney may believe someday he will own a planet.
Obama already believes he owns this one.
Romney may believe that in him is a seed of God, Obama believes he is god.
“Mitt Romney truly, unequivocally believes that when he dies, he is going to become a god in Heaven, she said. He is going be given his own kingdom/planet”
So what? He’ll find out if he gets there.