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Dem Tries to Bully Bishop Into Shutting Up
Creative Minority Report ^ | October 25, 2012 | Matthew Archbold

Posted on 10/25/2012 1:45:31 PM PDT by NYer

This is rich. A Catholic Democrat state Senator decides the Church is wrong on issues such as abortion, euthanasia, same-sex "marriage" and embryonic stem cell research.

Then, not only does the "Catholic" politician say the Church is wrong, but he puts it out there that it may be illegal for the Church to talk about those issues precisely because they disagree with his political stances.
The San Francisco Gate:

A Democratic state senator says a letter meant for reading at North Dakota Roman Catholic church services is intended to support Republicans.

Fargo Sen. Tim Mathern says the letter could jeopardize the church's nonprofit status.

Mathern is Catholic. He says he's asked Bismarck Bishop David Kagan to withdraw the letter. Kagan oversees North Dakota's Catholic churches.

The letter says abortion, euthanasia, same-sex marriage and embryonic stem cell research is "never acceptable."

It doesn't name any candidate or political party. But it says "the positions of the two political parties and the positions of their candidates are well known" on those issues.
So to be clear, this punk dissents from Church teaching and now says the Church can't talk about those teachings because he dissents from them.

Mind you, according to this lunatic, the Church can continue being the Church but they just can't talk about those little issues like life, death, and family.

HT Pewsitter



TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholicvote; nd; religiousleft

1 posted on 10/25/2012 1:45:35 PM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 10/25/2012 1:46:50 PM PDT by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: NYer

Yep. He’s the state senator from my district and I know him personally. Amazing that so many Catholics do not understand or even want their own religion. They’d like to negotiate and turn the Church into some sort of democracy.


3 posted on 10/25/2012 1:52:42 PM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: NYer
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4 posted on 10/25/2012 1:55:49 PM PDT by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal! ,)
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To: MotorCityBuck
It's...... The Bishop!

[cue the theme from Peter Gunn]

-PJ

5 posted on 10/25/2012 1:58:03 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

Sad but true, the draft dodging, social justice commie inspired homosexual misfits infiltrated the Church in the 50-60’s and corrupted our youth.


6 posted on 10/25/2012 1:58:15 PM PDT by exPBRrat
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To: NYer; All

We need to put this radical prohibition of the church saying anything that might disagree with the government to bed once and for all. I believe it to be TOTALLY ILLEGAL.


7 posted on 10/25/2012 1:58:48 PM PDT by davisfh
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To: Political Junkie Too

LOL!! Classic.


8 posted on 10/25/2012 2:00:23 PM PDT by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal! ,)
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To: Darksheare

Isn’t this where he’s yelling, “Facebooooooood!”?


9 posted on 10/25/2012 2:02:16 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Now a hit television series starring Judi Dench!)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal
We need to return to the Gods of the Copybook Headings
10 posted on 10/25/2012 2:02:38 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer
From Boston Globe 11-14-09:

After Representative Kennedy of Rhode Island questioned why the church is vowing to fight any health care bill that does not explicitly ban the use of public money for abortions, Bishop Thomas J. Tobin of Providence fired back. Tobin called Kennedy’s support of abortion rights “a deliberate and obstinate act of will’’ that was “unacceptable to the church and scandalous to many of our members.’’

In a radio interview, Tobin went on to say, “If you freely choose to be a Catholic, it means you believe certain things, you do certain things. If you cannot do all of that in conscience, then you should perhaps feel free to go somewhere else.’’

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2009/11/14/patrick_kennedy_vs_the_church/

11 posted on 10/25/2012 2:02:44 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: MotorCityBuck
It's...... The Bishop!

That's awesome! I'm going to appropriate that photo for my own use!

12 posted on 10/25/2012 2:02:55 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: NYer

I hate fascist pigs.


13 posted on 10/25/2012 2:08:33 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are just useful idiots.)
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To: NYer
Mathern is Catholic

According to Catholic Culture, he's also a former seminarian.

14 posted on 10/25/2012 2:09:09 PM PDT by marshmallow (.)
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To: NYer

“Mathern is catholic.”

That’s like saying a person who bathes and doesn’t want to murder me is Muslim.


15 posted on 10/25/2012 2:13:54 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: NYer

Can we say excommunication is in this guys near future.


16 posted on 10/25/2012 2:15:08 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: marshmallow
Good thing his sorry carcass was removed from the seminary before he was ordained.
17 posted on 10/25/2012 2:18:35 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer
A Catholic Democrat

In general today this would be an oxymoron. Specifically, with this guy, there's no 'oxy', just 'moron'.

18 posted on 10/25/2012 2:22:24 PM PDT by tbpiper
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To: Alex Murphy

Appropriate away. :) Now I must go to YouTube to watch it! Always brings a smile to my face.


19 posted on 10/25/2012 2:41:25 PM PDT by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal! ,)
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To: ArrogantBustard
We don't need to return to them ...
We moved as the Spirit listed. They never altered their pace,
Being neither cloud nor wind-borne like the Gods of the Market Place,
But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come
That a tribe had been wiped off its icefield, or the lights had gone out in Rome.

20 posted on 10/25/2012 3:01:38 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring
This part has me a bit concerned:

And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!

21 posted on 10/25/2012 3:05:54 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Nope, doesn't bode well.

Strauss and Howe claim it cycles roughly every 75-80 years, plus-or-minus a decade or so.

Point yourself back 75-100 years and ask yourself if you're looking forward to repeating that.

22 posted on 10/25/2012 3:55:50 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: NYer
Well, excommunicate the CINO and continue to speak out against evil, Bishop Kagan. The way for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
23 posted on 10/25/2012 5:16:29 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: NYer
Maybe if Sen. Mathern were to get a personal visit from his parish priest and diocese bishop explaining what the Catholic Church's position is on members who presume to dictate to the Magesterium on issues of morality contrary to the stated dogmas, he might be persuaded to change his mind? We already know that in the last days perilous times will come and taking a stand for righteousness will become harder and harder and actually have a "cost". If more Christians were willing to stand up and, in unison, say, "bring it on", such bullies would think twice before making such dares.
24 posted on 10/25/2012 8:18:45 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums
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25 posted on 10/26/2012 12:52:03 AM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: ArrogantBustard

That’s the part I always liked.


26 posted on 10/26/2012 6:44:22 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Justice and judgment are the foundation of His throne." Psalm 89:14)
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To: NYer

The amendment to the US Tax Code to prohibit political speech from within a church was done by none other than then Senator LBJ. People mistakenly believe it’s in the Constitution. No it was simply a morally bankrupt corrupt parinoid U.S. Senator who’s bill made it law.


27 posted on 10/26/2012 7:25:51 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: marshmallow

Thank God he did not become a priest. Would that Luther had become as lawyer as his father wished.


28 posted on 10/26/2012 10:53:02 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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