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Bishop vs. Bishop: Lutheran Calls Out Catholic Over Marriage
Seattle Post-Intelligencer ^ | 10/16/12 | Joel Connolly

Posted on 10/18/2012 7:22:25 AM PDT by marshmallow

The retired presiding bishop of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, the Rt. Rev. Herbert Chilstrom, has delivered a stinging, public critique of his former Roman Catholic counterpart in Minnesota for aggressively campaigning for an anti-same sex marriage amendment on the November ballot.

“I recognize your authority in formulating positions for your own flock in Minnesota: That is one thing,” Chilstrom said in a letter to Roman Catholic Archbishop John Nienstedt, published in the Minneapolis Star Tribune.

“But for you and others to campaign for an amendment that imposes your stance on all citizens in Minnesota — including other Christians, believers of other faith groups and unbelievers — it is overstepping your bounds.”

Minnesota is one of four states voting on marriage this November. Washington, Maryland and Maine will cast ballots on whether to approve marriage equality. In Minnesota, Nienstedt has put $650,000 in church money into promoting the state constitutional amendment that would ban same-sex marriage.

(Excerpt) Read more at blog.seattlepi.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Mainline Protestant; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: elca; homonaziagenda; homonazimarriage; homosexualagenda; lutheran; minnesota; rc; romancatholic

1 posted on 10/18/2012 7:22:28 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

satan must be laughing his head off.

Biblically only a man and a woman can marry. Men are not supposed to have intimate relations with anyone who is not their wife, not with men, not with children not with women who are not their wives. Women are not supposed to have intimate relations with anyone not their husband, not with men, not with children, not with other women.

If the world obeyed this COMMANDMENT FROM GOD, there would be a lot less pain in the world.


2 posted on 10/18/2012 7:28:56 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: marshmallow
The retired presiding bishop of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America . . .

Yeah, it is so easy to take cheap shots at a faith which has been around for roughly 2000 years and still manages to retain about 68% of their members.

Give the ELCA another generation and I'll bet they won't even be retaining 50%.

The toughest thing for me about leaving was some of the nice people and the social networks I left behind. This is the only thing which keeps most of their remaining congregants in the pews.

The thing I miss the least is the left-wing gospel and false doctrines as preached by the jerks in leadership positions.

3 posted on 10/18/2012 7:35:56 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: lightman

Apparently, the right to the public expression of religious opinions is reserved to heretics.


4 posted on 10/18/2012 7:36:54 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: All

Marriage is NOT a privage issue.

Marriage is a PUBLIC issue.

Homosexuals want to impose their view of recreational sex as the MANDATORY PUBLIC VIEW.

It is not an equal issuee. It is NOT a civil rights issue.

It is not “equality” as the propagandists would hold.


5 posted on 10/18/2012 7:50:04 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: marshmallow

So it’s “overstepping” for the Catholic bishop to “campaign for an amendment that imposes his stance on all citizens in Minnesota,” but it’s perfectly ok for the Lutheran tool to advocate for a revision to an insitution that goes back thousands of years and also imposes HIS stance on all citizens of Minnesota ...

Must be liberal “logic” at work.


6 posted on 10/18/2012 7:52:51 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Mr. Lucky

That is precisely the view from the Left. If you do not agree with them, they intend to hound you out of the public arena.


7 posted on 10/18/2012 7:53:12 AM PDT by Pecos (Double tap: the only acceptable gun control)
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To: yldstrk

these are NOT equal bishops.

This is very goebles of him.

it is not a 50/50 debate.

The disgraced retired lutheran homosexual population is very tiny compared to the catholic church population.


8 posted on 10/18/2012 7:54:23 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: marshmallow; lightman

As usual in these stories, the person described as “Lutheran” is really not. He’s ELCA.


9 posted on 10/18/2012 7:59:54 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Lutheran pastor, LCMS)
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To: marshmallow

I feel sorry for Lutherans and, for my feeling that way, I praise the Lord and thank my Church.

Conference urges gay unions, ordination changes
http://www.thelutheran.org/article/article.cfm?article_id=4083


10 posted on 10/18/2012 8:06:27 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: yldstrk

:: Biblically only a man and a woman can marry. ::

Chilstrom could care less about what the Bible has to say. He gets his opinions from the number of dollars in the plate.


11 posted on 10/18/2012 8:07:35 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: marshmallow
No. Archbishop John Nienstedt was not “overstepping his bounds,” as was so rudely stated by Rt. Rev. Herbert Chilstrom.

Indeed, it is Archbishop Nienstedt’s duty to urge the people of his state to respect traditional marriage. Rev. Chilstrom has every right to courteously state his own opinion, but he needs to recognize that many fine Americans strongly, strongly disagree.

And I'm not Roman Catholic or Lutheran, by the way.

12 posted on 10/18/2012 8:14:58 AM PDT by July4 (Remember the price paid for your freedom.)
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To: marshmallow

Marin Luthor would be puking.

This Marxist revisionism of religions where Evil is Good is absurd. The sexist “marriage” idea is really creepy and denies children their natural right of a mother and father. It destroys the inherent moral Duty in all mankind to raise their own offspring. What a joke-—a “religion” which destroys Natural Rights and Duties—the protection of these Rights are the only reason for formation of governments.

Thank God, the Catholics haven’t capitulated to the irrational, evil ideology of Satanists although they have been infiltrated by many progressives.

These Lutherans are trying to normalize this:

http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/govt-defends-official-suspected-of-child-rape/


13 posted on 10/18/2012 8:20:12 AM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: marshmallow

“I recognize your authority in formulating positions for your own flock in Minnesota: That is one thing...”

That’s pretty big of him. Glad he cleared that up right from the start.

Freegards


14 posted on 10/18/2012 8:21:48 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: marshmallow
Nope,not bishop v. bishop. more like Catholic bishop v. humanist apostate.

CC

15 posted on 10/18/2012 8:23:12 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (Q: how did you find America? A: turn left at Greenland)
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To: marshmallow

Hooray for Bishop Ninestedt!


16 posted on 10/18/2012 8:23:45 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: marshmallow
must be dementia-- this retired Rt.Rev. Herbert Chilstrom clearly is NOT a Christian Nor a Patriotic American who understands American Law. "Certainly no legislation can be supposed more wholesome and necessary in the founding of a free self governing commonwealth... than that which seeks to establish it on the basis of the idea of the family as consisting of and springing from the union for life of one man and one woman in the Holy estate of matrimony..." US Supreme Court 1885 Murphy v. Ramsey and Others.as true today as then easy to reconcile with Moses (Gen.1: &2; Jesus of Nazareth Matthew 5: and 19: ; and the Apostle Paul 1 Cor. 6: Where in the Christian Bible is same sex "marriage" advocated or advanced as anything other than sinning before the Lord... an abomination worthy of death... the wickedness that led to the utter destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah?Yet this retired "Evangelical" ? advocates for fornication?
17 posted on 10/18/2012 8:36:11 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: yldstrk

Words no longer have meaning. Evangelical...Lutheran ....these words used to mean outreach, fundamentalist teaching....now its heresy and sodomy promoting hell.


18 posted on 10/18/2012 8:50:34 AM PDT by panzerkamphwageneinz
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To: marshmallow; lightman
The apostate ELCA bishop (is there any other kind of ELCA bishop these days?) gets a well-deserved comeuppance.

The retired bishop's successors are resolutely, defiantly carrying on his legacy of apostasy

19 posted on 10/18/2012 9:13:05 AM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: July4; marshmallow
"Be grateful that the archbishop is defending society's cornerstone"
20 posted on 10/18/2012 9:16:55 AM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: marshmallow

A church is a living entity. Once the Spirit departs, though, it dies. All you are left with is an empty shell of a religion. Nothing left to do but call in the realtors.


21 posted on 10/18/2012 9:29:25 AM PDT by marron
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

How much less could Chilstrom care?


22 posted on 10/18/2012 9:34:24 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: marshmallow
The phallic worshipers started out pretending just wanted others to ignore what they did in their own homes and bedrooms. Now we're seeing what they had in mind all along. They want everyone else to not only be well aware of what they do in private, they're demanding that the everyone publicly recognize and approve of what they themselves said was their, "private behavior".

This has nothing to do with their "Civil Rights" or "Human Rights". It's a small percentage of the population demanding the to have their hideous and unnatural behavior accepted and approved of by the society at large in spite of the fact that the majority believe such folks are disgusting perverts deliberately mocking God through their behavior.

The fact that so many people see nothing wrong with giving in to their demands shows that Christ has already given this nation over to a reprobate mind. Of course, some of us knew that when King Barry was elected because only reprobates

23 posted on 10/18/2012 9:43:40 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin
The fact that so many people see nothing wrong with giving in to their demands shows that Christ has already given this nation over to a reprobate mind. Of course, some of us knew that when King Barry was elected...

Exactly. As others have said, the problem isn't the mediocrity sitting in the White House, its the 50% of Americans that didn't notice what a mediocrity he is.

There is a kind of corruption of the spirit that renders you incapable of distinguishing right from wrong and good from evil. Once it reaches critical mass in a society you have dark days ahead. And no way of knowing why.

24 posted on 10/18/2012 9:53:26 AM PDT by marron
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To: Charles Henrickson
As usual in these stories, the person described as “Lutheran” is really not. He’s ELCA.

Should be obvious since only the ELCA and NALC use the term "bishop"...but we can't expect the average newspaper reader to know the intricacies of ecclesial nomenclature.

25 posted on 10/18/2012 2:05:34 PM PDT by lightman (If the Patriarchate of the East held a state like the Vatican I would apply for political asylum.)
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To: marshmallow

With people like Rev. Herbert Chilstrom, working for him the devil is making his great last stand.


26 posted on 10/18/2012 6:25:58 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: ravenwolf

The Lutheran “Church” is a joke and their “bishops” have no authority because they broke away from God’s Pilgrim Church on Earth, hence, they no apostolic line of succession. There is one Holy Christian Church and that is the Catholic Church.


27 posted on 10/19/2012 9:19:15 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: ravenwolf

The Lutheran “Church” is a joke and their “bishops” have no authority because they broke away from God’s Pilgrim Church on Earth, hence, they have no apostolic line of succession. There is one Holy Christian Church and that is the Catholic Church.


28 posted on 10/19/2012 9:19:43 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

There is one Holy Christian Church and that is the Catholic Church.


I would think that if the Catholic church was a holy Christian Church every one of the Catholics, would have voted against Obama, as he is for same sex marriage which is an abomation but they did,nt. as for the other i have no argument except

As for the apostles i only recognize the twelve.


29 posted on 10/19/2012 5:16:50 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: ravenwolf

There is a major distinction in REAL CATHOLICS, and fallen away “Catholics” who attend Church once a year at Christmas, and never go to reconciliation. They do not follow the teachings of the faith and shouldn’t call themselves Catholic, because if you don’t abide by the teachings of the Catholic Church, you are no longer a Catholic. The Catholic Church has been putting up with disbelievers for the last 2,000 years. It’s not easy being Catholic. It’s not for wimps.


30 posted on 10/19/2012 9:51:51 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

It’s not for wimps.


I agree, any one who is willing to give their life for Christ is not a wimp, but of course that remains to be seen.

I can say that i am willing but when the time comes will i be the wimp or can i hold on to my faith through the ordeal?


31 posted on 10/20/2012 4:02:19 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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