Posted on 10/24/2012 3:30:46 PM PDT by NYer
Probably because they never learned that the Nazis were excommunicated en masse by the German Bishops in February 1931.
Also, Hitler and the Nazis came to power overwhelmingly on the votes of Protestants. Martin Luther tracts continued to be part of their propaganda.
How would I know how different denominations operate?
We know about Catholics because they make a lot of national posturing that gives people the impression that they are super conservative, the super pro-lifers, the super social conservatives, the super duper republicans, I thought that until about 4 years ago, I was shocked to learn about the permanent allegiance between the democrats and the voters that come out of Catholicism.
The Catholic denomination is a society, a culture of strong, European based authority in Rome, Catholic taught history and Catholic inculcated concepts of Americanism and government, Church schools, Saints, ceremony, everything, so they have more influence over their members than any other typical denomination, so when that produces a voting block that has proven almost impenetrable to conservatives, we have to start looking at it.
The vast category of non-catholic Americans who still claim some form of “Christian”, from Southern Baptist to lesbian loving whatevers, and militant black churches, still, when put together in a pot, make up collectively, voting that is always majority social conservative, pro-life, republican.
I thank God everyday for my new Archbishop (Chaput). However, stories like this one show me that the hierachy is still unwilling to accept the blame for their failure of leadership. How many times over the years did bishops and Cardinals suck up to pro-abort politicians? Back in 1980 and 1984 abortion could have successfully been exorcised from the Dem platform. Instead, we can all picture the Boston hierarchy hobnobbing with Kennedys Cardinals Cushing, Medeiros, Law, and finally O’Malley officiating at Ted’s funeral. The kind of talk we’re hearing from our Catholic leaders this election cycle would have had a much bigger impact 30 plus years ago. Now, through what is largely their own shortcomings, we Catholics just don’t respect these very fallible men in the same way we used to.
I heard the Eskimos didn't do enough to stop the holocaust either.
The Catholic/democrat votes didn’t match on Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan and Bush.
In general conservative Catholics vote against democrats, just as conservative non-Catholic or Protestant voters do. Liberals in both vote liberal. The key statistic in both is usually found in attendance, a metric of how serious they are about their Christian faith.
No, when Catholics vote for Obama by 54%, it is what they have NOT absorbed from the Catholic Church.
All that it takes to be counted among the Catholics is to have been baptized as an infant. I don't have any idea what the numbers in the last election were, but I can tell you with certainty, that the majority of votes cast by churchgoing Catholics were not for Obama. For sure, there were some third party votes and some abstentions, but most churchgoing Catholics did not go into that booth and pull the lever for Obama.
A.A. Cunningham, personal attacks is all you can post?
Post 30 made total sense, Fake military vets and fake baptized Catholics?
“”LOL, weird post, fake Navy SEALS and Army Special Forces, and telling a pollster that you are Catholic?
I know about fake military vets having busted more than a few, but I’m not aware of people faking having been baptized into the Catholic church.
I have never personally met a person falsely claiming to have been baptized into the Catholic church, or falsely claiming to be counted by the church as Catholic, as far as I know.
I think we can call yours and absurd post.””
Your posts indicate your expertise is limited to how Catholics operate then?
The vast category of non-catholic Americans who still claim some form of “Christian”…
How do they deal with the issue at hand, the one your posts indicate great concern about: what do they do commensurate with excommunication with their pro-abort politicians?
Exactly my thoughts. And I do like and respect my new Archbishop. I sent him an email of support (after he closed a bunch of Catholic schools) and he responded personally within a half hour. He's a good man. If he'd have been in Boston in the 70's and 80's, the Democratic party would be much different today.
But this kind of talk - this collegiality where he can blame Catholics in general and not his brother bishops (who bear much more of the blame) is very offputting.
I think that was partially lifted later on. If Catholics could not be members of the Party would be as marginalized as the Jews.
I pick up on the hostility, but other than that I don’t get your posts, you are posting on Catholics and I am posting on Catholics, on this Catholic thread about Catholics and abortion.
I also don’t know why you said that I am greatly concerned about “excommunication”, I don’t think I have even mentioned it.
I posted this.
“”How would I know how different denominations operate?
We know about Catholics because they make a lot of national posturing that gives people the impression that they are super conservative, the super pro-lifers, the super social conservatives, the super duper republicans, I thought that until about 4 years ago, I was shocked to learn about the permanent allegiance between the democrats and the voters that come out of Catholicism.
The Catholic denomination is a society, a culture of strong, European based authority in Rome, Catholic taught history and Catholic inculcated concepts of Americanism and government, Church schools, Saints, ceremony, everything, so they have more influence over their members than any other typical denomination, so when that produces a voting block that has proven almost impenetrable to conservatives, we have to start looking at it.
The vast category of non-catholic Americans who still claim some form of “Christian”, from Southern Baptist to lesbian loving whatevers, and militant black churches, still, when put together in a pot, make up collectively, voting that is always majority social conservative, pro-life, republican.””
Not at all, it means baptized Catholics, who identify themselves as members of the Catholic denomination and who are counted as such by the Roman Catholic church.
The catch-all category of "Protestant" doesn't represent any denomination, you can never have been in a church, or never baptized, and not even know what "Protestant" means, but if you say that you are a Christian, and aren't a baptized member of the Catholic church, then you go into the protestant pool of voters.
It’s an open thread - your church and other non-Catholics can be held accountable as well. I’m of course assuming you do attend a church.
If you weren’t concerned about the topic as regards Protestants and did not want to discuss it, I think it would have been more prudent not to reply to my question to begin with.
If one defines Protestant as one who protests against the Catholic Church, I think it fits most non-Catholic Christians. I think your posts would qualify.
If the definition is one whose faith and practice are founded on the principles of the Reformation, I think it fits most non-Catholic Christians as well.
Is there a Western Church that doesn’t fit one of these definitions in your view?
Gosh, do whatever you want, but you can’t ask me to explain each and every Christian denomination in America as you have tried to do.
I make my own posts, I’m not your personal guide to everything, you told me that Baptists do Communion, you want to know about abortion policy in regards to politicians and excommunication policy in, I guess, dozens of various denominations, if that interests you then look it up.
Not really.
We aren't sure, but we think that the Catholic vote went GOP in 1956, Catholics voted to reelect Eisenhower, reelect Nixon, reelect Reagan, reelect George W, they voted for Reagan's veep in 1988, and for the only time in history, voted against a democrat incumbent in 1980.
That is five or six times in history, while Protestants only voted democrat 3 times, 1932, 1936, and 1964. They were even voting against Roosevelt in 1940 and 1944.
I think the Catholic vote will go for the liberal republican this year, but I think that we are living in a temporary bubble, and that the Catholic vote will become forever democrat again, soon.
You could explain one. Yours would do.
I already posted on how pollsters in America categorize the protestant voter.
“”The catch-all category of “Protestant” doesn’t represent any denomination, you can never have been in a church, or never baptized, and not even know what “Protestant” means, but if you say that you are a Christian, and aren’t a baptized member of the Catholic church, then you go into the protestant pool of voters.””
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