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Russia’s War on Halloween
ABC News ^ | 10/26/12 | Kirit Radia

Posted on 10/27/2012 4:32:29 PM PDT by marshmallow

MOSCOW – While many in the U.S. bemoan what they see as a war on Christmas, in Russia a very different holiday is under attack: Halloween. Here some don’t see it as the holiday of tricks and treats, but as a sinister celebration that endangers children.

The latest salvo came from a group of Russian Orthodox Church leaders and a group of Cossacks, who are spearheading an effort to cancel Halloween celebrations in the region of Stavropol Krai, in southern Russia. A nearby region, Krasnodar Krai, recently prohibited celebrating the holiday in schools.

But why are the church and the Cossacks, the feared horseback defenders of the tsars, spooked by Halloween?

“I consider it absolutely unacceptable for certain reasons. Halloween celebrations have been imposed on us for 20 years, and we are perfectly aware of how it all looks: revelry, baboonish behavior and scoffing at death, and thus at the memory of our deceased loved ones, whom all of us certainly have” said Andrei Sakhno, a youth leader at the local diocese in Stavropol Krai, according to RIA Novosti.

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TOPICS: Orthodox Christian; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: cossacks; russia; russianorthodox
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1 posted on 10/27/2012 4:32:32 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Well ... I agree.


2 posted on 10/27/2012 4:37:18 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: marshmallow

When I was a kid, halloween was a day we had to worry about vandalism. I remember we just moved in to our new house right after Halloween and the front lawn was covered with toilet paper. It was all about the tricks, not the treats.


3 posted on 10/27/2012 4:38:06 PM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: marshmallow

Andrei and his comrades need to lighten up. Halloween is harmless fun.


4 posted on 10/27/2012 4:40:54 PM PDT by Joseph Harrolds
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To: marshmallow

I’m in total agreement. I’ve lived across the road from a quiet country cemetery for almost 20 years and every year it gets worse.

Just tonight we had three car loads of young adults dressed as witches taking pictures of themselves sitting around on tombstones.

Then there are the “paranormal investigators” and their blue lights and paranormal activity detectors. Sheesh. I’ve threatened for a long time to sit out there some night and either hand out Bibles or sell admission tickets and refreshments, but my husband won’t let me.


5 posted on 10/27/2012 4:41:15 PM PDT by Mrs. P (Figures can lie, and liars can figure.)
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To: marshmallow

I hate halloween. Would be glad to see this evil “holiday” die.


6 posted on 10/27/2012 4:42:35 PM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: knarf
Well ... I agree.

I too but for a few other reasons as well.

7 posted on 10/27/2012 4:45:10 PM PDT by Ron H. (America is drawing on its last breaths. Look to the heavens for He is nigh.)
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To: NoGrayZone

It’s Obama’s favorite holiday. Everyone demands their free phone otherwise you will get a ‘trick.’


8 posted on 10/27/2012 4:45:37 PM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: marshmallow

Just another fun part of being a kid ruined by loons on both sides.


9 posted on 10/27/2012 4:45:53 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: Mrs. P

Unhealthy fascination with the occult is growing, it seems to me.


10 posted on 10/27/2012 4:48:12 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Don't be afraid to see what you see. (Ronald Reagan))
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To: Joseph Harrolds; marshmallow
"Halloween is harmless fun."

Celebrating evil is harmless fun? Begging for candy, destroying property, allowing the evil weirdos their "time of day", giving the sluts a free pass to "let it all hang out" is harmless fun?

Hmmmm, your name is Joseph, so I can safely assume you are a man. Perhaps halloween is more about the sluts parading in their slutty costumes you consider harmless fun?

11 posted on 10/27/2012 4:50:50 PM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: marshmallow

12 posted on 10/27/2012 4:51:14 PM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: marshmallow

Halloween is one of my favorite holidays.


13 posted on 10/27/2012 4:51:56 PM PDT by Conservative4Ever (The Obamas = rude, crude and socially unacceptable)
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To: marshmallow

On one hand, they should lighten up and have a little fun. On the other hand, after all that country went through, and that Christianity has come back after decades of oppression, i don’t blame them.

They were at a national starting place very recently. If you were in their place, imagine looking over at the USA with almost pagan style death worship on TV, pop culture etc. Then look at how homosexuality is advanced and promoted everywhere. Then look at democrats at their convention screaming their rejection of God. Observe the way abortion is almost a celebrated sacrement on the left.
There are women who wear “i had an abortion” T shirts.

If you were them, you would never say, “hey, we should do things exactly the way they did.”

Their heart is in the right place. Giving up a few Snickers bars isn’t so awful.

At the heart of their resurgent nationalism is their looking at US and Europe, and seeing something they want to carefully avoid becoming.


14 posted on 10/27/2012 4:53:21 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: NoGrayZone

Well you are right... it does give women the open opp to dress like sluts. So there IS an upside lol :p


15 posted on 10/27/2012 4:55:09 PM PDT by Moleman
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To: marshmallow

The Gestapo doesn’t like ANYTHING that interferes with indoctrination. Halloween is imagination. They can’t have that! Some of our schools HERE are stopping Halloween celebrations. Halloween is a HUGE industry in America. Lots of candy and goodie sales.


17 posted on 10/27/2012 4:56:16 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Moleman

Lol.....and they do indeed!! =)


18 posted on 10/27/2012 4:58:18 PM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: marshmallow

The Russians, by and large, are a crazy lot. They neither have the equivalent, nor the appreciation and the understanding of the necessity for something like the First Amendment. As a result, they are destined to embrace dictatorships for the foreseeable future.

The fools want to protest this, but won’t dare utter a word against the mafia-run political morass which is the government of Russia - because they back these idiots in return.


19 posted on 10/27/2012 4:59:33 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

“Halloween is a HUGE industry in America.”

Yeah, especially for the house insurance companies in Detroit.


20 posted on 10/27/2012 4:59:55 PM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: Moleman

“Well you are right... it does give women the open opp to dress like sluts. So there IS an upside lol :p”

They get that same opportunity by starring in Obama’s latest campaign ads!


21 posted on 10/27/2012 5:02:04 PM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: marshmallow

I agree with the Russians on this one.


22 posted on 10/27/2012 5:07:42 PM PDT by Jemian
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To: NoGrayZone

“Celebrating evil is harmless fun? Begging for candy, destroying property, allowing the evil weirdos their “time of day”, giving the sluts a free pass to “let it all hang out” is harmless fun?”

As opposed to days like Christmas where we celebrate consumerism, begging for cheap Chinese junk, allowing weird customs that have nothing to do with Jesus, and attending gatherings where half of ones family hates the other?

It’s not a monolith. You make of it what you will. Doing away with it isnt going to make the bad people go away. They will still have their “fun” while the good people lose out.


23 posted on 10/27/2012 5:11:17 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: Joseph Harrolds

Yo, Joe. PM me your phone number, I’ll give you a little ringy-dingy every time a carload of morons wakes us up this weekend. Harmless fun.


24 posted on 10/27/2012 5:26:42 PM PDT by Mrs. P (Figures can lie, and liars can figure.)
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To: knarf

We celebrate Reformation Day. Martin Luther nailed his theses of 95 points on the church door. It is something that I would recommend reading, as much of the current church would scream about his points as well.

http://www.luther.de/en/95thesen.html

Halloween, much to do with evil and the dead, there is just too much that is contradictory to what is taught from the Bible.


25 posted on 10/27/2012 5:35:54 PM PDT by foundedonpurpose (It's time for a fundamental restoration, of our country's principles!)
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To: Jemian
I agree with the Russians on this one.

Yea, let's get the State to enforce what people can or cannot celebrate! [/sarc]

26 posted on 10/27/2012 5:37:09 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: VanDeKoik
As opposed to days like Christmas where we celebrate consumerism, begging for cheap Chinese junk, allowing weird customs that have nothing to do with Jesus, and attending gatherings where half of ones family hates the other?

Good point. Also the reason why suicide rates trend higher during that season.

27 posted on 10/27/2012 5:39:11 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: marshmallow

Not every “holiday” fits every culture.

There are plenty of people, Christians I think mostly, who don’t like Halloween in the U.S., either. I find it benign, but most of the people at my church don’t participate in it.


28 posted on 10/27/2012 5:46:20 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: foundedonpurpose

“We celebrate Reformation Day. Martin Luther nailed his theses of 95 points on the church door. It is something that I would recommend reading, as much of the current church would scream about his points as well.”

Excellent idea. I plan on attending a friend’s LCMS church tomorrow where they have a festival in honor of Reformation Sunday(the last Sunday in October.)


29 posted on 10/27/2012 5:51:10 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: foundedonpurpose
My sister lives in Virginia near some Halloween-hating Bible thumpers. Her fantasy is to get a sh*tbox car, plaster it with pagan bumper stickers (My other car is a broom, 668: Neighbor of the Beast, etc.) and ditch it in their church parking lot.

As for me, I'll be in Salem on the 'Eve, assuming the Frankenstorm holds off. That's Salem Massachusetts, Halloween Capital of the World.

30 posted on 10/27/2012 5:56:17 PM PDT by LiveFree99
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To: marshmallow

The problem they face is that Russian have a deep and rich vein of morbidity in their culture. Russians just adore scary stuff as much as many Americans do.

I remember with great amusement what happened when pirate copies of Michael Jackson’s ‘Thriller’ made it to the Soviet Union. The Kremlin was horrified because it was beyond their ken. They got a copy of the video and sent it to Pravda, with orders to write a scathing editorial denouncing it.

That was one of the most unintentionally funny movie reviews I have ever read. “It’s awful! It’s horrible! We watched it over and over again, and couldn’t stop! It is hypnotic! Do not watch it!”

The Kremlin then announced that Michael Jackson was forevermore banned from even setting foot in the Soviet Union. But two years after the fall of the Soviet Union, he put on a gigantic, American class concert in Moscow, with all the bells and whistles, that Russians still talk about.

In any event, since those times, a lot of the Russians 70 years of creative inhibitions have come bubbling out, and they have, for example, produced some world class horror movies like Night Watch.


31 posted on 10/27/2012 6:00:09 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: NoGrayZone
"Celebrating evil is harmless fun?"

"Evil"?  Please.  Ghosts, Spider-Man, and witches who can cast magical spells aren't real...and kids dressing up as them once a year is harmless, yes.

Begging for candy

If you don't like it, don't turn on your porch light.

destroying property

How many people who participate in Halloween destroy property?  0.01%?  I would speculate that the damage done by drunk drivers going home from Christmas parties is greater by several orders of magnitude.

allowing the evil weirdos their "time of day"

You've lost me on that one.  "Evil weirdos"?  Please explain.

giving the sluts a free pass to "let it all hang out" is harmless fun?

You bet it is.

Hmmmm, your name is Joseph, so I can safely assume you are a man. Perhaps halloween is more about the sluts parading in their slutty costumes you consider harmless fun?

It's certainly one of the more amusing aspects of it, as the above illustration, er, illustrates!

32 posted on 10/27/2012 6:07:06 PM PDT by Joseph Harrolds
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To: Joseph Harrolds
If you don't like it, don't turn on your porch light.

That doesn't always work, especially with the fifteen and sixteen year-old 'trick or treaters'; so don't forget to deploy the yellow 'crime scene' tape... :-)

33 posted on 10/27/2012 6:13:06 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Mrs. P
Yo, Joe. PM me your phone number, I’ll give you a little ringy-dingy every time a carload of morons wakes us up this weekend. Harmless fun.

I hear far more noise pollution from idiots setting off fireworks at 1 AM on the night of Independence Day than I do from Halloween celebrants.

34 posted on 10/27/2012 6:15:38 PM PDT by Joseph Harrolds
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To: Persevero
.... but most of the people at my church don’t participate in it.

Nor at mine thank goodness.

35 posted on 10/27/2012 6:19:09 PM PDT by Ron H. (America is drawing on its last breaths. Look to the heavens for He is nigh.)
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To: Persevero
There are plenty of people, Christians I think mostly, who don’t like Halloween in the U.S., either. I find it benign, but most of the people at my church don’t participate in it.

I get a kick out of the churches that observe Halloween but change the name to 'Jesus Night' or some such to emphasize the 'Christian' side of the holiday. 'It's for the children', after all...(rolling eyes)

36 posted on 10/27/2012 6:20:20 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: James C. Bennett

No, I do not agree with state enforcement. However, the celebration of Halloween is the celebration of Samhain, a false god. I cannot agree with that at all.

I have no problem with costumes or accepting candy and other treats from willing neighbors.


37 posted on 10/27/2012 6:20:20 PM PDT by Jemian
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To: LiveFree99

Enjoy your day.

For the record, I don’t hate All Hallows Eve, I just don’t participate.

I don’t think I’ve ever thumped my bible, yet I take it very seriously.

I think that we still live in a country where people can have differing opinions, yet still respect each others’ views.


38 posted on 10/27/2012 6:21:16 PM PDT by foundedonpurpose (It's time for a fundamental restoration, of our country's principles!)
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To: Joseph Harrolds
I hear far more noise pollution from idiots setting off fireworks at 1 AM on the night of Independence Day than I do from Halloween celebrants.

Man...you are NOT going to like 'Election Night' if Romney wins...

39 posted on 10/27/2012 6:22:22 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: NoGrayZone
Begging for candy...is harmless fun?

What did candy ever do to you?

40 posted on 10/27/2012 6:24:21 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: foundedonpurpose

Yes! The Five Solis.


41 posted on 10/27/2012 6:24:26 PM PDT by Jemian
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To: James C. Bennett

The State should have nothing to do with it.

I believe the article is from the viewpoint of the Russian Orthodox Church.


42 posted on 10/27/2012 6:35:25 PM PDT by foundedonpurpose (It's time for a fundamental restoration, of our country's principles!)
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To: James C. Bennett
Yea, let's get the State to enforce what people can or cannot celebrate! [/sarc]

Nobody can force you to celebrate or not to celebrate something. However the people, being the source of power in the country, have every right and opportunity to tell their hired help (such as the public schools) to not spend public money on things that the public considers unwelcome. There is only one little difference here. In the USA the public considers everything welcome - any abomination, that is, to the point that government officials fall all over themselves trying to out-tolerate each other. In Russia, as this news item demonstrates, when Cossacks and the Church speak the government listens. (As the photo illustrates, Cossacks are conservative and religious.)

43 posted on 10/27/2012 6:45:55 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: Joseph Harrolds
"How many people who participate in Halloween destroy property? 0.01%? "

What Halloween is like every year in Detroit.
44 posted on 10/27/2012 6:58:27 PM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: Joseph Harrolds
Here's another pic of Elvira.


At the gay pride parade in LA. Sorry.
45 posted on 10/27/2012 7:02:27 PM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: ari-freedom

Technically, most of the arson and other mischief in Detroit does not occur on Halloween but rather “Devil’s Night,” the night before Halloween. As if the local thugs need an excuse to run wild and cause destruction. Of course, some might consider torching old abandoned houses in Detroit to be an effective form of urban renewal.


46 posted on 10/27/2012 7:06:23 PM PDT by LiveFree99
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To: ari-freedom
What Halloween is like every year in Detroit.

Actually, the arsons in Detroit occur on Devil's Night, which is October 30th.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil%27s_Night

In 2010, there were 169 reported fires in Detroit on Oct. 30th.  Even if we attribute these to Halloween, compare that number to 170 million peaceful Halloween participants.  I'll stand by my 0.01% figure.

47 posted on 10/27/2012 7:22:11 PM PDT by Joseph Harrolds
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To: ari-freedom
Here's another pic of Elvira at the gay pride parade in LA. Sorry.

So if I post a picture of a sexy Halloween costume worn by someone who isn't featured in a gay pride parade, you'll agree with my point?


48 posted on 10/27/2012 7:23:59 PM PDT by Joseph Harrolds
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To: Greysard
 In Russia, as this news item demonstrates, when Cossacks and the Church speak the government listens.

LOL, don't be too gullible:

A Mending in Moscow?

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2009/april/6.16.html

EXCERPT

 

In January, the Russian Orthodox Church enthroned its first new patriarch since Soviet days. Kirill, who led external relations for the church for 20 years, succeeds Alexy II, who died in early December.
 
Many evangelical churches in Russia currently experience discrimination under unevenly applied laws. Non-Orthodox organizations are not permitted to offer religious education and sometimes have trouble registering with the government for a legal identity. (Some organizations refuse to register on principle.) Also, changes to visa laws in 2007 have affected missions in Russia by requiring foreigners to leave the country for 90 out of every 180 days.
 
Evangelicals in particular are struggling against the concept that non-Orthodox Christianity is foreign and even unpatriotic. William Yoder, spokesperson for the Union of Evangelical Christian-Baptists of Russia (RUECB), explained the popular conception of religion in Russia: "If you're Russian, you must be Orthodox. By the same equation, if you're Baptist, you must be an American."
 
"Technically, religious freedom for all groups is protected in the law. But there is often infringement of this at the local level—often, unfortunately, at the instigation of the Orthodox hierarchy," said Anita Deyneka, president of Russian Ministries. "Protestants and Catholics are treated as interlopers. From Kirill's past, I don't think it's likely that this is [going] to be reversed."
 
The 16th Moscow patriarch in the history of the church, Kirill has been described by Western media as a savvy, prominent, and even glamorous modernizer. However, he emphasized his own conservatism and that of the Russian Orthodox Church in the run-up to his election, asserting in speeches that "I speak out categorically against any reforms."
 

While some consider Kirill the most independent of the candidates for patriarch, most assume he will have a close relationship with Russia's political leaders, even if he helps his church regain some autonomy.

"The state pretty much has the upper hand," said Felix Corley, editor of Forum 18 News, a religious freedom watchdog. "The Russian Orthodox Church cannot make the state do anything the state does not already want to do."

 

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Like I said earlier, the Russians lack the capacity to understand or value the importance of something like the First Amendment. They are culturally inclined to be under an iron fist, and you will continue to see this for the foreseable future. The Orthodox Church is implicit in fostering this attitude.

 


49 posted on 10/27/2012 7:31:53 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Jemian
However, the celebration of Halloween is the celebration of Samhain, a false god. I cannot agree with that at all.

True, but you have no (zero, zip, nada) rights to stop others from doing so (celebrating Samhain or whatever other mythological figure).

50 posted on 10/27/2012 7:35:56 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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