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Religious Painting Expected to Draw Thousands to Worcester Church
NECN.com ^ | 10/16/12 | Mike Cronin

Posted on 10/17/2012 6:49:21 AM PDT by marshmallow

A religious painting is expected to draw thousands to a special church service in Worcester, Mass. Tuesday evening.

It's a painting of the Virgin Mary, and some say it can perform miracles.

It’s on display and bringing people together to see what some say is a miracle.

“I prayed from the bottom of my heart. I felt that Jesus and St. Mary are listening to me,” says Clara Elnerm.

The Elnemr family is one of many flocking to the St. George Orthodox Cathedral in Worcester Tuesday. It's all to see a religious painting, called the Hawaiian Iveron Icon of the Virgin Mary. Five years ago, a Hawaiian clergy member discovered his painting suddenly smelt of roses and was gushing myrrh, a type of oil.

“It's a miraculous icon that's performed many miracles,” says Walter Haddad.

The icon is touring the east coast this month, much to the delight of Haddad, the president of the east orthodox churches of central Massachusetts.

“The oil is supposed to be miraculous oil. That's why everybody's coming to be anointed with her tears.”

Clergy members say they don't worship the icon, rather they pray through it.

“Some people don't realize that miracles like this do happen. They do happen around us all the time,” says Milad Selim.

(Excerpt) Read more at necn.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Orthodox Christian; Prayer; Theology
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1 posted on 10/17/2012 6:49:25 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Worshipping icons (golden calfs) is anti-Christian. Worshipping mortal human beings is too


2 posted on 10/17/2012 7:10:54 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL
"Clergy members say they don't worship the icon,"

If ya have to say it.......

3 posted on 10/17/2012 7:15:15 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: NoGrayZone
Which would tend to conflict with the headline because isn't it the clergy who "expects the painting" "to draw thousands?".
4 posted on 10/17/2012 7:26:02 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

There is no worshiping of icons going on here. A miracle is happening and God is revealing himself through this icon. No one is worshiping the icon itself.


5 posted on 10/17/2012 7:41:33 AM PDT by Phillyred
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To: Phillyred; GeronL
"No one is worshiping the icon itself."

Oh, my boo. I thought all that bending down, kissing, touching, praying to the icon was worshiping.

6 posted on 10/17/2012 7:49:41 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: marshmallow
Exodus 20:4
King James Version (KJV)

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Of course, the Catholics don't include this Commandment in their bible.
7 posted on 10/17/2012 7:57:57 AM PDT by crosshairs (America: Once the land of the free. Still the home of the brave.)
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To: Phillyred

God revealed himself a long time ago. Maybe God should reveal himself to those who aren’t already believing in him.

Then again maybe that’s why these things always seem to happen to Catholics.


8 posted on 10/17/2012 8:00:02 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Phillyred; NoGrayZone
“It's a miraculous icon that's performed many miracles,” says Walter Haddad.

The icon is performing miracles!! All hail icon!! The man-made icon is "miraculous". lol

9 posted on 10/17/2012 8:03:23 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: crosshairs

Of course, the Catholics don’t include this Commandment in their bible.


We include this one:

4 ‘You shall not make yourself a carved image or any likeness of anything in heaven above or on earth beneath or in the waters under the earth.

Somehow, I think a you anti-Catholic bigots need to find something other than the “they worship idols!” lie to argue about.


10 posted on 10/17/2012 8:14:06 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Hold My Beer and Watch This!)
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To: Beelzebubba

These things always seem to happen to Catholics, because the Catholic Church is the true Christian Church - the only Church that can trace itself back to Christ and Saint Peter. You are always welcome back.


11 posted on 10/17/2012 9:52:30 AM PDT by Phillyred
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To: GeronL

Hahahaha! Those icons, aka idols, performing miracles. Pretty sure we were warned against such things.


12 posted on 10/17/2012 11:00:27 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Beelzebubba; crosshairs
"Somehow, I think a you anti-Catholic bigots need to find something other than the “they worship idols!” lie to argue about."

Can't speak for "everyone", but I have a HUGE problem with people bending down and kissing the Popes ring. I have a HUGE problem with people bending down and praying to statues....or paintings.

13 posted on 10/17/2012 11:06:47 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Phillyred
"These things always seem to happen to Catholics, because the Catholic Church is the true Christian Church"

You mean the "true Christian Church" that allowed pedophiles molest and rape their little trusted ones? And when caught just placed them in another church.....and attempted to cover it up and now paying them off?

No thanks. Let alone all that mafia money they get. 10 hail marys and a few thousand bucks gets you "off the hook" for murder and mayhem, as well as divorce.

14 posted on 10/17/2012 11:12:36 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: NoGrayZone; GeronL
We're not Muslims. We worship a rational God. One who is not angered when his children venerate images of Jesus or his Mother or the angels, out of love and devotion.

Would your spouse be angry if you kept an image of him/her on your person and occasionally kissed it? The very thought is absurd, isn't it?

Idols are false gods. Worldly things which we put before God such as pleasure, power, material possessions etc. An icon is the very opposite. It's a symbol of our love for God.

Let go of the Muslim/Calvinist God who rages over anything and everything in an entirely irrational and unpredictable manner.

15 posted on 10/17/2012 11:28:44 AM PDT by marshmallow (.)
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To: Phillyred; Beelzebubba

You got to love that how the usual suspects immediately steer to using Elizabethan-era propaganda about Pope and idol worship and the oft-used child abuse card. It’s the theological equivalent of arguing with leftists.


16 posted on 10/17/2012 11:30:02 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Beelzebubba
Of course, the Catholics don’t include this Commandment in their bible.

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We include this one:

4 ‘You shall not make yourself a carved image or any likeness of anything in heaven above or on earth beneath or in the waters under the earth.

Somehow, I think a you anti-Catholic bigots need to find something other than the “they worship idols!” lie to argue about.


Wrong! The Catholic 10 commandments eliminates the second commandment (for obvious reasons) and takes the 10th commandment and splits it into two separate commandments. Don't see anything mentioned about carved images here. But thanks for playing.
Catholic 10 Commandments.
17 posted on 10/17/2012 11:42:22 AM PDT by crosshairs (America: Once the land of the free. Still the home of the brave.)
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To: Phillyred
These things always seem to happen to Catholics, because the Catholic Church is NOTthe true Christian Church - the only Church that can trace itself back to Christ and Saint Peter Constantine. You are always welcome back.

There. Fixed it.
18 posted on 10/17/2012 11:44:26 AM PDT by crosshairs (America: Once the land of the free. Still the home of the brave.)
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To: crosshairs

Wrong! The Catholic 10 commandments eliminates the second commandment (for obvious reasons) and takes the 10th commandment and splits it into two separate commandments. Don’t see anything mentioned about carved images here. But thanks for playing.
Catholic 10 Commandments.


Sorry, dude. Try again.

http://www.catholic.org/bible/book.php?id=2
(Select Chapter 20, and read slowly for content).


19 posted on 10/17/2012 11:47:07 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Hold My Beer and Watch This!)
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To: GeronL

I wonder if you read the article?


20 posted on 10/17/2012 11:49:12 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NoGrayZone

Can’t speak for “everyone”, but I have a HUGE problem with people bending down and kissing the Popes ring.


I have a huge problem with Olympic champions kissing their medals, but that doesn’t make it worship of the object. It’s just a symbolic tradition expressing a feeling.

I kneel and pray before a statue of Mary, a priest, my bed, some candles, and lots of other things, but that doesn’t mean I’m worshiping any of those things.

(I might even pray before the scene of a horrible accident, or when visiting a concentration camp site, but I’m certainly not worshiping either of those things either.)

Sometimes, when I pray, I’ll ask a deceased relative to pray for me. Or I might ask a saint or the Blessed Virgin to pray for me to the Lord our God. But I’m not worshiping grandma or Mary.


21 posted on 10/17/2012 11:52:26 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Hold My Beer and Watch This!)
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To: crosshairs

Are you saying that Catholics don’t believe in Christ?
Are you saying that Catholics don’t believe in the Apostles, the first Bishops?
Are you saying that Christ did not istitute the Church on with his apostles as the first Bishops? And with Peter as the first Pope?

Please REALLY read your New Testament — especially the Gospels.


22 posted on 10/17/2012 11:53:55 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: crosshairs

23 posted on 10/17/2012 11:56:47 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Beelzebubba

Sorry, “dude”, but the link I sent was the 10 Commandments I was taught growing up as a Catholic. With this link you sent, do they realize they tapped into a non-Catholic Bible? You better tell them.


24 posted on 10/17/2012 12:08:29 PM PDT by crosshairs (America: Once the land of the free. Still the home of the brave.)
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To: marshmallow

You go ahead and venerate those graven images, I’ll worship the God through the Bible.

The Bible is all one needs.


25 posted on 10/17/2012 12:14:51 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Beelzebubba
Sometimes, when I pray, I’ll ask a deceased relative to pray for me. Or I might ask a saint or the Blessed Virgin to pray for me to the Lord our God.<

Praying to the dead
26 posted on 10/17/2012 12:15:53 PM PDT by crosshairs (America: Once the land of the free. Still the home of the brave.)
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To: crosshairs
THE FIRST COMMANDMENT : "I am the lord thy god, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt not have strange gods before me. Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth. Thou shalt not adore them, nor serve them. I am the lord thy god, mighty, jealous, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, to the third and fourth generation of them that hate me, and showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments."

-Catechism of the Council of Trent

27 posted on 10/17/2012 1:01:42 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: marshmallow

“We worship a rational God. One who is not angered when his children venerate images of Jesus or his Mother or the angels, out of love and devotion.”


“Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;”

Well, according to God, He can be rational and jealous at the same time.


28 posted on 10/17/2012 4:20:02 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: GeronL

An icon like this drawing thousands is not a miracle


29 posted on 10/17/2012 7:24:02 PM PDT by peter the great
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To: crosshairs

One thing about this icon and every other icon is that they depict Our Lord and Savior,the Virgin Mary, the Saints and events from their lives are all things that happened on Earth. There are rules and there is a process to iconography


30 posted on 10/17/2012 7:36:09 PM PDT by peter the great
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