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Jesus Loves Dinesh DíSouza, Too
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| Bart Gingerich
Posted on 10/21/2012 5:02:55 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Photo Credit: The Daily Beast
The conservative Christian community was shocked when World magazine broke a story about The Kings College president and cultural commentator Dinesh DSouza. According to the exposé, he was at a September 28th apologetics event where he introduced a Denise Odie Joseph II as his fiancee. This surprised attendees since D’Souza had been married to his wife, Dixie, for nearly 20 years. World alleged that he shared a hotel with his girlfriend, but defended himself to concerned conference organizers since nothing happened. California court records showed that he filed for divorce on October 4th, nearly a week after the confrontation. State law declares that there must be a six-month waiting period for divorce.
Dsouza fired back with his own comments in a Fox News editorial. Not only did he deny the charge that he shared a hotel room with his fiancee, but he also accused World editor and former Kings College provost Marvin Olasky of having a vendetta against DSouzas position as school president. DSouza complained Olasky vehemently opposed my candidacy and resigned from the provosts office in protest.
In a Christianity Today feature, DSouza tried to explain himself more explicitly to the evangelical world. I did not have any idea that it is seen as wrong in Christian circles to be engaged prior to being divorced even though separated, he confessed. The quotes also revealed quite a bit of self-rationalization: My purpose was to put our relationship on a legitimate and honorable foundation. I’m a college president at King’s and a public figure as a Christian apologist, and I thought it very important that any woman I appear with have a legitimate relationship with me. He also struggled to defend his reputation, declaring, It’s absolutely not the case that [pause]
Look, the issue here is that World is attributing to me an admission that I never madeis attributing to me a quotation that I never said. That to me is the problem
They are just claiming based upon my non-assertion that I did something that I didn’t do. Thanks to mainstream media attention, the entire situation entered soap-operatic levels of drama. A particularly vicious report indicates that Denise Joseph was formerly married herself.
Thus continues a sad situation that injures many. DSouzas decisions have hurt himself, his wife Dixie, his fiancee, his ministry, and everyone tied to the Kings College (this includes a current IRD staffer and a former IRD intern). How strange to Christian ears to hear that DSouza didnt know it was wrong in Christian circles to be engaged prior to being divorced even though separated. He says this to people involved with the FAMILY Research Council and Focus on the FAMILY. Mr. Olasky may have some vendetta against Mr. D’Sousa, but the improprieties and immoralities are pretty astounding.
In this situation, there seems to be a disconnect between public persona and personal piety, where one has to struggle against temptation and sin. There is always a great risk when one becomes a culture warrior first and foremost. For this breed, Christianity is a thing to be used–a thing that does not speak, invade, or intrude into one’s life. Instead, it functions. In short, Christianity becomes an idol. This squarely clashes with The Kings Colleges mission. DSouza has since resigned his post.
The example of DSouza highlights two important features of the church and the Christian life. First, there is a radical call to holiness, a standard to which the corporate Body of Christ keeps its members accountable. We see in the Epistle of St. James that teachers are held to a higher standard of accountability (often because of messes just like this). Read Mark 9:42-50. Our Savior gave fire-and-brimstone warnings about the destructiveness of sinit were a better thing to cut off a hand or pluck out an eye than to sin.
And what DSouza has done qualifies as sin, even in a liberal translation of biblical marriage. More traditional Christians believe that divorce is only an option in cases of adultery or abuse. However, IRD Fellow Alan Wisdom offered his very helpful commentary on the subject:
Even if one grants that divorce may be necessary in limited circumstances–very limited, if one takes Matthew 19/Mark 10 seriously–the priority up until the minute the divorce is final should be on seeking reconciliation with the spouse from whom one is separated. That’s why it is ALWAYS wrong to foreclose reconciliation by starting a new relationship while still married to another. Besides, relationships “on the rebound” are usually ill-fated, because they are typically a way to avoid dealing with the failings that caused the previous relationship to break up, leaving those unaddressed failings free to rear their ugly head again at a later time. The divorce rate for marriages that begin as adulterous affairs is 75 percent. Ultimately, our guide in all these matters is the love of Christ for his church, which is to be the model for our marriages. Christ always seeks reconciliation, until the very end. He never casts us aside for someone he likes better. We may separate ourselves from him, but he is always ready to take us back.
We must hope and pray for better things from Dinesh (whom I used to know years ago). And we should pray also for the young woman who is involved with him. She may have a low view of herself, thinking the best she can do is another woman’s husband. God has better plans for her too, we must believe.
For the second element to be mindful of, lets return to Alans statement: Christ always seeks reconciliation, until the very end. He never casts us aside for someone he likes better. We may separate ourselves from him, but he is always ready to take us back. This is good counsel for us in the Christian community, too. Remember the parable of the unforgiving servant in Matthew 18:21-35. We have been forgiven our debts; we must forgive our debtors. Our King has issued his servants a drastic call to mercy.
We need to seek proper reconciliation with D’SouzaI hope there can be repentance and correction from harmful error on his part and that the Church will continue to reach out to him and try to minister to him. This cannot happen if he clings to all-besetting, death-bringing sin or if Christians hurt by his actions do not extend the hand of forgiveness and peace. Thankfully, grace has a tendency to invade the lives of the offended and the offender, whether the two human parties want it to or not. I pray DSouza turns away and could find full fellowship once again. Its the Churchs job to embody Christ in our call to faithful holiness and in our extension of mercy.
TOPICS: Current Events; Evangelical Christian; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: dineshdsouza; divorce; dsouza
‘She was formerly married herself.’ I do not recall any prohibition against divorce in the Protestant churches.... How much of this has to do with that terrific film, 2012, and Obama and his ilk trying to do D’S in? The timing is very interesting.
posted on 10/21/2012 5:23:51 AM PDT
(does not suffer fools gladly)
RE: I do not recall any prohibition against divorce in the Protestant churches....
Protestants, in so far as they claim to believe Jesus and Obey Him, heed these words of His:
“Every one who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery.”
” I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.
Denesh got the old heave ho, while Dems can sail on through all kind of marital misdeeds (e.g. Bill Clinton)
This is probably White House orchestrated over the great movie 2016 and the book The Roots of Obama’s Rage
I hope the guy can secure a job. Maybe Romney’s press secretary?
Of all people, Dinesh should have seen this coming. Reminds me of Stupid Newt and the ethics charges.
posted on 10/21/2012 5:50:31 AM PDT
Articles like this bother me. Everything I have ever read about divorce rates has stated that the religious (generally speaking and probably self-identified) have divorce rates just as high as the general population. Get on a marriage thread here on FR, and the tales of divorce abound. How many of those people have any intention of remaining celibate until their dying day out of respect for their marriage vows? Now, all of the sudden, we're trotting out Bible verses condemning divorce. It's a little late for the outrage.
That said, D'inesh is an idiot. How he didn't realize this situation looks bad is beyond me.
posted on 10/21/2012 6:07:56 AM PDT
Speaking as one who has followed Christ for the last 30 years, 20 of which were spent in leadership in various Protestant churches - let me preface my remark - I do not recall any prohibitions or sanctions against divorce in the Protestant churches.
posted on 10/21/2012 6:08:53 AM PDT
(does not suffer fools gladly)
Just another hit piece because of his movie it’s a Saul Alinsky move.
posted on 10/21/2012 6:23:29 AM PDT
(Veritas vos Liberabit)
“Besides, relationships ‘on the rebound’ are usually ill-fated, because they are typically a way to avoid dealing with the failings that caused the previous relationship to break up, leaving those unaddressed failings free to rear their ugly head again at a later time.”
Being Catholic, I don’t accept the legitimacy of divorce. But putting that aside, this article seems to be missing something important:
1. It has been reported elsewhere that Mr. D’Souza’s marriage was on the rocks for some time when he took the job at King’s College in 2010. I believe that they actually physically separated at that time. I believe that Mrs. D’Souza didn’t come out to New York to live with Mr. D’Souza as he undertook his new job.
2. It is his wife, Dixie, who didn’t want to reconcile.
3. This marriage, apparently, has been over and done for quite some time, and the parties are only now getting around to tying up the loose ends, legally.
Thus, the above-quoted paragraph is particularly egregious, in that Mr. D’Souza has likely worked through many of the issues that led to the “failure” of his marriage. He has been separated (if not legally, at least in fact) for roughly two years. This isn’t quite the classic case of a “rebound relationship.”
posted on 10/21/2012 6:27:23 AM PDT
(If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
I agree with you that Dinesh’s marriage is his own business—but when you take on the Chicago Mob, there will be consequences. You have to know that going in.
posted on 10/21/2012 7:13:04 AM PDT
Now, if only they had a soiled cigar and blue dress...
All would be poo-poo’d as ‘nothing to see here...’
Oh yeah, I forgot, he needed that ‘D’ also!
To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...
Thanks SeekAndFind. Amazing how much attention is paid to the private life of this author of a bio of Obama. If he'd run against him, his divorce decree would have been published in the newspapers.
Dinesh D'Souza site:freerepublic.com
posted on 10/21/2012 8:11:42 AM PDT
Sorry but its not complete without saying how Jesus explained : Mk10-4...”And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put [her] away. v5 And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.”.. We’ve made divorce into a sin nearly as big as murder, when half of the people who are divorced did not want it but were forced into it. The woman at the well who was married and divorced many times and lived with several men was in no way criticised by Jesus....Even divorce is under the blood.....
posted on 10/21/2012 8:28:27 AM PDT
(telling the truth is a revolutionary act)
seeing as the protestant faiths have no rules against divorce, and the divorce proceedings themselves are between the couple and the STATE... I’m confused as to where the problem lies?
posted on 10/21/2012 8:36:26 AM PDT
(Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
How much of this has to do with that terrific film, 2012,
Was that a sequel or a prequel to 2016?
posted on 10/21/2012 8:51:00 AM PDT
by A.A. Cunningham
(Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
RE: seeing as the protestant faiths have no rules against divorce, and the divorce proceedings themselves are between the couple and the STATE... Im confused as to where the problem lies?
The issue is this — this is not your average protestant college that D’Souza heads. This is a conservative Evangelical College which adheres to certain interpretation and understanding of scripture.
The problem are these:
1) D’Souza IS NOT YET DIVORCED.
2) He introduced this new woman as his fiance while he is still legally married to his wife.
3) He stayed in a hotel room with this woman he is not married to.
4) He is the President of a conservative, Evangelical Christian College. He is expected to uphold the moral standards the college adhere’s to.
If he were the president of a secular college or even a more liberal “christian” college , this would probably not be an issue.
His personal defense is this :
“I had no idea that it is considered wrong in Christian circles to be engaged prior to being divorced, even though in a state of separation and in divorce proceedings. Obviously I would not have introduced Denise as my fiancé at a Christian apologetics conference if I had thought or known I was doing something wrong. But as a result of all this, and to avoid even the appearance of impropriety, Denise and I have decided to suspend our engagement.”
D’Souza also alleged that the article exposing his relationship was written because of a grievance from Marvin Olasky, the chief editor of World Magazine, who had previously resigned from his position as Provost of King’s College after D’Souza was chosen to be president over Olasky’s objections.
The trustees of The King’s College announced after meeting on October 17, 2012 that D’Souza resigned his position as president of the university in order “to attend to his personal and family needs”
D’Souza has denied that he stayed in the hotel room with the woman.
So either the other guy is lying or D’Souza is lying. I don’t know which one, is there some update I don’t know about?
posted on 10/21/2012 12:33:02 PM PDT
by little jeremiah
(Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
To: A.A. Cunningham
Duh, thanks for the correction. I am busy doing PR today and taking small breaks on FR. But evidently not paying much attention to details.
posted on 10/21/2012 1:01:14 PM PDT
(does not suffer fools gladly)
It's not divorce (separation) that's a sin, it's subsequent remarriage. In your quoting of Jesus, note that he said "... and marries another."
It's a hard saying.
posted on 10/21/2012 6:03:17 PM PDT
by Mrs. Don-o
("God bless the child that's got his own." Billie Holiday / Arthur Herzog Jr)
I do not recall any prohibition against divorce in the Protestant churches....
You evidently don't know conservative evangelical Protestant Christianity very well.
OF COURSE there are restrictions on divorce! The restrictions Jesus Himself gave, which were that it's only permitted in cases of adultery. (Matt. 19:1-11), "I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery." (Jesus in vs. 9)
Most Protestants also add St. Paul's allowance for divorce and remarriage in the case of permanent abandonment too ( I Corinthians 7:15). Otherwise the common "we've grown apart" reasoning (not involving adultery) of the modern American divorce-culture is seen--by conservative evangelical Protestants--as simply wrong.
My question to D'S would be, who in the world has given you pastoral counseling on this--and what have they said? He's either gotten NO pastoral guidance....or BAD pastoral guidance....in any case it is BAD pastoring!
The timing really is coincidental--as World Magazine (a news magazine by and for evangelical Christians) is extremely conservative (and thicker, these days than either Time or Newsweek!), and no one can ever accuse Marvin Olasky for being in favor of Obama.
posted on 10/21/2012 9:22:02 PM PDT
(because the real world is not digital...)
Please note - I am not saying Christ does not counsel against/ prohibit divorce. Or that it is not woven throughout the Bible. Nor I am not saying I went to counseling in the conservative Protestant/ Evangelical churches I attended and was in leadership in.
My pastors were very good men, very Biblical leaders, very well educationed, and I learned a tremendous amount about the Christian walk, about solid theology, about Jesus Christ.
You needn’t bother with the Scriptural references. I know that inside and out. I am only saying it was not taught/ emphasized from the pulpit.
posted on 10/23/2012 6:05:20 AM PDT
(does not suffer fools gladly)
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